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FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
November 24 2014 10:02 GMT
#3201
are you poker playter also?
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MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
November 24 2014 10:15 GMT
#3202
Maybe make some general health goals? Reduce stress, get more than 7 hours of sleep a night, eat X g of protein, etc. would all assist your first strength based goals and make you feel better in the long run.

Super excited though. A new gym just opened up right around the corner from my house. It's not huge, but it has 90 feet of straight turf with a prowler, three decent Rogue rigs, an Oly lifting platform, like four benches, a GHR, a reverse-hyper, dumbbells up to 150 lbs (he's looking to buy more), and a ton of other general strength stuff that I don't really remember. Considering it's a two minute walk to get to the gym, and he's charging $50 a month for personalized programming and personal training, it seems like a pretty good deal.

I'm going to the gym after I'm done with all my school related stuff today, so maybe I'll have some pictures of the gym.
NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
November 24 2014 12:14 GMT
#3203
Don't base your goals on outcomes, base your goals on effort/quality of input. You can control your sleep, your diet, and how often and hard you train. Don't stress the results; they will come. I would also avoid setting 10 goals before you're back in the groove, as you will have no idea what to strive for. Work your goddamn ass off, make progress every week and be proud of yourself every week for doing so.

As an update to my life: I have the final 2k test tomorrow. If I do well, I make the men's heavyweight varsity 8. I recently quit my non-profit work, because it was taking up 30+ hours a week and I couldn't manage rowing 10x a week, studying and working that much. It was making me miserable, and I decided to start pursuing actual happiness as a goal from now on.
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GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
November 24 2014 14:38 GMT
#3204
On November 24 2014 21:14 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
Don't base your goals on outcomes, base your goals on effort/quality of input. You can control your sleep, your diet, and how often and hard you train. Don't stress the results; they will come. I would also avoid setting 10 goals before you're back in the groove, as you will have no idea what to strive for. Work your goddamn ass off, make progress every week and be proud of yourself every week for doing so.

As an update to my life: I have the final 2k test tomorrow. If I do well, I make the men's heavyweight varsity 8. I recently quit my non-profit work, because it was taking up 30+ hours a week and I couldn't manage rowing 10x a week, studying and working that much. It was making me miserable, and I decided to start pursuing actual happiness as a goal from now on.


I disagree. The most important thing by far is the effort put inside the gym if your goal is to lift more weight.

I've found its more productive to make whatever it takes to get to the numbers you want rather than focusing on getting "good workouts", eating and sleeping properly.
Eclipsing Binary
Profile Joined September 2012
61 Posts
November 24 2014 14:55 GMT
#3205
On November 24 2014 23:38 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 21:14 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
Don't base your goals on outcomes, base your goals on effort/quality of input. You can control your sleep, your diet, and how often and hard you train. Don't stress the results; they will come. I would also avoid setting 10 goals before you're back in the groove, as you will have no idea what to strive for. Work your goddamn ass off, make progress every week and be proud of yourself every week for doing so.

As an update to my life: I have the final 2k test tomorrow. If I do well, I make the men's heavyweight varsity 8. I recently quit my non-profit work, because it was taking up 30+ hours a week and I couldn't manage rowing 10x a week, studying and working that much. It was making me miserable, and I decided to start pursuing actual happiness as a goal from now on.


I disagree. The most important thing by far is the effort put inside the gym if your goal is to lift more weight.

I've found its more productive to make whatever it takes to get to the numbers you want rather than focusing on getting "good workouts", eating and sleeping properly.


What do you mean? He said to base goals on effort. It sounds like you're agreeing with him. Other than that, what exactly should we focus on if not eating and sleeping?
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20176 Posts
November 24 2014 14:56 GMT
#3206
Knee feeling better every day. Starting PT tomorrow. I haven't squatted in like 2.5 weeks. Slowly dying inside.

