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I agree with nDieJokes.
Obviously getting your big compounds up is important, for the overall good physique, but if you want big arms there's no reason to not work your arms directly as well. It's not like you're going to ruin progress on your compounds if you do 3-5 sets of bicep isolation or tricep isolation at the end of every workout, and if it keeps you happy and therefore training hard then go for it.
That said, Farva has a point with his "someone who can row 135x12, 185x12 and 225x8 is going to have big fucking arms"
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I mean why NOT do arms after deadlifts right? Just don't waste your time with an arms day when the last time you deadlifted was a month ago.
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Everyone who can deadlift 1300 pounds is also going to have a big back, but the best way to get huge ass fucking arms is to do compounds that hit them and a fuckload of isolation.
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On March 21 2014 18:07 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
Everyone who can deadlift 1300 pounds is also going to have a big back, but the best way to get huge ass fucking arms is to do compounds that hit them and a fuckload of isolation.
But if you only have big arms then you look like a gym muppet with chicken legs and underdeveloped other parts of your body, screw that.
First thing you might notice about a guy is his bicep size, second thing is the rest of his body. If the rest of his body is lacking I can't find that much impressive about him, because he looks disproportionate and is most likely weak elsewhere.
At the same time, if you only want big arms then yeah, just do arms.
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I can deadlift five billion tons.
Am I allowed to do isolation work on my arms yet?
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On March 21 2014 19:56 marvellosity wrote:
I can deadlift five billion tons.
Am I allowed to do isolation work on my arms yet?
Probably don't have any need for it  You really do have a thing for ad absurdum don't you? 
Wrapped my wrist Wed and today and that definitely helped. Had to bench light but the wrist is starting to feel better after a week and a half. Is it concerning if my bad knee has been slightly swollen since Wed? I one-legged pressed pretty heavy and played ultimate and it was suuuuper clicky yesterday. It's not clicking/popping today and I squatted just fine but it still appears a little swollen relative to my right knee.
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I'm merely flattered that you noticed, mordek :p
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Sweet jesus christ, you can do isolation for arms twice a week and still hit everything else and look solid all round. The fastest way to grow arms, or any body part to be honest, is compounds + a boatload of isolation. There's a reason it's the staple in bodybuilding.
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Yes but that reason is not as simple as, "for size, isolation good, compound bad.", and much of why bb'ers benefit from an isolation minded routine has nothing to do with anyone normal. For one, bb'ers, if they're doing their job right, have already put in years of conventional programming, so much so that they've already begun to approach their body's structural limits insofar as muscle mass is concerned, making isolations and spot attention much more useful. Additionally, you'll notice that even IFBB pros focus on compounds during the off season; they ramp up on isolations 4-5 months out from a contest in order to reduce the chance of injury, better cater to their cutting diets that prevent them from hitting good progressive numbers on heavy compounds, and bring up the parts of their body that lag behind. Furthermore, there are plenty of bb'ers that don't do that; the likes of Phil Heath and Papa Lightweight continue to focus on heavy compounds even close to contest time, presumably because that is what works for them, and herein lies the crux of why choosing training foci based on a la carte admiration just doesn't make sense as a generalized piece of advice. Some dudes, and I'm talking relatively few, can do pretty much whatever and they'll look good and make good progress; NMC appears to be one of this types based on his progress pics. For every one of those people there are a dozen if not more normal dudes who will see the success of those with superior genetics and then fool themselves into thinking that a flat routine imitation is going to take them where they wanna be training wise, and the hordes of curlbros that, while they may curl and tricep extend themselves into oblivion, remain relatively the same size are the primary victims. I won't even get into why isolation routines do a poor job of coaxing the body into holding onto mass due to their insignificant CNS burden; the fact of the matter is that unless one has spent numerous years in the gym and has attained a certain level of size, isolations are the fools gold of the weight training world.
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On March 22 2014 00:45 farvacola wrote:Some dudes, and I'm talking relatively few, can do pretty much whatever and they'll look good and make good progress; NMC appears to be one of this types based on his progress pics. F.
To be fair, he's on CELLTECH
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Haha indeed. One mustn't discount the power of the tech.
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People ask me how I got such huge shoulders, and it's almost embarrassing because I didn't earn them at all. My dad gave them to me.
