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On March 19 2013 00:56 Tadatomo wrote:
Not trying to convince. You can lose weight on any diet as long as you diet. But people that binge on fruit seem fatter to you than people who binge on meat and processed foods with high dairy?
Not saying this is evidence. Just pointing this out for irony's sake. The guy who thinks fruit makes you fat because it spikes blood sugar is probably overweight himself.
Dedicated to mr tadatomo:
+ Show Spoiler +I was at (starting weight was 66kg) 95kg with 9% fat, I lost a lot of mass because of a long term shoulder injury. I know all about nutrition, macronutrition, micronutrition, anatomy, muscle functions, different types of workouts, hypertrophy, nervous system stressing/training, have been at it for years and years. And you're claiming that I'm an overweight person for saying fructose creates a huge insulin spike? Funny guy  . This is a picture I took last week: ![[image loading]](http://www.dutchbodybuilding.com/gallery/data/500/IMAG0589.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i46.tinypic.com/2hwivdj.jpg) Here's more info I posted only yesterday: Click(Yes I am tall, 1m95 // 6'4") . Yes I lost a lot of weight because of my shoulder injury, as I got a bit down/depressed and really was like 'F- it all', but I am picking it up again. The fact that you have to go ad hominem om someone, in order to discredit him as you disagree with that person, really says a lot about you. What says even more about you, is going ad hominem on someone you don't even remotely know. You have no idea who I am, you have no idea what I had achieved thus far with bodybuilding and you are just making awkward wild assumptions. I'm not sure why you're out to offend me so heavily.
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hes just trying to troll. ignore him
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To get ready for summer, I just eat a lot of chicken and get into a fight with some mexican chicks in the parking lot.
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Holy shit Kaluro great muscles for 6 4!!
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I don't like seeing nice people waste their time so, just in case someone hadn't realized yet or is new here, I'm like 90% sure tadatomo is hanakurena/miyoshino again. And despite what he might think he hasn't been banned previously for having a differing view. But because he just can't argue in a rational manner and then has to resort to being an absolute condescending dick.
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well. i eat lots of protein and food that tastes like shit mostly. then i also work out. and i eat very little sugars.
example day diet:
breakfast: coffee and hatred
preworkout: 10 g bcaa to get rid of the worst catabolism
postworkout: some supplements, fish oil mostly
lunch: since i'm too lazy to bring lunch boxes i'll have to eat out, meaning a shitty, fatty, retarded piece of cheap shit
afternoon: protein shake, coffee and bitterness
evening meal: boiled(easiest and doesnt burn as often) shit tasting cheap GMO chicken boiled with broccoli for less dishwashing and worse taste, enjoyed with a side of water/tears
i would also recommend smoking cigarettes instead of eating its awesome
dope not so good, bad munchies
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On March 19 2013 16:39 4thHatchery wrote:
And despite what he might think he hasn't been banned previously for having a differing view.
They admit otherwise in PMs.
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Apparently Tadatomo was a PBU.
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On March 19 2013 20:04 sJarl wrote:
Apparently Tadatomo was a PBU.
That explains it. Not many people turn up on TL as brand new users and start off being so combative in such a niche area of the website.
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On March 19 2013 11:13 sc4k wrote:
Holy shit Kaluro great muscles for 6 4!!
Funny you say that. I dropped from 95kg down to 76kg after a shoulder injury and connected depression.
Ate way too little, didnt(couldnt) workout:-).. and these pictures are from 76kg.
I have a very ectomorphic and thus light frame, so every bit of weight that adds on to me, looks much bigger than if you'd take a person that has a much heavier default frame.
I'll make more pictures once I get back to 85kg+, thanks though! <3!
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If that's you when you are at your lightest and sickness-ridden...then you must be insane when you are pumped up and fully healthy lol!!! Kind of like the difference here haha:
![[image loading]](http://www.culturistas.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/dorian-yates.jpg)
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Yeah, I wouldn't have believed that you had this much on you only 76kg at 6'4". That bulk is going to do something good for you I believe.
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I have a small frame too, so at 78kg I look just as big as my friend who's 88kg, same height. Can't judge by the scale, only the mirror.
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On March 20 2013 00:56 Thor.Rush wrote:
I have a small frame too, so at 78kg I look just as big as my friend who's 88kg, same height. Can't judge by the scale, only the mirror.
I have a rectangle frame  . I'm 90kg but look about 70. Sucks to be me.
