EPTChampions League & Europa League 2015-16 Thread - Page 128
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Dante08
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On May 06 2016 17:10 Maenander wrote: Liverpool under Klopp drop more points against the small teams than against the big guns. It's hilarious when people point out that they crushed the 4th in Spain and therefore PL is superior, when they did the same and worse to the 4th in England. Liverpool, currently 7th placed in Premier League, have the worst centre backs in the league imo, i mean when Kolo Toure can play and keep clean sheets vs teams its beyond me. They are mid table team in England simple, but its Europa league they are going to walk that competition. 4th place in England is Man City who 3-1 Sevilla home and away in Champs league, Liverpool beat City after losing the cup final to them so xd | ||
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Pandemona
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Atletico Madrid / Real Madrid and Barca in champions league of course is a different story. They are respected and good sides, but Sevilla aint, nor Villareal or Bilbao or Valencia these sides are bang average. | ||
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haitike
Spain2744 Posts
Anyway, I think Villareal is better team that what they showed yesterday. I have watched them a lot this season, and last night it was one of their worst performances. They are better than Sevilla in my opinion, Sevilla is very irregular this season. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28910 Posts
What maenander posts is a large part of my thinking though; Liverpool actually does have a fairly high peak level. They've been killed by their inconsistency, but if you judge them solely by the best games they've played this season, they're a 'right below top tier' team - which is good enough to have a legit chance against Sevilla. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
There is no end to the argument between leagues so when people mention it i go stupid with them :D Final should be ok, but i don't know. Champs League final has chance to be crap, but La Decima champs league final was very good | ||
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On May 06 2016 19:54 haitike wrote: Liverpool was clearly superior to Villareal in the playoff. Blaming referees is a looser thing. Anyway, I think Villarreal is better team that what they showed yesterday. I have watched them a lot this season, and last night it was one of their worst performances. They are better than Sevilla in my opinion, Sevilla is very irregular this season. Yes they were superior. But Villarreal didn't really need to win or to be the better team. A loss by 1 goal was totaly fine for them. At 2-0 the referee showed weak second yellow, in contrast to the standart he set for the first 70 minutes of the game. He allowed all kinds of bullshit and all of a sudden red card. OK. Then he didn't give penalty for obvious foul directly in front of him. Liverpool in the final is much more preferable for UEFA than Villarreal in the final, no doubts about that. Can't see how stating what happened is a looser thing. Sweeping issues under the rug is the winner thing now ? | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
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On May 06 2016 21:09 mahrgell wrote: Is it possible not to blame any ref mistake (independent from if it was one or not...) on some weird UEFA conspiracy. I thought this was some Portuguese thing, but it seems to be trending everywhere lately. What ever happened to Gizmo eh  | ||
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sharkie
Austria18761 Posts
On May 06 2016 20:47 Pr0wler wrote: Yes they were superior. But Villarreal didn't really need to win or to be the better team. A loss by 1 goal was totaly fine for them. At 2-0 the referee showed weak second yellow, in contrast to the standart he set for the first 70 minutes of the game. He allowed all kinds of bullshit and all of a sudden red card. OK. Then he didn't give penalty for obvious foul directly in front of him. Liverpool in the final is much more preferable for UEFA than Villarreal in the final, no doubts about that. Can't see how stating what happened is a looser thing. Sweeping issues under the rug is the winner thing now ? pretty sure UEFA would have rather wanted dortmund vs liverpool in the final than anything else Why didn't they rig the brackets in order to get that? | ||
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haitike
Spain2744 Posts
If referees were rigged for "more money for UEFA" we would see Bayern/Madrid vs Barcelona in CL finals, and they don't happen. Atleti would not be in 2 CL finals. | ||
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sneirac
Germany3464 Posts
On May 06 2016 21:43 Pr0wler wrote: I don't know guys, there is a reason why FIFA and UEFA refuse to use any kind of technology to help the referees. NHL uses video replays since fucking 1991... Think about that. It's just to easy to say "well he didn't see it, shit happens" or my favorite "well he is human after all" and then pretend that everything was fine. Too many mistakes lately and I'm sick of that. The NHL has also had breaks in play and TV timeouts forever. If the way to implement video refereeing into football involves a stopping clock then I prefer ref mistakes. Also please watch the last Superbowl just to see how much bullshit still can happen even with video review. | ||
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aseq
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mahrgell
