On January 27 2015 13:21 Jaaaaasper wrote: To further support my theory that the nfl really didn't want this out in the open, the ball attendant who was thought to be taking the balls towards the field, took them into the bathroom for 90 seconds, both the pats and the colt balls. This is why the nfl or any other organization doesn't want the media involved in shit like this.
If the guy could remove, deflate, and replace 11 balls in 90 seconds, that's mighty impressive. Doesn't rule out that something weird happened, but that sounds like the dude went to take a leak.
Get it down exactly 2 PSI as well, pretty sure this is the wrong tree to bark up. The NFL being thorough is good, especially after the Ray Rice incident.
Kraft is upset that this is playing out in public before the investigations completion. Which is understandable when you just spent years "washing the mud off the ship".
On January 27 2015 13:27 Slaughter wrote: Lol Kraft has come out and said the NFL owes them an apology if they can't find anything. The whole Pats org just throwing up the middle finger at the NFL.
Why does the NFL owe them an apology? The NFL has done nothing but open an investigation.
The investigation is fine. The endless anonymous leaks to the media are not. The Patriots are having their name and reputation dragged through the mud by these tips, and given their content they surely came from sources closes to the investigation. The way Kraft worded his statement, he obviously meant to chastise the NFL for their leaky ship. Guilty or not, any party accused of a serious rule infringement deserves a full investigation before the rocks are thrown.
Except that A) The Patriots only recently washed the mud off of their name and reputation and B) The media is going to throw rocks whether the NFL has a leaky ship or not. Kraft is just being a blowhard, the NFL has every right to investigate this case and they don't owe him a damn thing even if they come back clean. That should be apology enough.
That the NFL told anyone from the beginning that an investigation into whether or not the Patriots deflated footballs is the problem. I think that Kraft thinks that the news leaked from NFL officials, not from the Colts or Ravens. An investigation should have happened behind closed doors, and if nothing had been found, then there would never have been reputational damage for the Patriots. That they just recently washed the mud from their name is only more reason for Kraft to be pissed off.
Pretty sure Kraft is pissed because he probably just greased Goodell's wheels right before the game at his house. Now he's catching static right after.
On January 27 2015 13:21 Jaaaaasper wrote: To further support my theory that the nfl really didn't want this out in the open, the ball attendant who was thought to be taking the balls towards the field, took them into the bathroom for 90 seconds, both the pats and the colt balls. This is why the nfl or any other organization doesn't want the media involved in shit like this.
If the guy could remove, deflate, and replace 11 balls in 90 seconds, that's mighty impressive. Doesn't rule out that something weird happened, but that sounds like the dude went to take a leak.
Get it down exactly 2 PSI as well, pretty sure this is the wrong tree to bark up. The NFL being thorough is good, especially after the Ray Rice incident.
Kraft is upset that this is playing out in public before the investigations completion. Which is understandable when you just spent years "washing the mud off the ship".
Some guys just rub their balls in the bathroom much faster. Must be practice.
This scandal is just a gift from heaven for headline writers. The puns are endless.
On January 27 2015 13:27 Slaughter wrote: Lol Kraft has come out and said the NFL owes them an apology if they can't find anything. The whole Pats org just throwing up the middle finger at the NFL.
Why does the NFL owe them an apology? The NFL has done nothing but open an investigation.
Well having the patriot players interviewed by the NFL investigators which resulted this witchhunt while they are trying to prepare for the biggest game of the year for starters. All while Seattle can focus a 100% on the game in front of them, it's absolute bullshit.
It's all rumours and speculation at this point too which makes it even worse.
On January 27 2015 13:27 Slaughter wrote: Lol Kraft has come out and said the NFL owes them an apology if they can't find anything. The whole Pats org just throwing up the middle finger at the NFL.
Why does the NFL owe them an apology? The NFL has done nothing but open an investigation.
Well having the patriot players interviewed by the NFL investigators which resulted this witchhunt while they are trying to prepare for the biggest game of the year for starters. All while Seattle can focus a 100% on the game in front of them, it's absolute bullshit.
It's all rumours and speculation at this point too which makes it even worse.
This investigation will have 0 effect on the football field.
On January 27 2015 13:27 Slaughter wrote: Lol Kraft has come out and said the NFL owes them an apology if they can't find anything. The whole Pats org just throwing up the middle finger at the NFL.
Why does the NFL owe them an apology? The NFL has done nothing but open an investigation.
