Well that whole thing was pretty dumb. It's the internet.
Personally I would probably rather use a leg press than a smith machine if I had to, but I also would never have that choice to make. The fact that your gym doesn't have a squat rack, to many here, will come across as a lame excuse. For a month across Easter I had to drive 40 minutes to get to the gym, because that's just how far I had to go. If you wanted it you would find time, you'd change gym, you'd build a squat rack, you would learn to do cleans instead, or any other option.
If you don't want to take it seriously then that's cool, most gym goers don't. If that's the case though you can pretty much go to the gym and do what you like and you'll probably be happy with the results.
On April 21 2013 02:14 Deadeight wrote: Well that whole thing was pretty dumb. It's the internet.
Personally I would probably rather use a leg press than a smith machine if I had to, but I also would never have that choice to make. The fact that your gym doesn't have a squat rack, to many here, will come across as a lame excuse. For a month across Easter I had to drive 40 minutes to get to the gym, because that's just how far I had to go. If you wanted it you would find time, you'd change gym, you'd build a squat rack, you would learn to do cleans instead, or any other option.
If you don't want to take it seriously then that's cool, most gym goers don't. If that's the case though you can pretty much go to the gym and do what you like and you'll probably be happy with the results.
Is it really that hard to understand? I had 5x5 stronglifts with
Day 1: Squats, Benchpress, Barbell Rows Day 2: Squats, Overheadpress, Deadlifts
for a long time. I had injury and I don't want to risk it again. Thats why I want to prevent squatting. It has nothing to do with being
a) lazy b) not serious about it
I can guarantee you that I train just as hard as everyone else, if not harder. I had days where I nearly blacked out or threw up, so you can tell I was at my very limit. I really don't understand why you want to educate me on the basic system of workout, when I was just asking for the amount of training. I am very well aware that no machine based work out is as effective as a 3x5 or 5x5 program with basic-movement-exercise. Does it make it less valid or not-serious? No it does not.
My gym is good, its a smaller gym and I really don't like the massive gyms for hundrets of people, thats just how it is. If you don't like the gym, you will not go. Also for distance, I go after I went to work, I get up at 4:50AM and leave work at 2:15PM or 15:15PM and I can go the the gym 1 hour and 15 minutes later directly from work. Basically I have very little left from my day after the workout.
I don't know how it shows your are more serious than me, just because you drive further. I just don't have time to travel to a gym for another 1 1/2 hours taking off my day. Also about the squatrack, I was looking into buying one, but its
a) not very cheap b) I already have; lat-pull tower, bench, dumbbells, bars.... I really don't want to put everything into my living room, especially when I have a gym membership now.
As I said, the only thing I could do is squat in the multipress, because you will agree with me when I say that its very VERY dumb to actually squat when you have no security in form of a rack, at least when you get to certain weights right?
Cleans are not as effective as squats... if you are talking about legs, I would dare to say?
Okay dude, let's settle this stupid argument, this is what you said:
Squats - I don't have a squatrack at home and had knee injury and had to stop squats, because I seem to be a technic retard, thats why I stopped them and really don't feel like re-working them, because I am kind of afraid to fuck up . Also I don't like to re-arrange weights neither in the gym nor at home all the time. (could do them @ multipress, but yeah..)
You gave three reasons to why you wouldn't squat: 1. you don't have a rack 2. you've had knee injuries before (without specifying how severe) because you seemed to be 'a technique retard' and you are afraid to fuck up 3. you don't want to re-arrange weights
Okay, the only reasonably valid one is number 2, and you said yourself that your technique was bad. I see people trying to help you overcome your fears and unwillingness to perform one of the best exercises, then you throw a hissy fit and start being hostile. Only then do you tell people about how severe your injuries were, blah blah blah, and give the bottom line that you don't do squats.
Why didn't you just say squats were out of the question because you've had prohibitive injuries in the past, instead of giving three irrelevant excuses in the first place? Regardless of your intention, it's just sounded lame, and that's how people interpreted your text, because you know, we can't read minds across the Internet.
Regarding your work out plans
Why don't you do it yourself and see whether it works? I can probably do your workout while you can't, or vice versa, right? If it's too hard, do less; too easy, do more?
I have no idea what you are talking about w.r.t. your last comment on SL (are you starting SL on Monday?) Just follow the program, why you want to do it five times a week is beyond me. If you want to do leg presses or smith machines instead of squats, that's fine, just follow the damn program and make the necessary substitutions.
Cleans would still be better than just leg press. Yeah, cleans aren't going to develop the same strength that a squat will, but if you learn to clean you can get the bar off the floor and then do some front squat reps. No rack required.
You could squat light and learn the correct form and not injure yourself. If you're unable to do that, then you shouldn't be on the leg press either. You know you could squat safely it'd just take time and may be a hassle. I'm not saying you're not serious about it compared to the average person, but compared to some people here you aren't, that's why you got the reaction you did.
You agree that squat is a better exercise, but you can't then claim you're super serious whilst knowingly using an inferior exercise. I'm not calling you lazy or anything, far from it, I'm just saying that your priorities are not the same, which is fine. I'm not criticising you. Like, I train shot put and I work really hard when I'm throwing, but it's not a top priority in my life so I'm not on the same program as an Olympian.
I responded by being hostile when someone with no information about me went on a rant of how shit weak I am. To me thats unreasonable and just being a dick, if thats okay with you (especially if I look at your country I would consider its not) fine. I'll just leave it, as the only person willing to discuss on a level that is acceptable or actually reads the post seems to be the OP.
If a simple question is too hard to answer , simply don't. You (finally) for example gave the answer to the only question I did ask.
