EPTSo Barca supports criminals?
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sharkie
Austria18762 Posts
So Barca supports criminals? | ||
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warding
Portugal2397 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On July 07 2016 00:30 warding wrote: I don't understand how this can happen to someone with an annual salary in the 7 figures. Does he not have people with deep experience and knowledge of fiscal matters managing his wealth? Is it that he simply delegated those matters to his father? I think the problem is exactly that they have people with deep experience and knowledge of fiscal matter managing their wealth. And yeah I dont know how culture works everywhere else but having your dad do that for someone like Messi who has had his affairs managed all his life is not unusual. Then again ignorance is not really a good defense. And this frankly applies to athletes everywhere. Its your money learn to use it. | ||
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Zinnwaldite
Norway1567 Posts
On July 06 2016 23:21 evilfatsh1t wrote: i dont see how 22 is a 'late bloomer' only if youre ronaldo or messi is 22 a late bloomer True. I thought he was older than that, probably because he always looked like he was 40. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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Dingodile
4139 Posts
On July 07 2016 00:30 warding wrote: I don't understand how this can happen to someone with an annual salary in the 7 figures. Does he not have people with deep experience and knowledge of fiscal matters managing his wealth? Is it that he simply delegated those matters to his father? theory: Messi only has tax accountants but they messed up with messi's money (messi never cared about shelters or tax tricks). This still means Messi is in trial and not his accountants, correct? | ||
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warding
Portugal2397 Posts
On July 07 2016 00:32 Rebs wrote: I think the problem is exactly that they have people with deep experience and knowledge of fiscal matter managing their wealth. And yeah I dont know how culture works everywhere else but having your dad do that for someone like Messi who has had his affairs managed all his life is not unusual. Then again ignorance is not really a good defense. And this frankly applies to athletes everywhere. Its your money learn to use it. I'm not an expert but if you have qualified financial advisors managing your wealth and you do not order them to do something illegal then if something fishy indeed happens your liability is limited. If you do hire these people they should strongly advise you against illegal tax evasion. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On July 07 2016 01:37 warding wrote: I'm not an expert but if you have qualified financial advisors managing your wealth and you do not order them to do something illegal then if something fishy indeed happens your liability is limited. If you do hire these people they should strongly advise you against illegal tax evasion. Nope Ignorance is not a legal defense. You still have to sign off on it, its your name on the papers. Not the lawyers. You could have a POA for the lawyers but its still your liability. You can later go on and sue your own advisers separately but thats not the tax collectors problem. Also qualified financial experts is a very loose term. | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
On July 07 2016 01:43 Rebs wrote: Nope Ignorance is not a legal defense. You still have to sign off on it, its your name on the papers. Not the lawyers. You could have a POA for the lawyers but its still your liability. You can later go on and sue your own advisers separately but thats not the tax collectors problem. Also qualified financial experts is a very loose term. what if you were illiterate? u obviously couldnt read the contracts urself and just have to trust people who explain it to you, how would a defense like that work out? | ||
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sharkie
Austria18762 Posts
On July 07 2016 03:06 zev318 wrote: what if you were illiterate? u obviously couldnt read the contracts urself and just have to trust people who explain it to you, how would a defense like that work out? If you don't know what you sign, don't sign it... | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On July 07 2016 03:06 zev318 wrote: what if you were illiterate? u obviously couldnt read the contracts urself and just have to trust people who explain it to you, how would a defense like that work out? Messi is not illiterate, so I dont see the need to get into those hypothetical. If you are not literate you wont be signing it anyway. Dont get me wrong, the prosecutor was being a complete Asshole because the exection of this case is inconsistent with their behaviour before, especially when Madrid players have been caught doing it. But the law is the law. What they really should do is pressure everyone else that is doing the same thing. Its rather obvious that Messi is getting boned because of political faggery. Everyone else who did it just payed the fine and back taxes and done. In Messis case they kept trying to bone him till he said enough is enough and it went to court so he could take the slap on the wrist and a criminal record. | ||
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warding
Portugal2397 Posts
On July 07 2016 01:43 Rebs wrote: Nope Ignorance is not a legal defense. You still have to sign off on it, its your name on the papers. Not the lawyers. You could have a POA for the lawyers but its still your liability. You can later go on and sue your own advisers separately but thats not the tax collectors problem. Also qualified financial experts is a very loose term. I assume it depends on the country but in Portugal, which I assume is similar to Spain, if you earn that much you will have a certified accounting firm signing off on your shit and providing fiscal advice. You'll also have lawyers. If you don't instruct these people to engage in illegal fuckery and they do then I believe they're the ones mostly liable. If you are their client and decide yourself that you want to engage in fuckery then any such firm worth their salt should strongly advise against and/or remove themselves from the equation. Or maybe I just understand the world wrong. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On July 07 2016 06:14 warding wrote: I assume it depends on the country but in Portugal, which I assume is similar to Spain, if you earn that much you will have a certified accounting firm signing off on your shit and providing fiscal advice. You'll also have lawyers. If you don't instruct these people to engage in illegal fuckery and they do then I believe they're the ones mostly liable. If you are their client and decide yourself that you want to engage in fuckery then any such firm worth their salt should strongly advise against and/or remove themselves from the equation. Or maybe I just understand the world wrong. There are plenty of firms that will advise you to engage in fuckery and you could know it or you couldnt. Its very likely his Dad is guilty possibly and may have known about the consequences and brushd it off as an "everybody does it" sort of way. But no firm with their salt will engage if fucker advised or otherwise and take the laibility either. The onus is still on the person being advised to ensure they are being advised properly. Bottom line is he didnt file that shit himself so someone knew he was doing it wrong, instructed or otherwise doesnt matter. He is still liable. | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
On July 07 2016 01:08 DucK- wrote: I'm not familiar with tax laws abroad. Why bother with giving a prison sentence when there's no need to serve it? Am I right to interpret this as that Messi has 2 options: 1) pay the fine, 2) go to jail As income tax (and most tax for that matter) is often voluntarily declared by tax payer (the tax authority will only come in when there's doubt), this will only encourage people from evading tax as much as they can until they get caught. Also the investigation process usually takes up a lot of time and money. The Messi situation is very debatable and each side is right in its own way. Personally I don't think Messi should go to jail (lol), his dad definitely deserves it though. | ||
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Deleted User 26513
2376 Posts
Anyways... Three players of FC Barcelona are proven criminals. More than a club, huh ? | ||
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
On July 07 2016 08:02 Pr0wler wrote: Funny. 4,1 milion euro in taxes avoided and he gets 21 months... I wonder what will happen ot me, if I don't pay 4 million euro in taxes. Will I get away with just suspended sentence ? Anyways... Three players of FC Barcelona are proven criminals. More than a club, huh ? Those bastard trying to keep the money they earned. They should rot in jail. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6323 Posts
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
On July 07 2016 13:12 GoTuNk! wrote: Those bastard trying to keep the money they earned. They should rot in jail. Yeah man, we're all idiots because we pay taxes. What has Spain or it's people ever done for Messi? | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7427 Posts
On July 07 2016 16:13 zeo wrote: Yeah man, we're all idiots because we pay taxes. What has Spain or it's people ever done for Messi? Dude, but they need the money way more than the rest of the ppl. How else would they get food on their golden tables? How would they put gas in their 1000 HP cars? Poor guys... | ||
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