On March 06 2013 16:57 L_Master wrote: I've gotten with 10 pounds of ideal weight before, hopfully I can get there towards start of this summer, but I'm sitting about 20-25 pounds higher than where I would like to be (currently 5'8" 160).
My usual strategy is just to eat relatively healthy, with plenty of fruits and vegetables. Normally about 2,500-3000 Calories a day if the goal is weight loss.
If only it wasn't for food addiction I would easily be there, but I have terrible grazing and binging habits. Going to try and finally break these as much as possible, but it's going to be one hell of a battle.
EDIT: If anyone has thoughts on handling food addiction/extreme sugar/salt/fat type food cravings I'm all ears. 5,000 calorie late night "snacks" make weight loss a b*tch.
On March 06 2013 16:57 L_Master wrote: I've gotten with 10 pounds of ideal weight before, hopfully I can get there towards start of this summer, but I'm sitting about 20-25 pounds higher than where I would like to be (currently 5'8" 160).
My usual strategy is just to eat relatively healthy, with plenty of fruits and vegetables. Normally about 2,500-3000 Calories a day if the goal is weight loss.
If only it wasn't for food addiction I would easily be there, but I have terrible grazing and binging habits. Going to try and finally break these as much as possible, but it's going to be one hell of a battle.
EDIT: If anyone has thoughts on handling food addiction/extreme sugar/salt/fat type food cravings I'm all ears. 5,000 calorie late night "snacks" make weight loss a b*tch.
On March 06 2013 16:57 L_Master wrote: I've gotten with 10 pounds of ideal weight before, hopfully I can get there towards start of this summer, but I'm sitting about 20-25 pounds higher than where I would like to be (currently 5'8" 160).
My usual strategy is just to eat relatively healthy, with plenty of fruits and vegetables. Normally about 2,500-3000 Calories a day if the goal is weight loss.
If only it wasn't for food addiction I would easily be there, but I have terrible grazing and binging habits. Going to try and finally break these as much as possible, but it's going to be one hell of a battle.
EDIT: If anyone has thoughts on handling food addiction/extreme sugar/salt/fat type food cravings I'm all ears. 5,000 calorie late night "snacks" make weight loss a b*tch.
Just....don't eat them. It's all a matter of willpower, and just forcing yourself to let it go for the benefit you receive because of the lack of processed foods, less calories, and 'clean' eating.
On March 06 2013 21:00 HornyHerring wrote: No, everyday is an upperbody workout day, dud! Gotta look like those black guys training with their bodyweight only on youtube, chicken legs are sexy. Smaller legs = bigger looking torso. 50% fact 50% magic 100% results
Are you really mocking him for not doing legs? who cares man, not everyone here pretends to be an aspiring powerlifter. Whatever float his boat, thought that's we agreed here. Plus he was basically sharing his story, was not arrogant at all and even said his method was prolly not optimal. Body Builders have "starved" themselves for almost 6 decades to get ripped and works just fine.
@L_Master
Are you planing to compete at olympic level? I'm saying cause being that low on weight, aside from feeling unhealthy to me, seem extremely detrimental to anything life related. You'll most likely be weak, have low energy and look bad tbh.
I see it as the other side on powerlifters like andy bolton or magnusson, they are fat as fuck and have to spend a ridic amount of money on food. Luckily on middle classes the aesthetic aspects goes closely related to performance, but if I was 6 foot 7 instead of 5 7" I would never pursuit elite level powerlifting (as I am now) just because the trade off to being obese just seems not worth it.
On March 06 2013 16:57 L_Master wrote: I've gotten with 10 pounds of ideal weight before, hopfully I can get there towards start of this summer, but I'm sitting about 20-25 pounds higher than where I would like to be (currently 5'8" 160).
My usual strategy is just to eat relatively healthy, with plenty of fruits and vegetables. Normally about 2,500-3000 Calories a day if the goal is weight loss.
If only it wasn't for food addiction I would easily be there, but I have terrible grazing and binging habits. Going to try and finally break these as much as possible, but it's going to be one hell of a battle.
EDIT: If anyone has thoughts on handling food addiction/extreme sugar/salt/fat type food cravings I'm all ears. 5,000 calorie late night "snacks" make weight loss a b*tch.
So you wanna weigh 140?
Aspiring to be this guy?
He's 5'8... 140-145 and ripped you won't look like a stick.. not everyone wants to look like a bloated steriod user..
On March 06 2013 16:57 L_Master wrote: I've gotten with 10 pounds of ideal weight before, hopfully I can get there towards start of this summer, but I'm sitting about 20-25 pounds higher than where I would like to be (currently 5'8" 160).
My usual strategy is just to eat relatively healthy, with plenty of fruits and vegetables. Normally about 2,500-3000 Calories a day if the goal is weight loss.
