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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On December 09 2015 07:05 Ysellian wrote:
England are closer to losing their spot than Germany. Gladbach performance may have been poor, but the impact of West Ham and Southampton not even qualifying for the Europa league has a more detrimental effect.
Whilst that is true, with Tottenham Liverpool and Yanited in the last 32 of Europa League i am sure we will claw points back by one of those teams getting to at least the semi final. Where as the German teams in said competition won't do that and the Italian teams also are not going to be doing that. Take Juventus away and Italy don't have anything again.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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On December 09 2015 17:52 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2015 07:05 Ysellian wrote:
England are closer to losing their spot than Germany. Gladbach performance may have been poor, but the impact of West Ham and Southampton not even qualifying for the Europa league has a more detrimental effect. Whilst that is true, with Tottenham Liverpool and Yanited in the last 32 of Europa League i am sure we will claw points back by one of those teams getting to at least the semi final. Where as the German teams in said competition won't do that and the Italian teams also are not going to be doing that. Take Juventus away and Italy don't have anything again.
You think Dortmund and Schalke are not capable of reaching the semifinals of the EL? Or Leverkusen, if they go down that road?
Even Gladbach could have done it, they are arguably a better team than Sevilla this season. Which is why that was a big loss for the German coefficient yesterday. Places 2-4 are up for grabs, so it will be interesting to see the latter stages of the EL.
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On December 09 2015 17:52 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2015 07:05 Ysellian wrote:
England are closer to losing their spot than Germany. Gladbach performance may have been poor, but the impact of West Ham and Southampton not even qualifying for the Europa league has a more detrimental effect. Whilst that is true, with Tottenham Liverpool and Yanited in the last 32 of Europa League i am sure we will claw points back by one of those teams getting to at least the semi final. Where as the German teams in said competition won't do that and the Italian teams also are not going to be doing that. Take Juventus away and Italy don't have anything again.
Those 3 teams are easily worse this season than Dortmund, Napoli and Fiorentina also I wouldn't write off Schalke.
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Dortmund hit the woodwork three times in Krasnodar but somehow didn't score, which put them behind in h2h. If you are basing their chances on that you might be in for a surprise.
Also first place in EL is much less important than in CL, it means almost nothing for the next round.
That said, the Europa League is pretty tough and there are no guarantees for any team in it to go far.
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On December 09 2015 19:35 Maenander wrote:
Dortmund hit the woodwork three times in Krasnodar but somehow didn't score, which put them behind in h2h. If you are basing their chances on that you might be in for a surprise.
Also first place in EL is much less important than in CL, it means almost nothing for the next round.
That said, the Europa League is pretty tough and there are no guarantees for any team in it to go far.
I doubt. 1st EL vs 3rd EL in next group. 2nd EL is playing against 3rd CL. I would say 3rd place in EL group has a easier opponent than 2nd EL in next round. Sadly BvB has no chance anymore to be 3rd.
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On December 09 2015 20:00 Dingodile wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2015 19:35 Maenander wrote:
Dortmund hit the woodwork three times in Krasnodar but somehow didn't score, which put them behind in h2h. If you are basing their chances on that you might be in for a surprise.
Also first place in EL is much less important than in CL, it means almost nothing for the next round.
That said, the Europa League is pretty tough and there are no guarantees for any team in it to go far. I doubt. 1st EL vs 3rd EL in next group. 2nd EL is playing against 3rd CL. I would say 3rd place in EL group has a easier opponent than 2nd EL in next round. Sadly BvB has no chance anymore to be 3rd.
The "best" 3rd place teams from the CL get seeded, the others not. There is not much of a difference between them.
Liverpool and Roma were unseeded last year, for example, and played against group winners.
Also, the EL groups are vastly different in strength, so 1st place teams aren't necessarily that good. On the other hand teams like Sevilla, Tottenham or Wolfsburg were runner-up last year.
And it's a RO32, not a RO16, plenty of games still ahead.
So while getting 1st in the CL group is crucial to avoid the big guns in the first round, I don't see how the same is true for EL. It gives a slight advantage, but it's not essential.