Well having the patriot players interviewed by the NFL investigators which resulted this witchhunt while they are trying to prepare for the biggest game of the year for starters. All while Seattle can focus a 100% on the game in front of them, it's absolute bullshit.
It's all rumours and speculation at this point too which makes it even worse.
This investigation will have 0 effect on the football field.
How can you possibly say that? Just the fact alone that BB and Brady has had to take time to address this through press conferences instead of focusing on the SB could effect the game..
On January 27 2015 13:27 Slaughter wrote: Lol Kraft has come out and said the NFL owes them an apology if they can't find anything. The whole Pats org just throwing up the middle finger at the NFL.
Why does the NFL owe them an apology? The NFL has done nothing but open an investigation.
Well having the patriot players interviewed by the NFL investigators which resulted this witchhunt while they are trying to prepare for the biggest game of the year for starters. All while Seattle can focus a 100% on the game in front of them, it's absolute bullshit.
It's all rumours and speculation at this point too which makes it even worse.
This investigation will have 0 effect on the football field.
How can you possibly say that? Just the fact alone that BB and Brady has had to take time to address this through press conferences instead of focusing on the SB could effect the game..
And if they win I'm sure there's going to be some random ranting about 'rallying the troops amid all the distraction' or some cliche like that.
On January 27 2015 13:27 Slaughter wrote: Lol Kraft has come out and said the NFL owes them an apology if they can't find anything. The whole Pats org just throwing up the middle finger at the NFL.
Why does the NFL owe them an apology? The NFL has done nothing but open an investigation.
Well having the patriot players interviewed by the NFL investigators which resulted this witchhunt while they are trying to prepare for the biggest game of the year for starters. All while Seattle can focus a 100% on the game in front of them, it's absolute bullshit.
It's all rumours and speculation at this point too which makes it even worse.
This investigation will have 0 effect on the football field.
How can you possibly say that? Just the fact alone that BB and Brady has had to take time to address this through press conferences instead of focusing on the SB could effect the game..
And if they win I'm sure there's going to be some random ranting about 'rallying the troops amid all the distraction' or some cliche like that.
It won't have an effect on the field.
And either one of those are possible scenarios that could very easily have an effect on the game....
On January 27 2015 13:27 Slaughter wrote: Lol Kraft has come out and said the NFL owes them an apology if they can't find anything. The whole Pats org just throwing up the middle finger at the NFL.
Why does the NFL owe them an apology? The NFL has done nothing but open an investigation.
Well having the patriot players interviewed by the NFL investigators which resulted this witchhunt while they are trying to prepare for the biggest game of the year for starters. All while Seattle can focus a 100% on the game in front of them, it's absolute bullshit.
It's all rumours and speculation at this point too which makes it even worse.
This investigation will have 0 effect on the football field.
How can you possibly say that? Just the fact alone that BB and Brady has had to take time to address this through press conferences instead of focusing on the SB could effect the game..
I mean, those press conferences are just time they would be eating Fajitas anyways. Unless, or course, they had to spend copious amounts of time making sure their stories aligned...
On January 27 2015 13:27 Slaughter wrote: Lol Kraft has come out and said the NFL owes them an apology if they can't find anything. The whole Pats org just throwing up the middle finger at the NFL.
Why does the NFL owe them an apology? The NFL has done nothing but open an investigation.
Well having the patriot players interviewed by the NFL investigators which resulted this witchhunt while they are trying to prepare for the biggest game of the year for starters. All while Seattle can focus a 100% on the game in front of them, it's absolute bullshit.
It's all rumours and speculation at this point too which makes it even worse.
This investigation will have 0 effect on the football field.
How can you possibly say that? Just the fact alone that BB and Brady has had to take time to address this through press conferences instead of focusing on the SB could effect the game..
I mean, those press conferences are just time they would be eating Fajitas anyways. Unless, or course, they had to spend copious amounts of time making sure their stories aligned...
Or...if they're innocent they just wasted time doing
-Interviews -Studies -Learning ball handling procedures -Supplying NFL with whatever they asked for
pretty sure 'chip on shoulder' wise this helps the pats. but if brady gets destroyed by seahawks defense the vultures will be out full force. it's a game with some high upside for pats haters. i really hope the pats get destroyed
On January 28 2015 09:47 oneofthem wrote: pretty sure 'chip on shoulder' wise this helps the pats. but if brady gets destroyed by seahawks defense the vultures will be out full force. it's a game with some high upside for pats haters. i really hope the pats get destroyed
Very well could help the Pats, I'm not sure either way. I just found it a little ridiculous that red_ was definitively asserting that it would have 0 impact on the game.
