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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13427 Posts
February 01 2014 23:56 GMT
#3481
On February 02 2014 08:28 lamprey1 wrote:
Imagine if the Raptors had drafted Aldridge instead of Barn.
Imagine adding Aldridge to this current squad.

Basically, Colangelo's decision to take Barn instead of Aldridge cost him his job.


In fairness, they did have Bosh as the time so I can understand why they didn't take LMA. Bosh is a superior PF.

Roy is probably the bigger regret in retrospect.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
February 02 2014 00:39 GMT
#3482
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24427061/report-the-cavaliers-are-a-flaming-mess
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
February 02 2014 01:07 GMT
#3483
A quick point about Bynum: is he even good right now? He's moving terribly and perhaps they're just signing him on potential to perhaps trade Mahinimi to open up cap room? I'm not convinced Bynum's going to help them much in his current state. I'd assume their either playing keep away from Miami or hoping he recaptures his old ability. With him playing about 15 minutes a night, I can see him being moderately effective, but I don't see a scenario where he and Hibbert realistically share the floor.

On February 02 2014 09:39 Ace wrote:
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24427061/report-the-cavaliers-are-a-flaming-mess

I'm not surprised at all. Have fun with being in Cleveland for two more years, Kyrie!
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
February 02 2014 02:27 GMT
#3484
ah rockets. never change. 19 point lead against probably the worst team in the league now and evaporated in 5 minutes. lol
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
February 02 2014 02:48 GMT
#3485
On February 02 2014 10:07 AgentW wrote:
A quick point about Bynum: is he even good right now? He's moving terribly and perhaps they're just signing him on potential to perhaps trade Mahinimi to open up cap room? I'm not convinced Bynum's going to help them much in his current state. I'd assume their either playing keep away from Miami or hoping he recaptures his old ability. With him playing about 15 minutes a night, I can see him being moderately effective, but I don't see a scenario where he and Hibbert realistically share the floor.

Show nested quote +
On February 02 2014 09:39 Ace wrote:
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24427061/report-the-cavaliers-are-a-flaming-mess

I'm not surprised at all. Have fun with being in Cleveland for two more years, Kyrie!

he won't ever be on the floor with Hibbert. Unless West, Scola and Ian are all fouled out. They hope he can provide an inside presence off the bench, open things up for Granger, Scola and Watson. Why I like the move is, if he doesn't play well, they can just cut him by March 2nd and no harm done really.
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
February 02 2014 02:59 GMT
#3486
On February 02 2014 08:48 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2014 08:28 lamprey1 wrote:
Imagine if the Raptors had drafted Aldridge instead of Barn.
Imagine adding Aldridge to this current squad.

Basically, Colangelo's decision to take Barn instead of Aldridge cost him his job.


I think the big extensions to Bargs were the real killers. After seeing him play his first few years why wouldn't you let him walk? Colangelo also had a host of other bad moves that finally got management to get rid of him.

Dumars has to be next to go though. He is really, really awful.

I think one of the most broken aspects of the NBA is how quickly coaches are fired and how rarely GMs are fired.

GMs do far more damage to a franchise than a bad coach, yet they stay on for so long.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Dogfoodboy16
Profile Joined October 2013
364 Posts
February 02 2014 03:45 GMT
#3487
The kings play the first 3 quarters better than any other team. The fourth always goes to shit.
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
February 02 2014 03:56 GMT
#3488
Well what we are finding out(or has come to be recently) is that the NBA is a GM"s league, where it was once thought to be a coach's league.
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
AppleSauce123
Profile Joined October 2013
Denmark148 Posts
February 02 2014 04:19 GMT
#3489
JLin with the triple double, how fitting !
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-02 05:31:40
February 02 2014 05:30 GMT
#3490
On February 02 2014 11:48 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2014 10:07 AgentW wrote:
A quick point about Bynum: is he even good right now? He's moving terribly and perhaps they're just signing him on potential to perhaps trade Mahinimi to open up cap room? I'm not convinced Bynum's going to help them much in his current state. I'd assume their either playing keep away from Miami or hoping he recaptures his old ability. With him playing about 15 minutes a night, I can see him being moderately effective, but I don't see a scenario where he and Hibbert realistically share the floor.