On November 24 2014 10:50 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Alright, update! I purchased all my gym stuff and it all came in:

-Sport 9.0 Powerblock Dumbbells with Stage II Expansion (5lb-70lb)

Sounds like your'e building a car instead of a home gym :D
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
November 24 2014 15:02 GMT
#3207
On November 24 2014 23:55 Eclipsing Binary wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 23:38 GoTuNk! wrote:
On November 24 2014 21:14 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
Don't base your goals on outcomes, base your goals on effort/quality of input. You can control your sleep, your diet, and how often and hard you train. Don't stress the results; they will come. I would also avoid setting 10 goals before you're back in the groove, as you will have no idea what to strive for. Work your goddamn ass off, make progress every week and be proud of yourself every week for doing so.

As an update to my life: I have the final 2k test tomorrow. If I do well, I make the men's heavyweight varsity 8. I recently quit my non-profit work, because it was taking up 30+ hours a week and I couldn't manage rowing 10x a week, studying and working that much. It was making me miserable, and I decided to start pursuing actual happiness as a goal from now on.


I disagree. The most important thing by far is the effort put inside the gym if your goal is to lift more weight.

I've found its more productive to make whatever it takes to get to the numbers you want rather than focusing on getting "good workouts", eating and sleeping properly.


What do you mean? He said to base goals on effort. It sounds like you're agreeing with him. Other than that, what exactly should we focus on if not eating and sleeping?


On lifting agressively and with good technique on gym. So many people have good sleep/nutrition but just "go trough the motions" at the gym (usually followed an online spreadsheat) instead of squeezing extra/reps sets whenever it's possible.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20176 Posts
November 24 2014 19:16 GMT
#3208
Bench
5x5 @ 195 - Been doing this relatively narrow grip (hands inside the rings). Was awkward at first but feels good on my shoulder and getting stronger quickly, barely struggled at all.
Seated DB Press (no back support) - 8x45, 3x8x50 - Can really feel the imbalances in my back/core on these lol.
Skull crushers super set close grip press 3x10
Tricep push down super set dips 3x6
4x6 dips used to be a bit of a challenge for me a few weeks ago, managed to squeeze out a few sets at six after exhausting my upper body. Yay progress.

Couldn't hit the rowing machine today, this fucking fat creep that always sits on machines doing 0 work and staring at chicks was on it for 45 minutes doing like 3 rows a minute. Rage. Guess I'll do RDLs and rowing after work.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
November 24 2014 21:44 GMT
#3209
On November 24 2014 17:39 Osmoses wrote:
So you're home gym master race now. I'm jelaous.

As for your goals , they look ambitious to me in regard to your current strength, but you've done heavier in the past so I dunno, maybe. Good luck anyway, I'm trying to hit 100kg squat, without turning into moomin, as ever :p


Yeah indeed, it's just when I know I've done it before... I feel like I know what I'm doing much more now, when I was working out before, I had other things slowing me down, like not eating enough. Also I'm performing lifts in really strict form, like I went with my girlfriend to work out a month back (must impress), and was able to do 5 reps of 165 decline bench for example with somewhat shaky form. Yeah, if t he people in this thread are beastly at anything, it's their squats. Here a 225lb proper form squat is thrown around like weight you start at, but it's really not.

Anyway, as shitty as I do look right now, I do think I have more muscle underneath that compared to when I started working out, so progress hopefully is a bit faster than before if I put in the right effort.

On November 24 2014 19:02 FFGenerations wrote:
are you poker playter also?


Nope, why?

On November 24 2014 19:15 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:
Maybe make some general health goals? Reduce stress, get more than 7 hours of sleep a night, eat X g of protein, etc. would all assist your first strength based goals and make you feel better in the long run.

Super excited though. A new gym just opened up right around the corner from my house. It's not huge, but it has 90 feet of straight turf with a prowler, three decent Rogue rigs, an Oly lifting platform, like four benches, a GHR, a reverse-hyper, dumbbells up to 150 lbs (he's looking to buy more), and a ton of other general strength stuff that I don't really remember. Considering it's a two minute walk to get to the gym, and he's charging $50 a month for personalized programming and personal training, it seems like a pretty good deal.

I'm going to the gym after I'm done with all my school related stuff today, so maybe I'll have some pictures of the gym.


