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Sneakyz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2361 Posts
March 21 2014 18:47 GMT
#921
People care about so much pointless crap. Lift heavy shit while progressively overloading and eat a lot => get big. If you want to get bigger get on gear. If you want bigger arms add extra stuff that involves the arms, chins or curls who gives a shit, if it gets you closer to your goal it's good.
I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds.
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
March 21 2014 19:48 GMT
#922
On March 22 2014 03:15 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2014 03:05 farvacola wrote:
On March 22 2014 02:42 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
"can do pretty much whatever and they'll look good and make good progress". Are you fucking shitting me? I train 6x a week, I read a fuckload and have been doing so since the beginning of my lifting days, I have trained 'till I puked on countless occasions. I managed to not miss more than 8 sessions in 2 YEARS of training, despite having a severe case of hydrocephalus and I had headaches every day for those two years. I stick to my macros religiously and have also been doing so since forever; I drink little alcohol and average 8+ hours of sleep per night. I can NOT do "pretty much whatever" and "still look good". I work my ass off.

And my point is that there are many other people who simply cannot train 6 days a week consistently for 2 years alongside sickness, for reasons both genetic and life event related. People grow differently, and to see continual results without more than one day a week of rest puts you in a fairly specific and small category of people, people who are likely to see far more success with a high volume, highly diversified routine than others who simply need more rest on a week to week basis. There's no need to feel insulted.

You're making it sound like I could have done P90x supersetted with masturbation and gotten the same results, when I am 10x more dedicated than 99% of the people who walk into the gym. Yes I feel insulted. I've done a lot of experimentation with my macros and training to figure out what works well for me, I guess that kind of self-research does make me genetically blessed. Most people can't train alongside sickness because most people are as soft as wet newspapers.

And I know you're joking Decaf, but if I used gear I would look decent I hope.


I'd like to point out that the most common trait among the sucessful lifters here (and I bet anywhere) is that they spend time in the gym regardless of life consistently trough the years and work fucking hard inside it. Also understanding the value of self experience and evolving our training to a point where we make our own programming based on what works for us.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
March 21 2014 22:26 GMT
#923
I'm going to have to agree with NMC here, farva. Implicitly equating dedication and hard work with genetic gifts just sends you down a fatalistic rabbit hole. I've spent ten years in the gym and never took more than a week off, except once when I was hospitalized for two weeks. That includes training through an acl rupture and repair, minor hernia, minor rotator cuff tear, and hip labral tear. Not to mention illness, wear and tear, and life events. The bottom line is that getting big for most people requires years and years of hard work. You've emphasized that it's hard work by saying people should focus on compound movements, but let's not go crazy and say that people who make any progress are especially gifted. It just leads to excuses from the rest who give up after a mild 3 month routine.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10093 Posts
March 21 2014 23:58 GMT
#924
eating 1500 (aprox) calories a day for little more than a week... i just want to eat a complete KFC *sigh* also im taking more time to recover T_______T
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-22 00:45:40
March 22 2014 00:45 GMT
#925
Sup, 7.5kg PR and the most beautiful squat I've ever done.



Squat: 220kgx1(PR), 175kgx3x7
BP: 125kgx3x3, close grip 95x10
PBTN 40kgx5x2
Tricep/curl superset

So I've been watching a shitload of vids on how the chinese squat/lift/think and I think I've found my best form. I think I need a bit more ankle flexibity cause my hips go back a bit at the very bottom and should smash even more weight. I tought it was 215 but because of rounding now that I did the math its 220.
Donkeys
Profile Joined August 2010
Mexico308 Posts
March 22 2014 03:22 GMT
#926
Weightlifting progress thread dead?

Today:

Snatch 135 150x3 165x2 175x2 185x2 190x 190 195 205 210x 210x 210 215x 185x3x2
CJ 155 175 200 220 235 245 255x(jerk) 265x(jerk) 275x(jerk) 235 225 215
Squat 325x5 265x8

Jerk felt super solid up to 245 but I felt a pinch in my lower back on that lift, couldn't stick the heavier jerks after that. PR clean at 275 though! And PR set of 5 on the squat lol. I think I'm starting to like the CJ more or as much as the snatch.


http://www.belowtherimyo.blogspot.com/
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
March 22 2014 10:46 GMT
#927
I understand you were doing a PR attempt but that last rep in particular looked pretty dangerous, bar seemed to be on your neck as opposed to your lats.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
March 22 2014 18:16 GMT
#928
I agree with Osmoses, except I think he meant to say traps

Also, have any of you guys done dragon flags? I did 3 reps of them yesterday and my abs are sorer than they've ever been today. Bruce Lee is a god.
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
March 22 2014 23:01 GMT
#929
Lats, traps, whats the difference? Take a load off, put your feet up, cmon relax guy.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
March 23 2014 22:11 GMT
#930
Time to smash a squat PR tomorrow.
Get huge or die mirin | Diamond on LoL
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
March 23 2014 23:22 GMT
#931
On March 22 2014 19:46 Osmoses wrote:
I understand you were doing a PR attempt but that last rep in particular looked pretty dangerous, bar seemed to be on your neck as opposed to your lats.