On February 02 2014 09:39 Ace wrote:
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24427061/report-the-cavaliers-are-a-flaming-mess

I'm not surprised at all. Have fun with being in Cleveland for two more years, Kyrie!

he won't ever be on the floor with Hibbert. Unless West, Scola and Ian are all fouled out. They hope he can provide an inside presence off the bench, open things up for Granger, Scola and Watson. Why I like the move is, if he doesn't play well, they can just cut him by March 2nd and no harm done really.

I didn't hear about the March 2nd thing, that's great for Indiana. Either Bynum has a really lousy agent, or he's not very highly regarded by NBA teams (or both) for him to have gone this long without signing and yet still gets these lousy opt out clauses in the deal. I'm really surprised that's in there.

As for the Hibbert point, I didn't think he would share the floor with Hibbert, so he's at most going to be getting a dozen or so minutes per game, which makes me think he can't be that impactful.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
February 02 2014 05:51 GMT
#3491
I'd rather Mahini get a ton of minutes over Bynum anyway.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13427 Posts
February 02 2014 05:53 GMT
#3492
On February 02 2014 11:59 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2014 08:48 Ace wrote:
On February 02 2014 08:28 lamprey1 wrote:
Imagine if the Raptors had drafted Aldridge instead of Barn.
Imagine adding Aldridge to this current squad.

Basically, Colangelo's decision to take Barn instead of Aldridge cost him his job.


I think the big extensions to Bargs were the real killers. After seeing him play his first few years why wouldn't you let him walk? Colangelo also had a host of other bad moves that finally got management to get rid of him.

Dumars has to be next to go though. He is really, really awful.

I think one of the most broken aspects of the NBA is how quickly coaches are fired and how rarely GMs are fired.

GMs do far more damage to a franchise than a bad coach, yet they stay on for so long.


Remember the early 2000s when Colangelo and Dumars were respected GMs?

How times change.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
February 02 2014 06:13 GMT
#3493
who are the best perimeter defenders in the east? Is affalo still one of them?
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9175 Posts
February 02 2014 06:46 GMT
#3494
On February 02 2014 12:45 Dogfoodboy16 wrote:
The kings play the first 3 quarters better than any other team. The fourth always goes to shit.

Tanking 101: Seem competitive without actually winning much
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
February 02 2014 07:34 GMT
#3495
On February 02 2014 15:13 zulu_nation8 wrote:
who are the best perimeter defenders in the east? Is affalo still one of them?

Not a definitive list, but Paul George, Avery Bradley, Rondo, Affalo, Terrence Ross, are some of the ones that have impressed me recently. There are clearly more, but those guys are all good.
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
February 02 2014 07:59 GMT
#3496
I tend to avoid watching the Magic, but I have heard mentioned numerous times that Afflalo isn't the defender he once had the reputation of being.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-02 08:42:48
February 02 2014 08:40 GMT
#3497
On February 02 2014 16:59 AxionSteel wrote:
I tend to avoid watching the Magic, but I have heard mentioned numerous times that Afflalo isn't the defender he once had the reputation of being.

It's more like he has to take on the lion's share of the Magic's pitiful offense. Even in Denver, as he added to his offensive game, his defense began to suffer (but it was still much more balanced than it is now.) He's not a #1 or #2 player (in terms of carrying offensive responsibility, not talent,) but he's forced to be one atm.

He'd probably thrive again if he got the chance to be like Iggy.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 02 2014 19:52 GMT
#3498
On February 02 2014 06:37 Jibba wrote:
I think Jason Whitlock is a racist moron, and in that piece he's just being a moron. He's not making any points All he says is "we had Jordan, Magic and Bird - basketball should've been bigger!"

Read the Grantland article for a far better take on Stern's legacy, which rightfully points out Stern's serendipity with Magic and Bird, and some of the other key figures that helped the NBA shift its image in the 80's. It does a much better job highlighting his major mistakes (blaming him for not convincing Kobe to attend Duke is fucking ridiculous) and both the positive and negative repercussions from his actions.

Drug-use went down because the league got a new labor agreement which penalized them severely for it, and a lot of players who couldn't adjust were basically kicked out of basketball. And that's Stern and Fleisher and the other people talked about in the Grantland article. I doubt Whitlock has a clue who Larry Fleisher is.

Show nested quote +
So, handed a remarkable turn of fortune that he helped engineer, what did David Stern do? Well, he grew the brand, as the marketing people say, and he grew it astonishingly well. The value of the franchises has increased tenfold. There are four television networks broadcasting NBA games worldwide. He has managed to stay ahead of the curve technologically, moving the league into the digital age more smoothly than was the case with many other American industries. The players make gobs of money. David Stern’s work here is done.