On January 28 2015 09:40 cLutZ wrote: I mean, those press conferences are just time they would be eating Fajitas anyways. Unless, or course, they had to spend copious amounts of time making sure their stories aligned...
I'd rather eat fajitas and relax than having to answer dumb questions and listen to silly allegations. Resting is almost as important as the actual training for athletes and in this case the Seahawks are having an easier time to find room for it. Like it or not that will have an effect in the game, so at least chill with the wild accusations and postpone the investigation until after it's played.
On January 26 2015 12:39 QuanticHawk wrote: Josh Gordon is either a massive idiot or a hopeless drug addict
He's seeming like a sad combination of both. Being hopelessly addicted to drugs when you have a potentially great nfl career ahead of you makes you a massive idiot.
I don't think he's hopelessly addicted... Like seriously? I don't think people know what that means.
It's not like his substance use would prevent him from holding practically any job that didn't require random UA's or a Drivers License.
If it weren't for stupid drug policies (outside of the DUI) it wouldn't be a problem, He probably does less "drugs" and drunk driving than most of the working people in America (especially if we're talking 18-24 year olds).
The guy wouldn't even have tested positive for cannabis under the new rules, and the only reason the alcohol was a problem was because of what wouldn't even be a problem with cannabis now...
How divorced from reality are people?
You guys make him sound like he's selling his daughter on the corner for meth money... Good Lord.
On January 26 2015 14:49 Slaughter wrote: I dunno if I would say "hopelessly addicted" from the information we have. Probably just an idiot who thinks he can get away with it
Considering how much shit the NFL turns a blind eye towards can anyone really blame him? Also, if you can look back on your 18-24 years and think "whew didn't do anything stupid that put my future at risk" (like smoking cannabis or drinking alcohol when you weren't supposed to, or any of the other countless dumb things people that age do) than you are probably a boring person with boring (if any in real life) friends.
no matter how stupid I may think the Nfl's policies are, he knew very well that he couldn't even drink after his last dance with them and he did. He's literally chosing booze rather than playing, and he's still on his rookie contract. I think it's certainly plausible to mention that he might be an addict if he can't even stay clean long enough for that
Hopeless addicts don't have just a few drinks. The guy would practically get laughed out of AA if he tried to call himself an alcoholic.
It doesn't seem like he drinks himself into a stupor or really any evidence he drinks a lot or often. He drinks probably less than most people 18-24, especially in NC, hes just had some bad luck when it comes to getting caught.
I mean the guy smoked pot in college (who does that right!?) and got a DUI in NC (10TH drunkest state in the country) with a .09 (was really just a speeding ticket until the BA test) and then got caught with alcohol in his urine at a random screening on a weekend (while he's not working for months).
What seems like a much more likely explanation is that he is like your typical person of that age who thinks he can still get away with shit and doesn't comprehend the potential consequences.
But sure if one knew absolutely nothing about addiction or never bothered to actually read the details of his instances I could see how one might think he is a "hopeless addict".
As for owners/top office people caught with drugs or committing other crimes, they should get temp banned by the same guidelines as the players do, perhaps more so since they are "the boss".
Irsay being a 55 year old man in AA post rehab and getting caught with a car full of cash ($29,000) and prescription medication, and being unable to recite the alphabet. Now that sounds like a potential hopeless addict.
Gordon sounds more like a typical person in their early 20's who just happens to have the opportunity to make millions playing a game. If Wall Street randomly UA'd it's employees or gave random UA's to future employees still in college, that shit would be a ghost town in days.
his drinking and drug use is having a very direct negative effect on his career, that's like one of the main things about addiction
The very negative consequences are from some kind of ridiculous standards and typical youth driven poor decision making. If the guy was showing up drunk to games or at least practice there might be something to the idea but really this is just getting silly now.
it's not ridiculous, it's agreed in the cba, he knows that, he got popped for a dui and lots of states will ban you from drinking as a part of your probation. I agree the rules are retarded, and his weed drama bs should never have even counted against him in a just world, but they are what they are. if you know your workplace has a target on you and will have zero tolerance for drinking and drug use and you do it anyway how is that not a sign of addiction? being an addict encompasses a lot more than showing up to work blasted.
On January 26 2015 12:39 QuanticHawk wrote: Josh Gordon is either a massive idiot or a hopeless drug addict
He's seeming like a sad combination of both. Being hopelessly addicted to drugs when you have a potentially great nfl career ahead of you makes you a massive idiot.