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On December 09 2015 20:00 Dingodile wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2015 19:35 Maenander wrote:
Dortmund hit the woodwork three times in Krasnodar but somehow didn't score, which put them behind in h2h. If you are basing their chances on that you might be in for a surprise.
Also first place in EL is much less important than in CL, it means almost nothing for the next round.
That said, the Europa League is pretty tough and there are no guarantees for any team in it to go far. I doubt. 1st EL vs 3rd EL in next group. 2nd EL is playing against 3rd CL. I would say 3rd place in EL group has a easier opponent than 2nd EL in next round. Sadly BvB has no chance anymore to be 3rd.
There are no 3rd place teams advancing in the EL, 12x group 1st, 12x group 2nd, 8 CL group 3rd.
In the draw for the round of 32, the twelve group winners and the four third-placed teams from the Champions League group stage with the better group records are seeded, and the twelve group runners-up and the other four third-placed teams from the Champions League group stage are unseeded. The seeded teams are drawn against the unseeded teams, with the seeded teams hosting the second leg. Teams from the same group or the same association cannot be drawn against each other.
@Maenander
Its not as important as it is in the Champions League that is true, but the possible opponents for group second will still be significantly stronger than if you finish first, United/Sevilla as examples.
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On December 09 2015 20:23 sneirac wrote:
@Maenander
Its not as important as it is in the Champions League that is true, but the possible opponents for group second will still be significantly stronger than if you finish first, United/Sevilla as examples.
Yeah, maybe I am overstating things, but last year pot 1 and pot 2 were virtually indistinguishable with respect to playing strength.
Europa League pot 1 teams 2014/15:
Gladbach, Club Brugge, Besiktas, Red Bull Salzburg, Dinamo Moscow, Inter, Feyenoord, Everton, Napoli, Dynamo Kyiv, Fiorentina, Legia Warsaw, Olympiakos, Sporting, Bilbao, Zenit
Pot 2 teams:
Villarreal, Torino, Tottenham, Celtic, PSV, Dnipro, Sevilla, Wolfsburg, Young Boys, AaB, Guingamp, Trabzonspor,Liverpool, Roma, Ajax, Anderlecht
Both finalists came from pot 2.
But maybe it will be different this year 
On December 09 2015 20:30 Pandemona wrote:Dortmund are not just 2nd because they lost a 1 off game though, they lost 1-0 away and won 2-1 at home. Drew 1-1 against Panathaniokas as well. Whilst i get what your saying they have conceded goals and not looked good in Europe from what i have seen. The wins dont make me think they could even beat Liverpool as an example. Wouldn't mind seeing that either, Klopp vs Dortmund 
Fair enough. And Klopp vs Dortmund would be loads of fun :D
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Sevilla is sucking this season, but they are going to play Europa League, their favourite tournament xDDD
- Cristiano goals this season (21): Espanyol (5) Shaktar (5) Malmo (6) Getafe (1) Eibar (1) Las Palmas (1) Levante (1) Celta (1)
- But he didn't score against Barcelona, Atletico, Athletic, PSG x2, Sevilla and others.
Maybe he could help his team in a important match against a big team some day.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Barcas home away kits tend to be as ridiculous as their home home kits are iconic.
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Germany3128 Posts
Gent woohoo. And Chicharito
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Gent advancing would be so cool.
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Netherlands13554 Posts
On December 10 2015 04:53 Mafe wrote:
Barcas home away kits tend to be as ridiculous as their home home kits are iconic.
I don't really mind their away kits actually. Barça playing lots of youngsters!
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Norway28736 Posts
chelsea up 1-0 in a crucial champions league match
mourinho of the past would never lose this, how about now? xD
fun game also. as long as kiev beats maccabi, and they will, then porto is out unless they win and chelsea wins the group unless they lose (in which case they are out)
if kiev somehow didn't beat maccabi, then porto would be #1 with a draw in this game. But I do think I might switch to arsenal if that keeps being a 1 goal lead ;p
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can't believe both leverkusen and barca have 70% pass accuracy. More like 40% each from watching this.
rofl chicharito with some high quality boxing.
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Dinamo Zagreb holding pretty well against Bayern tonight.
Two big chances missed in first half.
Bayern with mixed squad tho.
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