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On March 22 2014 00:45 farvacola wrote:
Yes but that reason is not as simple as, "for size, isolation good, compound bad.", and much of why bb'ers benefit from an isolation minded routine has nothing to do with anyone normal. For one, bb'ers, if they're doing their job right, have already put in years of conventional programming, so much so that they've already begun to approach their body's structural limits insofar as muscle mass is concerned, making isolations and spot attention much more useful. Additionally, you'll notice that even IFBB pros focus on compounds during the off season; they ramp up on isolations 4-5 months out from a contest in order to reduce the chance of injury, better cater to their cutting diets that prevent them from hitting good progressive numbers on heavy compounds, and bring up the parts of their body that lag behind. Furthermore, there are plenty of bb'ers that don't do that; the likes of Phil Heath and Papa Lightweight continue to focus on heavy compounds even close to contest time, presumably because that is what works for them, and herein lies the crux of why choosing training foci based on a la carte admiration just doesn't make sense as a generalized piece of advice. Some dudes, and I'm talking relatively few, can do pretty much whatever and they'll look good and make good progress; NMC appears to be one of this types based on his progress pics. For every one of those people there are a dozen if not more normal dudes who will see the success of those with superior genetics and then fool themselves into thinking that a flat routine imitation is going to take them where they wanna be training wise, and the hordes of curlbros that, while they may curl and tricep extend themselves into oblivion, remain relatively the same size are the primary victims. I won't even get into why isolation routines do a poor job of coaxing the body into holding onto mass due to their insignificant CNS burden; the fact of the matter is that unless one has spent numerous years in the gym and has attained a certain level of size, isolations are the fools gold of the weight training world.
yeah this, my uni gym is full of pencil necks with spaghetti arms who do tons of curls/tricep stuff but furiously avoid squats/deadlifts and benching most of the time. Seriously, if you get good enough at benching/overhead pressing your arms will just grow regardless. On your way to pursuit exelence on those lifts, you should be doing some suplemental work that will further aid on arm size gain, such as tricep extensions.
I've NEVER met a big guy who doesn't bench (aside from a few crossfiters/oly lifters) who also prolly benched at some point.
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"can do pretty much whatever and they'll look good and make good progress". Are you fucking shitting me? I train 6x a week, I read a fuckload and have been doing so since the beginning of my lifting days, I have trained 'till I puked on countless occasions. I managed to not miss more than 8 sessions in 2 YEARS of training, despite having a severe case of hydrocephalus and I had headaches every day for those two years. I stick to my macros religiously and have also been doing so since forever; I drink little alcohol and average 8+ hours of sleep per night. I can NOT do "pretty much whatever" and "still look good". I work my ass off.
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On March 22 2014 02:42 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
"can do pretty much whatever and they'll look good and make good progress". Are you fucking shitting me? I train 6x a week, I read a fuckload and have been doing so since the beginning of my lifting days, I have trained 'till I puked on countless occasions. I managed to not miss more than 8 sessions in 2 YEARS of training, despite having a severe case of hydrocephalus and I had headaches every day for those two years. I stick to my macros religiously and have also been doing so since forever; I drink little alcohol and average 8+ hours of sleep per night. I can NOT do "pretty much whatever" and "still look good". I work my ass off.
Does your gym have a special grumpiness training session?
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On March 22 2014 02:39 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 00:45 farvacola wrote:
Yes but that reason is not as simple as, "for size, isolation good, compound bad.", and much of why bb'ers benefit from an isolation minded routine has nothing to do with anyone normal. For one, bb'ers, if they're doing their job right, have already put in years of conventional programming, so much so that they've already begun to approach their body's structural limits insofar as muscle mass is concerned, making isolations and spot attention much more useful. Additionally, you'll notice that even IFBB pros focus on compounds during the off season; they ramp up on isolations 4-5 months out from a contest in order to reduce the chance of injury, better cater to their cutting diets that prevent them from hitting good progressive numbers on heavy compounds, and bring up the parts of their body that lag behind. Furthermore, there are plenty of bb'ers that don't do that; the likes of Phil Heath and Papa Lightweight continue to focus on heavy compounds even close to contest time, presumably because that is what works for them, and herein lies the crux of why choosing training foci based on a la carte admiration just doesn't make sense as a generalized piece of advice. Some dudes, and I'm talking relatively few, can do pretty much whatever and they'll look good and make good progress; NMC appears to be one of this types based on his progress pics. For every one of those people there are a dozen if not more normal dudes who will see the success of those with superior genetics and then fool themselves into thinking that a flat routine imitation is going to take them where they wanna be training wise, and the hordes of curlbros that, while they may curl and tricep extend themselves into oblivion, remain relatively the same size are the primary victims. I won't even get into why isolation routines do a poor job of coaxing the body into holding onto mass due to their insignificant CNS burden; the fact of the matter is that unless one has spent numerous years in the gym and has attained a certain level of size, isolations are the fools gold of the weight training world. yeah this, my uni gym is full of pencil necks with spaghetti arms who do tons of curls/tricep stuff but furiously avoid squats/deadlifts and benching most of the time. Seriously, if you get good enough at benching/overhead pressing your arms will just grow regardless. On your way to pursuit exelence on those lifts, you should be doing some suplemental work that will further aid on arm size gain, such as tricep extensions. I've NEVER met a big guy who doesn't bench (aside from a few crossfiters/oly lifters) who also prolly benched at some point.
snatch and clean and jerk are imba.