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On March 19 2013 23:58 kaluro wrote:Funny you say that. I dropped from 95kg down to 76kg after a shoulder injury and connected depression. Ate way too little, didnt(couldnt) workout:-).. and these pictures are from 76kg. I have a very ectomorphic and thus light frame, so every bit of weight that adds on to me, looks much bigger than if you'd take a person that has a much heavier default frame. I'll make more pictures once I get back to 85kg+, thanks though! <3!
i'm 6'4/193 cm and 80-85kg depending on the day, i look about half your size and i have quite a small frame too. i'll post some pictures later today (80kg right now) and then maybe ill take more when i get back to 85-ish.
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On March 18 2013 22:41 phyre112 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 22:32 kaluro wrote:On March 04 2013 09:01 eshlow wrote:
1. Lift heavy weights.
2. Eat 200-500 kcals below maintanance
3. 1 g/lbs protein
4. Sleep a lot
Get rid of the wheat crackers and eat fruit instead.
Not sure why you want to starve yourself.... Fruit contains lots of fructose (and dextrose) which are sugars that generate an absurdly high insulin peak, much higher than for example sucrose or lactose. If you want to lose fat, you should go for carbs that don't generate such high peaks (rice, potatoes, bread, pasta). Because as we all know, insulin peaks is thé main transport unit to get that fat into the fat cells. Wheat crackers are so much better than fruit, especially when combined with other foods that reduce the inslun peak (fats and proteins). Your advice is 'Ok" but way too simplistic to get any good results. He has to calculate all of his macro nutriënt intakes, not just proteins. You're also much better off eating ON maintenance and creating a shortage through cardio, that way you are more 'insured' to lose as little muscle mass as possible while optimizing fat loss. The main thing he wants is not weight loss, it's fat loss. In a cutting diet(which generally consists of low carbs), fats are just as important, if not more, than proteins. If you've been around this forum for any length of time at all, you'll know that eshlow advocates a paleo diet. If you get into the argument about grains with him, you are going to get study bombed and you are going to lose. The advice is simplistic because cutting is simple. Eat less than you burn, get your protein, keep lifting heavy, sleep enough to recover. Both not sleeping and "creating your shortage through cardio" put your body at a disadvantageous hormone composition to maintain your muscle mass. If you're going to do cardio, do short, intense cardio (sprints, hill sprints, sled work, tire work, sledgehammer work, etc.) but the only thing that cardio really does well is increase your cardiovascular capacity, not cut weight. Fats are always important in any diet. No one said anything about not getting in your fats.
got a question about fats - i know not all fats are the same, and of course some are better than others. i know fatty fish is good for you and i take fish oill.i sometimes use olive oil, coconut oil, grapeseed oil, in my food. what about fat from chicken? or beef? pork? duck? lamb? i like eating meat that's not like 95% lean just because it tastes better and the texture is nice. i also like eating the skin when i make chicken thighs or drumsticks.is this healthy? i'm just wondering from a completely health-related perspective, not talking about cutting or anything. just health in general.
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depends on the source of the meat. grassfed animals have good fats which I always eat. I usually try not to eat the fat otherwise.
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On March 19 2013 02:53 Deadeight wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 22:32 kaluro wrote:On March 04 2013 09:01 eshlow wrote:
1. Lift heavy weights.
2. Eat 200-500 kcals below maintanance
3. 1 g/lbs protein
4. Sleep a lot
Get rid of the wheat crackers and eat fruit instead.
Not sure why you want to starve yourself.... Fruit contains lots of fructose (and dextrose) which are sugars that generate an absurdly high insulin peak, much higher than for example sucrose or lactose. If you want to lose fat, you should go for carbs that don't generate such high peaks (rice, potatoes, bread, pasta). Because as we all know, insulin peaks is thé main transport unit to get that fat into the fat cells. Why does that even matter? So your insulin peaks and you make some fat, how does that change how many calories you're burning? After the insulin peak the blood sugar will drop and glucagon will be released, turning fat stores into blood sugar. How does eating a particular sugar mean that your body then just burns fewer calories? I'm no expert, I genuinely want to know why it's not just Calories In < Calories Out.
Hi!
(I'm new in this TL section, and I don't post on this forum all too often)
The thing is, when your insuline peaks, you make fat AND your testosterone levels plummit, which means : less anabolic activity in your muscles.
Besides, fat burning takes some time to bring the energy to your muscles, resulting in muscle catabolism (destruction of your own amino acids to create energy). Now we all know this is unavoidable and even necessary to build muscle while sleeping, but this should be avoided.