Yeah, that's mostly what I'm after, being healthier. It's just easy to cheat with goals like "reduce stress", since it's not easily quantifiable. So with my logic, if I want to reach my lifts, I have to eat well, sleep well, not miss workouts, etc. The health things I can't do much about for now is I'll be having 5 hours of sleep on weekdays, and maybe 9 hours on weekends, and I need my one-two coffees a day for energy. But yeah, I want goals that aren't pure strength, for example, this summer, a friend and I really want to go bike from Calgary to Edmonton (300km), spend a day there, and then bike back, so that's a big goal of mine that general fitness and strength will help.

On November 24 2014 23:56 decafchicken wrote:
Knee feeling better every day. Starting PT tomorrow. I haven't squatted in like 2.5 weeks. Slowly dying inside.

Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 10:50 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Alright, update! I purchased all my gym stuff and it all came in:

-Sport 9.0 Powerblock Dumbbells with Stage II Expansion (5lb-70lb)

Sounds like your'e building a car instead of a home gym :D


Why so? D: I actually did A LOT of research on dumbbells, and these are absolutely amazing. If anyone plans on getting any, Powerblock is #1 right now, the quality is absolutely superb, they are quiet, surprisingly strong, and so far, just very happy.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-24 22:34:56
November 24 2014 22:09 GMT
#3210
Well I had my work out yesterday, and I'm trying to do squats, but there's simply no way I can do them twice a week like SS says or as how many of you do it.

At this point, I walk like a cripple for the next 3-4 days, it's too much for me to do them for 4 or 5 sets of 5 or 6 reps. I'm still going to focus on big compound lifts, something like:

Monday:

4x5-6 Squats
4x6-8 Sitting OHDP or standing/sitting barbell press
3x Lunge set or farmers walk
4x8 Barbell raise to chin (for traps), possibly hang cleans
1-2 Support exercises for shoulders

Wednesday:

3x5 Deadlift
4x6-8 Decline/Flat Bench
4x6-8 Incline Dumbbell/Barbell press
4x7-9 Decline/Flat/Incline Flies
??? 1 bicep or 1 tricep exercise?

Thursday/Friday:

4x5-6 Squats (not yet, eventually)
3x6-8 Wide grip lat pulldowns (wide grip pull ups eventually please)
3x7-8 Close chin up grip lat pulldowns (chin ups eventually please)
3x7-8 Close grip Horizontal cable rows or bent over dumbbell rows
2x7-8 Bent over barbell rows
4x8-10 Skull crushers (Don't really want to do dips, I don't think they are that good, and they hurt my elbows a little bit)
4x8-10 Seated tricep extensions (hard to do with my dumbbells) or cable tricep extensions

Saturday/Sunday:

???Don't really know yet, stuff that I missed or didn't do well during the week, and just an easy day
-Some chest work
-Body weight stuff... push ups, handstands, balance, flexibility
-Arm isolation exercise(s)
-Squash or swimming sprints
-HIIT

Look okay for something that is not SL5x5 or SS?
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
November 24 2014 22:21 GMT
#3211
On November 25 2014 07:09 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Well I had my work out yesterday, and I'm trying to do squats, but there's simply no way I can do them twice a week like SS says or as how many of you do it.

At this point, I walk like a cripple for the next 3-4 days, it's too much for me to do them for 4 or 5 sets of 5 or 6 reps. I'm still going to focus on big compound lifts, something like:


It gets a lot easier as you keep going, the first couple times you will be the most sore afterwards by a huge amount. I almost never feel sore anymore, and that's pretty much the norm.
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-24 22:31:38
November 24 2014 22:26 GMT
#3212
On November 25 2014 07:21 Najda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2014 07:09 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Well I had my work out yesterday, and I'm trying to do squats, but there's simply no way I can do them twice a week like SS says or as how many of you do it.

At this point, I walk like a cripple for the next 3-4 days, it's too much for me to do them for 4 or 5 sets of 5 or 6 reps. I'm still going to focus on big compound lifts, something like:


It gets a lot easier as you keep going, the first couple times you will be the most sore afterwards by a huge amount. I almost never feel sore anymore, and that's pretty much the norm.