If only it wasn't for food addiction I would easily be there, but I have terrible grazing and binging habits. Going to try and finally break these as much as possible, but it's going to be one hell of a battle.
EDIT: If anyone has thoughts on handling food addiction/extreme sugar/salt/fat type food cravings I'm all ears. 5,000 calorie late night "snacks" make weight loss a b*tch.
So you wanna weigh 140?
Aspiring to be this guy?
He's 5'8... 140-145 and ripped you won't look like a stick.. not everyone wants to look like a bloated steriod user..
This is also true. 5'8" 140 is definitely NOT big. You also don't look like a twig though, especially when that's probably a 5-6% BF weight for you.
This is basically 5'8" 140. While no one calls him big, I seriously doubt he would get called a twig all that often.
If you like to look like that go ahead, i won't judge you. But gotunks already mentioned, probably not the healthiest thing to be that underweight. (Let alone go down to 5-6% bodyfat.) He also looks kinda twig-ish to me, but has probably great genetic potential if you look at the shoulders and traps.
On March 07 2013 08:03 glurio wrote: Sorry, i didn't wanna offend anyone with that.
If you like to look like that go ahead, i won't judge you. But gotunks already mentioned, probably not the healthiest thing to be that underweight. (Let alone go down to 5-6% bodyfat.) He also looks kinda twig-ish to me, but has probably great genetic potential if you look at the shoulders and traps.
Meh, I think that it's better to have a balanced look than that of a powerlifter.
The heavy pectoral definition and focus of this age is actually a somewhat recent development. Body builders used to focus on their back and shoulder strength. They wouldn't look very big, but they could lift incredible amounts of weight. They had incredible lung capacities and really open ribcages that were natural looking and powerful.
Even if you don't want that look of having low body fat percentage, it's certainly not unhealthy to maintain that low of a body fat percentage as long as you're eating a diet that you're getting all of your nutrients and not under-eating.
On March 06 2013 21:00 HornyHerring wrote: No, everyday is an upperbody workout day, dud! Gotta look like those black guys training with their bodyweight only on youtube, chicken legs are sexy. Smaller legs = bigger looking torso. 50% fact 50% magic 100% results
@L_Master
Are you planing to compete at olympic level? I'm saying cause being that low on weight, aside from feeling unhealthy to me, seem extremely detrimental to anything life related. You'll most likely be weak, have low energy and look bad tbh.
I see it as the other side on powerlifters like andy bolton or magnusson, they are fat as fuck and have to spend a ridic amount of money on food. Luckily on middle classes the aesthetic aspects goes closely related to performance, but if I was 6 foot 7 instead of 5 7" I would never pursuit elite level powerlifting (as I am now) just because the trade off to being obese just seems not worth it.
Are you planing to compete at olympic level?
No, but I do plan on trying to maximize whatever talent I have as much as possible.
I'm saying cause being that low on weight
That isn't that low of a weight. 5'8" 140 is smack dab in the middle of healthy BMI range, and almost a full 20 pounds from being "underweight". I think this happens alot in society, we are so overweight as a population that when people hear healthy ranges it's so far from the norm that it sounds odd, perhaps even unhealthy.
You'll most likely be weak
Hmm, I guess that all depends on what someone feels like calling weak. I've seen some of the really strong guys in my gym refer to benching at 250 pounds as weak.
I know I certainly have never had an issue with strength in daily life, and I don't really expect to. It's not impressive to anyone that trains seriously in the gym for strength, but I don't think 210 bench, 285 squat, and 165 clean is weak enough that I'm going to have problems with life activities resulting from lack of strength.
have low energy
This one I don't understand. You couldn't possibly train effectively if you didn't have good energy levels. Your workouts would be horribly compromised, nor could you possible support the ins and outs of the general stress of running 100+ mpw if you were truly at too light of a weight.
Even those stickish Kenyan's you see like Asbel Kiprop (6'2"/135, google if you want a pic) are certainly not "too light" or "unhealthy". They may not have much extra muscle, but that isn't really related to health and energy, and they certainly have acceptable body fat levels. You can't run 3:28 1500m and train with multiple hard workouts and high global volume if you are not at a good weight level. Your body will break like a twig under the stress of training if you aren't supremely healthy.
and look bad
Pure opinion on this, as people have massively differing views on good aesthetics.
Meh, 140 pounds is not as bad I the image I had, must be because ppl I know with that weight have 12% bodyfat and therefore look atrocious. But still, I don't get why would anyone ASPIRE to look like any of those guys, I mean, yeah Nick Symmonds can get away with it but the other 2 guys look like twigs to me sorry, and so do all the guys on background on 2nd pic of posts 3097.