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Personal fouls, unsportsmanlike conduct: Here it would be easy. If the play is whistled down, have the video ref decide, done. If the play has not been whistled (cuz ref missed it, whatever), ust have the videoref look at it, if he decides there was an unsportsmanlike conduct, let him tell it to the main ref, and he gives the red at the next opportunity. So yes, Huth and Fellaini may have played 2 more minutes, but they would still have been sent showering then. Offsides: In general this would have to be handled as in the NHL When a goal is scored, the linesman has not called it offside but an offside directly before it is suspected, have the video ref checking it and potentially overrule the decision on the field. As there is a short downtime anyway, this is easily possible. Only overruling offsides directly leading to goals makes sense, anything else would completely destroy the flow of the game. Sadly it does not work in the other direction. If the linesman calls an offside, the play is dead. Even if his decision was wrong, you can't take it back, as his call obviously causes the defenders/goalies to stop the play. There is no point in having the play continue for 10 seconds after every ofside call in case a goal is scored after it and then hoping to overturn the call. So deal with it. The play is dead. Bad luck Goals: The same happens with goals. Goal is scored, but only happened due to a foul directly before it -> have it checked. But if a foul is called, play is dead, no matter if it was one or not, and any potential chance is gone. Penalties: This is probably the trickiest one. If a penalty is called, review it, done. If you are not sure if it was inside or outside the box, review it, done. But what if no penalty is called, but one is suspected? If the play ended right away you could review it. But if the play continues, you can't just whistle it down for the lolz. So you probably would end with "not given penalties are not reviewable" In the end all this would probably be possible. At least for unsportsmanlike conduct it would really help the game and drastically reduce those hidden off-the-ball fouls. But for the other cases it is way more difficult. That overall is pretty much like it is done in the NHL, but the refs there have a much stronger position than footie refs. And what you really don't want to happen is that refs are pushed into just not calling offsides and fouls, and calling pens all the time, just so they can video review it and overturn it in case they were wrong. Because if they would err to the other side, there would be no chance to get a videoreview. But you all know, how the first coaches interview after a game would go. "Damn ref, if he wasnt sure, he should have just called that penalty, and then videochecked it. Instead he didn't whistle it down and clearly robbed us a penalty" And then Portugal and the entire TL forum goes: "Damn UEFA conspiracy, they are doing everything to have their prefered teams win" No, please, No. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On May 06 2016 22:54 mahrgell wrote: But for the other cases it is way more difficult. That overall is pretty much like it is done in the NHL, but the refs there have a much stronger position than footie refs. And what you really don't want to happen is that refs are pushed into just not calling offsides and fouls, and calling pens all the time, just so they can video review it and overturn it in case they were wrong. Because if they would err to the other side, there would be no chance to get a videoreview. But you all know, how the first coaches interview after a game would go. "Damn ref, if he wasnt sure, he should have just called that penalty, and then videochecked it. Instead he didn't whistle it down and clearly robbed us a penalty" And then Portugal and the entire TL forum goes: "Damn UEFA conspiracy, they are doing everything to have their prefered teams win" No, please, No. Its the same in NBA. Err heavily on the side you can pull the game back on if you arent sure. It doesnt make a big difference since the game is pretty stop start anyway but Im not so sure it would be that useful in footy. There is room for it but you have to ease it in, in a very controlled manner. More than video what really needs to change is the culture on how certain things are tolerated. | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
It should not matter, if this yellow in the 20th minute is leading to a red, or if it causes a suspension from the next game. If it was yellowworthy, give him the yellow. And it should not need outright murder in an elimination game, to get a penalty called in the first 30 minutes, just because "this would influence the game heavily". And if you punch someone in the face, a couple of million people on their TV saw it and only the ref missed it... You should have more than just a 10% chance of getting suspended after the game. All this refswarming and complaining could be stopped... If anyone but the designated captain complains -> yellow. This would lead to some situations in the first few months, but then you can be sure players would have learned it. NHL handles this damn well. Also you could take a look at the NHL for their stance towards dives and embellishment. First of all, it always causes a penalty fee for the player(rising every time you are fined...), and secondly their interpretation is much harsher... In footie, you can only get penalized for acting when not getting fouled. In hockey you can actually get penalized for overacting even when getting fouled. So if you start a Neymarian 2m triple salto and then roll on for 15 metres, it does not matter if he touched your toe... You may get the freekick. But also a yellow. | ||
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nojok
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