On March 22 2014 02:42 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
"can do pretty much whatever and they'll look good and make good progress". Are you fucking shitting me? I train 6x a week, I read a fuckload and have been doing so since the beginning of my lifting days, I have trained 'till I puked on countless occasions. I managed to not miss more than 8 sessions in 2 YEARS of training, despite having a severe case of hydrocephalus and I had headaches every day for those two years. I stick to my macros religiously and have also been doing so since forever; I drink little alcohol and average 8+ hours of sleep per night. I can NOT do "pretty much whatever" and "still look good". I work my ass off.
On March 22 2014 01:27 decafchicken wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 00:45 farvacola wrote:Some dudes, and I'm talking relatively few, can do pretty much whatever and they'll look good and make good progress; NMC appears to be one of this types based on his progress pics. F. To be fair, he's on CELLTECH
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On March 22 2014 02:42 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
"can do pretty much whatever and they'll look good and make good progress". Are you fucking shitting me? I train 6x a week, I read a fuckload and have been doing so since the beginning of my lifting days, I have trained 'till I puked on countless occasions. I managed to not miss more than 8 sessions in 2 YEARS of training, despite having a severe case of hydrocephalus and I had headaches every day for those two years. I stick to my macros religiously and have also been doing so since forever; I drink little alcohol and average 8+ hours of sleep per night. I can NOT do "pretty much whatever" and "still look good". I work my ass off.
And my point is that there are many other people who simply cannot train 6 days a week consistently for 2 years alongside sickness, for reasons both genetic and life event related. People grow differently, and to see continual results without more than one day a week of rest puts you in a fairly specific and small category of people, people who are likely to see far more success with a high volume, highly diversified routine than others who simply need more rest on a week to week basis. There's no need to feel insulted.
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On March 22 2014 03:05 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 02:42 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
"can do pretty much whatever and they'll look good and make good progress". Are you fucking shitting me? I train 6x a week, I read a fuckload and have been doing so since the beginning of my lifting days, I have trained 'till I puked on countless occasions. I managed to not miss more than 8 sessions in 2 YEARS of training, despite having a severe case of hydrocephalus and I had headaches every day for those two years. I stick to my macros religiously and have also been doing so since forever; I drink little alcohol and average 8+ hours of sleep per night. I can NOT do "pretty much whatever" and "still look good". I work my ass off. And my point is that there are many other people who simply cannot train 6 days a week consistently for 2 years alongside sickness, for reasons both genetic and life event related. People grow differently, and to see continual results without more than one day a week of rest puts you in a fairly specific and small category of people, people who are likely to see far more success with a high volume, highly diversified routine than others who simply need more rest on a week to week basis. There's no need to feel insulted.
You're making it sound like I could have done P90x supersetted with masturbation and gotten the same results, when I am 10x more dedicated than 99% of the people who walk into the gym. Yes I feel insulted. I've done a lot of experimentation with my macros and training to figure out what works well for me, I guess that kind of self-research does make me genetically blessed. Most people can't train alongside sickness because most people are as soft as wet newspapers.
And I know you're joking Decaf, but if I used gear I would look decent I hope.
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You are beautiful, no matter what they saaay! Words can't bring you down!
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On March 22 2014 03:15 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 03:05 farvacola wrote:On March 22 2014 02:42 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
"can do pretty much whatever and they'll look good and make good progress". Are you fucking shitting me? I train 6x a week, I read a fuckload and have been doing so since the beginning of my lifting days, I have trained 'till I puked on countless occasions. I managed to not miss more than 8 sessions in 2 YEARS of training, despite having a severe case of hydrocephalus and I had headaches every day for those two years. I stick to my macros religiously and have also been doing so since forever; I drink little alcohol and average 8+ hours of sleep per night. I can NOT do "pretty much whatever" and "still look good". I work my ass off. And my point is that there are many other people who simply cannot train 6 days a week consistently for 2 years alongside sickness, for reasons both genetic and life event related. People grow differently, and to see continual results without more than one day a week of rest puts you in a fairly specific and small category of people, people who are likely to see far more success with a high volume, highly diversified routine than others who simply need more rest on a week to week basis. There's no need to feel insulted. You're making it sound like I could have done P90x supersetted with masturbation and gotten the same results, when I am 10x more dedicated than 99% of the people who walk into the gym. Yes I feel insulted. I've done a lot of experimentation with my macros and training to figure out what works well for me, I guess that kind of self-research does make me genetically blessed. Most people can't train alongside sickness because most people are as soft as wet newspapers. And I know you're joking Decaf, but if I used gear I would look decent I hope.
dying hahahaha
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