On the other hand, almost all powerlifter/oly lifters in middle classes look sick. Specially olylifters. All chinese ones, klokov, akkaev, stoitsov, etc.
On March 07 2013 13:44 GoTuNk! wrote: Meh, 140 pounds is not as bad I the image I had, must be because ppl I know with that weight have 12% bodyfat and therefore look atrocious. But still, I don't get why would anyone ASPIRE to look like any of those guys, I mean, yeah Nick Symmonds can get away with it but the other 2 guys look like twigs to me sorry, and so do all the guys on background on 2nd pic of posts 3097.
On the other hand, almost all powerlifter/oly lifters in middle classes look sick. Specially olylifters. All chinese ones, klokov, akkaev, stoitsov, etc.
You are quite strong though, most 180 pounders and many 200 I know can't lift that lol.
Yea, just totally different ideas about aesthetic appeal haha.
Though, I wouldn't say I aspire for that look. It wouldn't be my ideal look if I had zero interest in athletic performace ; but that sort of weight range is what you need to run fast which IS the goal. Essentially for me form follows function. Being 160, 170, or bigger just doesn't work very well, as it gets to be too much weight to carry.
Though to me getting much bigger than a Symmonds type look is getting to be bigger than I would want to be even for aesthetics. The look of a 100m sprinter like Bolt would be, for me, pushing the limits.
I know though for alot of you a guy like him is on the small side. Truly different strokes for different folks XD
Different things work for different people. That goes for training and nutrition. Some can maintain muscle size for a while with a substantial reduction in calories. Others will probably get skinny.
Another example is that today most people say you need lots of good carbs to get the energy to lift at your best. Tell that to the Golden Age bodybuilders like Arnold who only focused on high protein, low carb, all year round. Then there's also thousands of ways to train and get good results.
I'm surprised many people on the TL Health and Fitness forums are so fixed on what they believe to be the most optimal training methods and diet. The only thing everyone should agree on is mixing up your routines, so the muscles can't adapt.
With regards to health, I don't see why so many people argue about this, let alone bring it up. Building muscle isn't going to make you live longer anyway. If I cared that much about health, I'd be a vegetarian marathon runner, living in a secluded part of the world where the soil isn't polluted. When I'm older, more mature, and less concerned about my physique, I might just do that.
On March 08 2013 05:56 Thor.Rush wrote:Another example is that today most people say you need lots of good carbs to get the energy to lift at your best. Tell that to the Golden Age bodybuilders like Arnold who only focused on high protein, low carb, all year round. Then there's also thousands of ways to train and get good results.
Golden Age bodybuilders also used steroids as they were legal back then, so dont get inspiration from those guys unless its purely motivational.
On March 08 2013 05:56 Thor.Rush wrote:The only thing everyone should agree on is mixing up your routines, so the muscles can't adapt.
Wouldn't be so sure.
On March 08 2013 05:56 Thor.Rush wrote:Building muscle isn't going to make you live longer anyway.
On March 08 2013 05:56 Thor.Rush wrote:Another example is that today most people say you need lots of good carbs to get the energy to lift at your best. Tell that to the Golden Age bodybuilders like Arnold who only focused on high protein, low carb, all year round. Then there's also thousands of ways to train and get good results.
Golden Age bodybuilders also used steroids as they were legal back then, so dont get inspiration from those guys unless its purely motivational.
On March 08 2013 05:56 Thor.Rush wrote: Different things work for different people. That goes for training and nutrition. Some can maintain muscle size for a while with a substantial reduction in calories. Others will probably get skinny.
Another example is that today most people say you need lots of good carbs to get the energy to lift at your best. Tell that to the Golden Age bodybuilders like Arnold who only focused on high protein, low carb, all year round. Then there's also thousands of ways to train and get good results.
I'm surprised many people on the TL Health and Fitness forums are so fixed on what they believe to be the most optimal training methods and diet. The only thing everyone should agree on is mixing up your routines, so the muscles can't adapt.
With regards to health, I don't see why so many people argue about this, let alone bring it up. Building muscle isn't going to make you live longer anyway. If I cared that much about health, I'd be a vegetarian marathon runner, living in a secluded part of the world where the soil isn't polluted. When I'm older, more mature, and less concerned about my physique, I might just do that.
I don't agree on the necessity of mixing up routines at all. I've been doing probably 90% of my workouts as heavy singles of squats snatches and clean&jerks for over two years and it's been working out great.
Lol, being too thin is unhealthy? American powerlifters talking, hahaha. Twisted sense of what is healthy. Every so often you see some comment come up where an American, mostly female, runner asks a question about what is 'too thin' because her overweight SAD-diet family members are worried about her health.
Those 5000 kcal snacks probably do more harm to his health than being as thin as he would be if he didn't ate them.
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