I don't think he's hopelessly addicted... Like seriously? I don't think people know what that means.
It's not like his substance use would prevent him from holding practically any job that didn't require random UA's or a Drivers License.
If it weren't for stupid drug policies (outside of the DUI) it wouldn't be a problem, He probably does less "drugs" and drunk driving than most of the working people in America (especially if we're talking 18-24 year olds).
The guy wouldn't even have tested positive for cannabis under the new rules, and the only reason the alcohol was a problem was because of what wouldn't even be a problem with cannabis now...
How divorced from reality are people?
You guys make him sound like he's selling his daughter on the corner for meth money... Good Lord.
On January 26 2015 14:49 Slaughter wrote: I dunno if I would say "hopelessly addicted" from the information we have. Probably just an idiot who thinks he can get away with it
Considering how much shit the NFL turns a blind eye towards can anyone really blame him? Also, if you can look back on your 18-24 years and think "whew didn't do anything stupid that put my future at risk" (like smoking cannabis or drinking alcohol when you weren't supposed to, or any of the other countless dumb things people that age do) than you are probably a boring person with boring (if any in real life) friends.
no matter how stupid I may think the Nfl's policies are, he knew very well that he couldn't even drink after his last dance with them and he did. He's literally chosing booze rather than playing, and he's still on his rookie contract. I think it's certainly plausible to mention that he might be an addict if he can't even stay clean long enough for that
Hopeless addicts don't have just a few drinks. The guy would practically get laughed out of AA if he tried to call himself an alcoholic.
It doesn't seem like he drinks himself into a stupor or really any evidence he drinks a lot or often. He drinks probably less than most people 18-24, especially in NC, hes just had some bad luck when it comes to getting caught.
I mean the guy smoked pot in college (who does that right!?) and got a DUI in NC (10TH drunkest state in the country) with a .09 (was really just a speeding ticket until the BA test) and then got caught with alcohol in his urine at a random screening on a weekend (while he's not working for months).
What seems like a much more likely explanation is that he is like your typical person of that age who thinks he can still get away with shit and doesn't comprehend the potential consequences.
But sure if one knew absolutely nothing about addiction or never bothered to actually read the details of his instances I could see how one might think he is a "hopeless addict".
As for owners/top office people caught with drugs or committing other crimes, they should get temp banned by the same guidelines as the players do, perhaps more so since they are "the boss".
Irsay being a 55 year old man in AA post rehab and getting caught with a car full of cash ($29,000) and prescription medication, and being unable to recite the alphabet. Now that sounds like a potential hopeless addict.
Gordon sounds more like a typical person in their early 20's who just happens to have the opportunity to make millions playing a game. If Wall Street randomly UA'd it's employees or gave random UA's to future employees still in college, that shit would be a ghost town in days.
his drinking and drug use is having a very direct negative effect on his career, that's like one of the main things about addiction
The very negative consequences are from some kind of ridiculous standards and typical youth driven poor decision making. If the guy was showing up drunk to games or at least practice there might be something to the idea but really this is just getting silly now.
it's not ridiculous, it's agreed in the cba, he knows that, he got popped for a dui and lots of states will ban you from drinking as a part of your probation. I agree the rules are retarded, and his weed drama bs should never have even counted against him in a just world, but they are what they are. if you know your workplace has a target on you and will have zero tolerance for drinking and drug use and you do it anyway how is that not a sign of addiction? being an addict encompasses a lot more than showing up to work blasted.
I don't think addiction is the only explanation for his behavior here. I think the fact that he's a moron is a much better explanation. Wasn't his BAC like super low on the test? There is nothing to indicate he is physically or chemically addicted to drugs or alcohol, just that he's too dumb to think critically and realize he's throwing away a fantastic opportunity he'll only get once in his life to get high. Hell man, just hold off for 3 or 4 years, manage your finances, and you can retire and smoke all the weed you want and never have to work again.
On January 26 2015 12:39 QuanticHawk wrote: Josh Gordon is either a massive idiot or a hopeless drug addict
He's seeming like a sad combination of both. Being hopelessly addicted to drugs when you have a potentially great nfl career ahead of you makes you a massive idiot.
I don't think he's hopelessly addicted... Like seriously? I don't think people know what that means.
It's not like his substance use would prevent him from holding practically any job that didn't require random UA's or a Drivers License.