I thought both squats were plenty deep enough and clearly accomplished the goal of the movement. I didn't think either looked particularly bad in terms of bar height. But both squat videos did seem to reveal a heavy reliance on the back and posterior chain; both lifters' hips look to be rising faster than the lifters' shoulders out of the bottom. If you want an olympic lifter this doesn't seem to happen, whereas a powerlifting squat is specifically performed that way to take advantage of the back and PC muscles. Flexibility and balance requirements are higher for the oly squat, but an oly squat also seems to require a bit more strength from the quads and hips than the "hybrid" style displayed here. I point this out because it serms like the center of mass for each lifter in the two squat videos moves slightly forward and then back when coming out of the hole, as opposed to an overhead or oly squat where the center needs to remain stable for the lift to be completed. It's possible that moving the center of mass creates some instability in the system which would result in more risk to back structures and the like. Perhaps decaf can comment, since most of my lifting career I used a wide stance power squat to move a lot of weight, and now that I've been focusing on high bar squatting to reduce bak load I've noticed a significant difference in the mechanics of the squat.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
March 24 2014 07:11 GMT
#932
Just looked to me like a simple crumbling of form due to exhaustion which resulted in a bent back and the bar rolling onto the neck. Exact same thing happens to me in the exact same way when I lift too heavy.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
March 24 2014 07:34 GMT
#933
Except I'm talking about both Donkey's and Gotunk's videos, and it happens from rep 1 onwards, although it gets worse.

Compare stronglifts squat:


to Chinese olympic lifters' squat:


Back so upright. I guess Gotunk's first rep is pretty upright . . .
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
March 24 2014 07:48 GMT
#934
I always just got the impression bentover vs upright was just lowbar vs highbar, and anything in between those were "hybrids". The very very upright form of the chinese oly lifters is just them being bendier, which permits them to get closer to the "ideal" highbar squat.

Amirite?
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
March 24 2014 10:45 GMT
#935
Femur length plays a huge factor as well I think; I don't think I can stay that upright as an 6'5 dude.
Get huge or die mirin | Diamond on LoL
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
March 24 2014 11:33 GMT
#936
The nirvana of highbar: Moustache squat!

[image loading]
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
March 24 2014 12:54 GMT
#937
On March 24 2014 20:33 Osmoses wrote:
The nirvana of highbar: Moustache squat!

[image loading]

I guess you could say he handled that bar with his moustache.
Get huge or die mirin | Diamond on LoL
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20078 Posts
March 24 2014 14:58 GMT
#938
https://www.facebook.com/hookgripdotcom/photos/a.294621703925994.82507.195606927160806/645446948843466/?type=1&theater

Dat uprightness.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15355 Posts
March 24 2014 15:37 GMT
#939
Fuck it took me over 6 weeks of not a single workout skipped and eating more than ever in my life to get from 90kg bench to 92.5kg
At this rate it'll take like August to get to 100kg.

To the people suggesting accessory exercises (incline, close grip): When should I do these? After bench on bench day? On not-bench day? To what weight in relation to bench and what rep scheme (doing SS with everything else)?

ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20078 Posts
March 24 2014 15:39 GMT
#940
On March 24 2014 08:22 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2014 19:46 Osmoses wrote:
I understand you were doing a PR attempt but that last rep in particular looked pretty dangerous, bar seemed to be on your neck as opposed to your lats.


I thought both squats were plenty deep enough and clearly accomplished the goal of the movement. I didn't think either looked particularly bad in terms of bar height. But both squat videos did seem to reveal a heavy reliance on the back and posterior chain; both lifters' hips look to be rising faster than the lifters' shoulders out of the bottom. If you want an olympic lifter this doesn't seem to happen, whereas a powerlifting squat is specifically performed that way to take advantage of the back and PC muscles. Flexibility and balance requirements are higher for the oly squat, but an oly squat also seems to require a bit more strength from the quads and hips than the "hybrid" style displayed here. I point this out because it serms like the center of mass for each lifter in the two squat videos moves slightly forward and then back when coming out of the hole, as opposed to an overhead or oly squat where the center needs to remain stable for the lift to be completed. It's possible that moving the center of mass creates some instability in the system which would result in more risk to back structures and the like. Perhaps decaf can comment, since most of my lifting career I used a wide stance power squat to move a lot of weight, and now that I've been focusing on high bar squatting to reduce bak load I've noticed a significant difference in the mechanics of the squat.


Yeah ideally you have a perfectly straight bar bath in the squat and don't lean forward at all from the unracking position. As quads glutes hips and core get stronger you don't have to shift the hips backwards then forwards, slowly getting the squat to look more like the ones in that chinese video. God i love that video. Casual perfect form squats at 3xbw
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
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