Yeah I know, but wow, I feel so demolished right now.

Hopefully in two more squat sessions this wont happen like you said, as it's really difficult for me to just walk class to class right now.S:
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
Maluk
Profile Joined August 2011
France987 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-24 23:02:16
November 24 2014 22:59 GMT
#3213
On November 25 2014 00:02 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2014 23:55 Eclipsing Binary wrote:
On November 24 2014 23:38 GoTuNk! wrote:
On November 24 2014 21:14 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
Don't base your goals on outcomes, base your goals on effort/quality of input. You can control your sleep, your diet, and how often and hard you train. Don't stress the results; they will come. I would also avoid setting 10 goals before you're back in the groove, as you will have no idea what to strive for. Work your goddamn ass off, make progress every week and be proud of yourself every week for doing so.

As an update to my life: I have the final 2k test tomorrow. If I do well, I make the men's heavyweight varsity 8. I recently quit my non-profit work, because it was taking up 30+ hours a week and I couldn't manage rowing 10x a week, studying and working that much. It was making me miserable, and I decided to start pursuing actual happiness as a goal from now on.


I disagree. The most important thing by far is the effort put inside the gym if your goal is to lift more weight.

I've found its more productive to make whatever it takes to get to the numbers you want rather than focusing on getting "good workouts", eating and sleeping properly.


What do you mean? He said to base goals on effort. It sounds like you're agreeing with him. Other than that, what exactly should we focus on if not eating and sleeping?


On lifting agressively and with good technique on gym. So many people have good sleep/nutrition but just "go trough the motions" at the gym (usually followed an online spreadsheat) instead of squeezing extra/reps sets whenever it's possible.


I think that I'm doing everything wrong according to you lol. I follow a method religiously (the Texas Method atm), if the program tells me to do 5x5 and I feel I could do 5x6 I'll stick to 5x5 and I won't "squeeze" any extra repetition. And I focus a lot on eating/sleeping well.

I know that when I try to do what you recommend, several weeks lifting as much as I can every time that I go to the gym, my performances usually go down instead of increasing. Because I'm not getting enough rest compared to the work my body does I woud guess.

I'm not saying that the method you recommend sucks, but I think that it varies from person to person really.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20176 Posts
November 24 2014 23:02 GMT
#3214
On November 25 2014 06:44 FiWiFaKi wrote:

Show nested quote +

Sounds like your'e building a car instead of a home gym :D


Why so? D: I actually did A LOT of research on dumbbells, and these are absolutely amazing. If anyone plans on getting any, Powerblock is #1 right now, the quality is absolutely superb, they are quiet, surprisingly strong, and so far, just very happy.


Haha I'm just saying you could use any of those words besides dumbell in a car/motor description.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
November 25 2014 01:22 GMT
#3215
On November 25 2014 07:59 Maluk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2014 00:02 GoTuNk! wrote:
On November 24 2014 23:55 Eclipsing Binary wrote:
On November 24 2014 23:38 GoTuNk! wrote:
On November 24 2014 21:14 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
Don't base your goals on outcomes, base your goals on effort/quality of input. You can control your sleep, your diet, and how often and hard you train. Don't stress the results; they will come. I would also avoid setting 10 goals before you're back in the groove, as you will have no idea what to strive for. Work your goddamn ass off, make progress every week and be proud of yourself every week for doing so.

As an update to my life: I have the final 2k test tomorrow. If I do well, I make the men's heavyweight varsity 8. I recently quit my non-profit work, because it was taking up 30+ hours a week and I couldn't manage rowing 10x a week, studying and working that much. It was making me miserable, and I decided to start pursuing actual happiness as a goal from now on.


I disagree. The most important thing by far is the effort put inside the gym if your goal is to lift more weight.

I've found its more productive to make whatever it takes to get to the numbers you want rather than focusing on getting "good workouts", eating and sleeping properly.