If it weren't for stupid drug policies (outside of the DUI) it wouldn't be a problem, He probably does less "drugs" and drunk driving than most of the working people in America (especially if we're talking 18-24 year olds).
The guy wouldn't even have tested positive for cannabis under the new rules, and the only reason the alcohol was a problem was because of what wouldn't even be a problem with cannabis now...
How divorced from reality are people?
You guys make him sound like he's selling his daughter on the corner for meth money... Good Lord.
On January 26 2015 14:49 Slaughter wrote: I dunno if I would say "hopelessly addicted" from the information we have. Probably just an idiot who thinks he can get away with it
Considering how much shit the NFL turns a blind eye towards can anyone really blame him? Also, if you can look back on your 18-24 years and think "whew didn't do anything stupid that put my future at risk" (like smoking cannabis or drinking alcohol when you weren't supposed to, or any of the other countless dumb things people that age do) than you are probably a boring person with boring (if any in real life) friends.
no matter how stupid I may think the Nfl's policies are, he knew very well that he couldn't even drink after his last dance with them and he did. He's literally chosing booze rather than playing, and he's still on his rookie contract. I think it's certainly plausible to mention that he might be an addict if he can't even stay clean long enough for that
Hopeless addicts don't have just a few drinks. The guy would practically get laughed out of AA if he tried to call himself an alcoholic.
It doesn't seem like he drinks himself into a stupor or really any evidence he drinks a lot or often. He drinks probably less than most people 18-24, especially in NC, hes just had some bad luck when it comes to getting caught.
I mean the guy smoked pot in college (who does that right!?) and got a DUI in NC (10TH drunkest state in the country) with a .09 (was really just a speeding ticket until the BA test) and then got caught with alcohol in his urine at a random screening on a weekend (while he's not working for months).
What seems like a much more likely explanation is that he is like your typical person of that age who thinks he can still get away with shit and doesn't comprehend the potential consequences.
But sure if one knew absolutely nothing about addiction or never bothered to actually read the details of his instances I could see how one might think he is a "hopeless addict".
As for owners/top office people caught with drugs or committing other crimes, they should get temp banned by the same guidelines as the players do, perhaps more so since they are "the boss".
Irsay being a 55 year old man in AA post rehab and getting caught with a car full of cash ($29,000) and prescription medication, and being unable to recite the alphabet. Now that sounds like a potential hopeless addict.
Gordon sounds more like a typical person in their early 20's who just happens to have the opportunity to make millions playing a game. If Wall Street randomly UA'd it's employees or gave random UA's to future employees still in college, that shit would be a ghost town in days.
his drinking and drug use is having a very direct negative effect on his career, that's like one of the main things about addiction
The very negative consequences are from some kind of ridiculous standards and typical youth driven poor decision making. If the guy was showing up drunk to games or at least practice there might be something to the idea but really this is just getting silly now.
it's not ridiculous, it's agreed in the cba, he knows that, he got popped for a dui and lots of states will ban you from drinking as a part of your probation. I agree the rules are retarded, and his weed drama bs should never have even counted against him in a just world, but they are what they are. if you know your workplace has a target on you and will have zero tolerance for drinking and drug use and you do it anyway how is that not a sign of addiction? being an addict encompasses a lot more than showing up to work blasted.
I don't think addiction is the only explanation for his behavior here. I think the fact that he's a moron is a much better explanation. Wasn't his BAC like super low on the test? There is nothing to indicate he is physically or chemically addicted to drugs or alcohol, just that he's too dumb to think critically and realize he's throwing away a fantastic opportunity he'll only get once in his life to get high. Hell man, just hold off for 3 or 4 years, manage your finances, and you can retire and smoke all the weed you want and never have to work again.
Yes this. There is no need to try to use addiction as an explanation, it's just typical youth stupidity. He just happens to be on a scale most people aren't. Could he be suffering from some level of addiction, sure maybe. My point was that speculating on whether he was a "hopeless addict' was just flat out ignorant. Whether he has some mild addiction to alcohol or not wasn't my point.
Someone approaching hopeless level addiction with alcohol would not be able to just quit because they were supposed to anyway. Alcohol is one of the few substances where cold turkey quitting can actually kill you. Not like opiates where you might choke on your vomit in your sleep, but the actual lack of alcohol can cause your body to fail and for you to expire.
So if Gordon was anywhere near "hopelessly addicted" his situation would be an indictment of how the NFL and the Union treat their players as opposed to him just making dumb decisions.
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