I'm dieting right now. I started at 83kg mid-September (5"8/173cm), currently at 68-72kg, only by switching from a pizza-based diet to a healthy diet, and starting working out (cardio at least one hour a week, and weightlifting three times a week). Right now I'm doing at the very least 3 hours of cardio every week (1-2hours running, 2hours boxing), and I go to the gym 5 times a week (split routine, ofc).
Anyway, here's what it boils down to :
- After wake up : glass of water + bcaa or protein shake (25% whey 75% casein), a little bit of almonds, 2x125g of almost fat and carb-free yoghurt
- Lunch break : homemade sandwich : bread (I remove the crumb inside, since it's pure carbs) + 2 slices of cheese, half a can of tuna, baked beans (I remove the sauce, leaving almost carb & fat free beans, with very high fiber content that slows down digestion a lot), 150g of chicken breast & pepper.
- Depending on the day of the week, I can add a protein shake around 4
- Dinner : well yesterday night, I ate : an apple, three yoghurts, half a can of tuna (tastes really awful by itself by the way) & a bcaa shake.
Pre-workout : Muscletech's NeuroCore (mainly contains caffeine, 1,3 DMAA & Creatine HCl) shake w/ bcaa (on workout days, the bcaa shake is the only protein shake I drink since they say not to drink any other proteins during the rest of the day, probably already hard work for the digestive system to process 10grams of bcaa)
Post-workout : an apple, and lots of sleep
Background :
Genetic tendency for obesity, biological & chemical engineering college student (after graduating, I'll either go for neuroscience or nutritional science or pure chemistry in order to then get a doctorate and do chem research). I still manage to have quite a bit of free time (and I live like 200 meters from the gym, so I lose no time getting there).
I'll be trying some fat loss supplements since I really have trouble getting rid of my belly fat (I don't have a lot to lose left, but I want sculpted abs). For the first time in my life, I've been complimented on my looks like a month ago and more and more people are doing it. I can't describe how happy that makes me feel.
The supplements I'll be taking are :
- NutreX Research's Lipo6X (stimulants, diuretics & compounds that supposedly help get rid of fat and that lower hunger) ; pills
- Biotech USA's L-Carnitine + Chrome (well, the name is quite clear : contains L-Carnitine that helps the breaking down of fat so that they can be transported and used in mitochondria to produce ATP) ; drink
- Okygen's CLA (well... it's CLA, rumored to help achieve fat loss goals)
These three products have (or rather, should have) synergic activity, even though I can't comment on it right now (my supply should last for about a month, I have maybe 5 to 10 pounds of fat to lose, so not a whole lot, I've already lost like 20-30kg of fat (and gained a lot of muscle mass).
When I run out of these, I'll make sure to comment on this thread again to let you know whether they worked or not.
I'm not expecting much out of them, since I'm really skeptical on their effects, but since I'm also really curious, I've decided to try. A bunch of reviews said that Lipo6X works, we'll see about that. It does contain compounds that WILL lower hunger (amphetamine-like compounds) and several stimulants to keep you going (again, amphetamine-like molecules do that very well, especially when used with caffeine).
For those of you who might wonder, I'll discontinue using my NeuroCore pre-workout when I'm on Lipo6X because they both have a lot of caffeine in it (they recommend gradually going up to 4 pills a day, each containing 100mg of caffeine, and one scoop of NeuroCore contains 100mg too, so maybe I'll use 2 pills of Lipo6X and still have my NeuroCore shake, I don't know).
I was going to write more but I gotta dress and prepare my stuff, since I'll be off to the gym in a few mins.
Edit : By the way, if anyone here's looking for a good pre-workout, the NeuroCore works is wickedly good. Extremely effective stimulant, gets you going for up to maybe two hours and gives you the ability to lift the same weight at the end of your session than you would if you'd began with that particular exercise (due to : increased bloodflow, heartrate, adrenaline release, ...)
Edit nr 2 : forgot to add a couple background information : I'm 20 and live with 5 roommates on campus. I neither drink nor smoke.
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Ah thanks Adel, that's the explanation I was looking for (assuming it's correct).
I looked at some stuff like Clenbuterol but it turns out it's not so legal, and also banned in competitions. I'd quite like to at least enter a tested power lifting competition before I turn 24, because my numbers are good enough to qualify for nationals in the 18-23 category (especially if I move down a category in my cut). Once I'm 24 though I'm in the open category and the numbers are significantly higher. I refuse to take Clen and then compete in a drug-free comp.
I also never even have caffeine. I don't drink tea/coffee and I don't like coke or anything. Maybe I should just try some caffeine stuff, I just have never felt like I needed it.
Would pre-workout caffeine stuff mean you then have less energy when you come off it? If so it's not something I want to go near.
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