What do you mean? He said to base goals on effort. It sounds like you're agreeing with him. Other than that, what exactly should we focus on if not eating and sleeping?


On lifting agressively and with good technique on gym. So many people have good sleep/nutrition but just "go trough the motions" at the gym (usually followed an online spreadsheat) instead of squeezing extra/reps sets whenever it's possible.


I think that I'm doing everything wrong according to you lol. I follow a method religiously (the Texas Method atm), if the program tells me to do 5x5 and I feel I could do 5x6 I'll stick to 5x5 and I won't "squeeze" any extra repetition. And I focus a lot on eating/sleeping well.

I know that when I try to do what you recommend, several weeks lifting as much as I can every time that I go to the gym, my performances usually go down instead of increasing. Because I'm not getting enough rest compared to the work my body does I woud guess.

I'm not saying that the method you recommend sucks, but I think that it varies from person to person really.


Getting proper nutrition/sleep is always something good; however sometimes you won't, and you need to be mentally strong to get your workout properly anyway (you could only sleep 7 hours, more caffeine and man up, you can sleep at night)

Those programs are OK for beginners and intermediate, but not 2 people are built alike and you should find what works for you. As you get stuck and move to advanced/elite you need to know how to break plateaus, what assistance lifts work for you and having an on season/off season training at least.

That's my view though, if you are making progress stick with it. However, when it stops working you need to be open to new ideas and trying stuff out
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7684 Posts
November 25 2014 01:58 GMT
#3216
If you are feeling good at the gym you need to capitalize on that. Your body goes through ups and downs, and when you are having one of those god mode gym days you should really take advantage of it by bringing the intensity every rep of every single set, and push the reps each set. There will be plenty of times that you can follow the schedule because you are just mentally and emotionally exhausted for whatever reason and just completing your workout as intended is a success.
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Eclipsing Binary
Profile Joined September 2012
61 Posts
November 27 2014 02:00 GMT
#3217
My deadlifts completely went down the toilet today. I had food poisoning and awful sleep. I did 5 x 210 lbs. last time, but this time I did 1 x 215 and then couldn't even lift the bar again. Had to go down to 185.

Also, I was super salty at failing my last bench press. It was like 80% of the way there, but I just couldn't complete it. The disappointment was real.

I've been lifting for about 2.5 months and it's already getting much harder for me to add weight to the bar. I try to go up 5 lbs. each time I squat, but my form usually suffers tremendously on the last rep or two of each set. Should I just keep going up, even if I can only do like 11/15 with good form?

Honestly, the hardest part for me is sleeping and eating well. Real life always seems to get in the way, killing my gains.
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
November 27 2014 02:45 GMT
#3218
On November 27 2014 11:00 Eclipsing Binary wrote:
My deadlifts completely went down the toilet today. I had food poisoning and awful sleep. I did 5 x 210 lbs. last time, but this time I did 1 x 215 and then couldn't even lift the bar again. Had to go down to 185.

Also, I was super salty at failing my last bench press. It was like 80% of the way there, but I just couldn't complete it. The disappointment was real.

I've been lifting for about 2.5 months and it's already getting much harder for me to add weight to the bar. I try to go up 5 lbs. each time I squat, but my form usually suffers tremendously on the last rep or two of each set. Should I just keep going up, even if I can only do like 11/15 with good form?

Honestly, the hardest part for me is sleeping and eating well. Real life always seems to get in the way, killing my gains.


If you can eat properly, at least try to eat more (DONT GET FAT, A BIT MORE)
If you can't sleep properly, stimulants pre workout can help. (RAW coffee)
Stick with what the program you are following says.

Or try different reps/sets.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
November 27 2014 19:34 GMT
#3219
I know it's hard to tell without video but I have slightly long legs in proportion to my body, and when I squat it's very easy for me to come up leaning forward instead of coming up straight. I think it's because I'm not putting my butt back enough. I have a wideish stance with toes pointing 45 degrees outward. What else could be the problem? Thanks.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18870 Posts
November 27 2014 19:55 GMT
#3220
Hip flexibility is likely limited; couch stretches all day.
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