However, it has come at a price. By marrying the NBA to its “corporate partners,” and by doing it so thoroughly and so well, Stern has cost the league much of its soul, in the fullest meaning of the word. Both the 1998 and the 2011 lockouts were stupid and unnecessary and seemed more than a little like they were more about control and the authority of Stern’s office than they were about money or anything else. (In 2011, Stern gave preposterous interviews in which, channeling his inner Bud Selig, he maintained that 22 NBA teams were losing money, which, I guarantee you, was not something he was telling his corporate partners, or his good friends over in China. This wasn’t Larry O’Brien and Larry Fleisher operating in rare good faith.) He presided over — and indeed, celebrated — the unconscionable hijacking of a franchise from one of the NBA’s most loyal fan bases in Seattle because the city wouldn’t give in to ensemble blackmail and build the team a new arena. The specter of the days when the NBA was thought to be “too black” never has been far from his decision to knuckle Allen Iverson about rap music and to create and enforce a silly dress code that was applauded by great swaths of the nation’s boring people, and to make a buck off the softer side of hip-hop culture while remaining terrified of its tougher precincts.

There is an essential cowardice in all authoritarians, which becomes more obvious as they tighten their grip. In the long view, it’s hard not to come to the conclusion that the more the NBA prospered, and the more tightly it bound itself to the corporate money that swarmed on that success like bugs on honey, the more nervous it got about how wealthy it had become. The more luxurious the palace, the deeper the moat. And David Stern’s primary job over the past two decades has been to dig the moat. He has been the vehicle of the deep insecurity that has come with the NBA’s headlong success.

He has made the league gleam, but he has sanded off its edges, and let that be his legacy. He made a product that people will buy. He has sold the NBA in Qatar, and the guy behind the counter was happy, and so there’s that, and nobody throws pizzas at David Stern anymore, just roses by the handful

http://grantland.com/features/a-commissioners-legacy/


Just saying, but drug use went down in the NBA because drug use went down in America... at least cocaine/crack use.

On February 02 2014 08:28 Ace wrote:
I've commented on this elsewhere, but Whitlock needs to stop this nonsense. He has some good points buried under his usual racist overtones that deflate the message he is trying to send. My biggest issue is him saying Stern didn't do enough to make the NBA more popular (lol?). The NFL is "five times" more popular than the NBA - currently, for reasons well outside of Stern's control.

His stupidity about the NBA and NCAA working to keep kids in school is total crazy talk.


I think this is unfair. Whitlock writes about these black-white issues because nobody else even touches on them. So he seems obsessed with it (I don't think so) because there is almost nothing else. And since he is black, he is like the only one (or Steven A. Smith sometimes) who feels comfortable telling that segment of the population to STFU, which is sorely needed on some topics.
Freeeeeeedom
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-02 20:18:30
February 02 2014 20:17 GMT
#3499
Whether anyone else touches them doesn't mean he should write about them. I've read a lot of his articles and it gets tiring seeing race brought up in every one of them. Race is a problem to some extent, but it isn't the defining reason that things don't work out the way they should. That's his shtick, and as a writer he should know better than to keep pushing that angle. There are so many things to write about in sports and that article shows he knows very little about how the NBA has evolved or what actually happened in the league over the last few decades.

He doesn't get a pass because he's black. As a black man with friends in the sports industry I'll say this - not many of us agree with the stuff he writes. He has his points but they are often taken to ridiculous places, with no actual sense of understanding the issues he writes about. Whitlock doesn't want to solve anything or help anyone, he just wants to complain and be heard.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-02 20:23:15
February 02 2014 20:18 GMT
#3500
I don't really care for Whitlock, in fact, I don't even remember the last article (other than this one) from him that I have read. But I didn't feel he was playing the race card on this, and actually enjoyed the angle he took (hate to keep hearing how good Stern was).

Ace actually kind of covered it in his previous post (not one above this), but the main point of the article was, in essence, a question. Why is the NFL five times more popular than the NBA with basketball having so many more advantages (seemingly) than football? If anything, he is arguing that the race-card should not be an issue and he alludes to that.

I don't expect everyone to agree with it though. His main point was to make us question Stern's legacy. And it was a persuasive argument in my opinion.
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
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