'I can probably do your workout while you can't, or vice versa, right? If it's too hard, do less; too easy, do more?
Thats all I wanted to know. You ask me why I want to increase workouts / trainingdays. Its simple, I'm not very patient and its all going to slow for me. I would like to force it to go faster, but it just doesn't work. I am very well aware of it, it still annoys me. And if you ask me if I start SL 5x5 on monday, now. I just apply the 5x5 system to my workout routine.
I will see if I can get a vid of me squatting , because there's one thing you are right about, squatting is one of the best exercise and its the only one I am missing to do 5x5. Overheadpress gave my shoulder trouble though.
On April 21 2013 02:58 Deadeight wrote: Cleans would still be better than just leg press. Yeah, cleans aren't going to develop the same strength that a squat will, but if you learn to clean you can get the bar off the floor and then do some front squat reps. No rack required.
You could squat light and learn the correct form and not injure yourself. If you're unable to do that, then you shouldn't be on the leg press either. You know you could squat safely it'd just take a of time and may be a hassle. I'm not saying you're not serious about it compared to the average person, but compared to some people here you aren't, that's why you got the reaction you did.
You agree that squat is a better exercise, but you can't then claim you're super serious whilst knowingly using an inferior exercise. I'm not calling you lazy or anything, far from it, I'm just saying that your priorities are not the same, which is fine. I'm not criticising you. Like, I train shot put and I work really hard when I'm throwing, but it's not a top priority in my life so I'm not on the same program as an Olympian.
First off thanks for the reply. I could look into cleans, from the movement it can be paired with doing an overheadpress after, I guess (before going down again). I could do both, front and regular squats without a rack as long as I start low, but with increasing weight (and this goes fast with legs) there is no security to put it down, thats what is a huge risk, next to the knee-injury risk. Simply afraid of it.
Also, no serious person about lifting and sports (especially experienced) would give you such a dick reaction like that guy did. Also as I mentioned, with light weights your form may look good, but if you increase weights, your technique check is good and your knee still feels funny, what are you supposed to do?
I am not unwilling to squat, but I am unwilling to destroy my body, I don't see how that results in me being not as serious, but you at least are not a dick in your answer.
On April 21 2013 03:00 Type|NarutO wrote: I responded by being hostile when someone with no information about me went on a rant of how shit weak I am. To me thats unreasonable and just being a dick
Just ignore it, you'll be a lot happier. Especially with people you don't even know over the internet.
Just felt like stopping by again and dropping my most recent stats:
178cm, 71kg (started @ 60kg), 8-9months liftaning squat 107,5kg deadlift 120kg (too low for the squat I know) bench 70kg press 40kg (I just don't progress on it) all for 5 reps
I finally got myself some chalk so I'll see how that goes with my deadlifts, grip strength is kind of a limiting factor for me, my left forearm always gives out before I finish a rep or set properly. Also I do 3x5 squats and 3x5 presses before the deadlifts, while that might be part of the reason why my deadlift progress isn't as it good as I'd like it to be I think it's not, because I still throw around babby weights. Yea, and the press is just shit, stalling for like forever, all I do for upper body pushing is pretty much presses, bench presses and dips.
On April 21 2013 03:25 decaf wrote: Just felt like stopping by again and dropping my most recent stats:
178cm, 71kg (started @ 60kg), 8-9months liftaning squat 107,5kg deadlift 120kg (too low for the squat I know) bench 70kg press 40kg (I just don't progress on it) all for 5 reps
I finally got myself some chalk so I'll see how that goes with my deadlifts, grip strength is kind of a limiting factor for me, my left forearm always gives out before I finish a rep or set properly. Also I do 3x5 squats and 3x5 presses before the deadlifts, while that might be part of the reason why my deadlift progress isn't as it good as I'd like it to be I think it's not, because I still throw around babby weights. Yea, and the press is just shit, stalling for like forever, all I do for upper body pushing is pretty much presses, bench presses and dips.
178 60kg start? Wow holy shit. Do you have a picture? I am 176 75kg right now and I consider myself not super fat but chubby... but I know if I lose 5kg I will be thin. How the hell does 60kg look on 178? :D
On April 21 2013 03:25 decaf wrote: Just felt like stopping by again and dropping my most recent stats:
178cm, 71kg (started @ 60kg), 8-9months liftaning squat 107,5kg deadlift 120kg (too low for the squat I know) bench 70kg press 40kg (I just don't progress on it) all for 5 reps
I finally got myself some chalk so I'll see how that goes with my deadlifts, grip strength is kind of a limiting factor for me, my left forearm always gives out before I finish a rep or set properly. Also I do 3x5 squats and 3x5 presses before the deadlifts, while that might be part of the reason why my deadlift progress isn't as it good as I'd like it to be I think it's not, because I still throw around babby weights. Yea, and the press is just shit, stalling for like forever, all I do for upper body pushing is pretty much presses, bench presses and dips.
178 60kg start? Wow holy shit. Do you have a picture? I am 176 75kg right now and I consider myself not super fat but chubby... but I know if I lose 5kg I will be thin. How the hell does 60kg look on 178? :D
On April 21 2013 03:25 decaf wrote: Just felt like stopping by again and dropping my most recent stats:
178cm, 71kg (started @ 60kg), 8-9months liftaning squat 107,5kg deadlift 120kg (too low for the squat I know) bench 70kg press 40kg (I just don't progress on it) all for 5 reps
I finally got myself some chalk so I'll see how that goes with my deadlifts, grip strength is kind of a limiting factor for me, my left forearm always gives out before I finish a rep or set properly. Also I do 3x5 squats and 3x5 presses before the deadlifts, while that might be part of the reason why my deadlift progress isn't as it good as I'd like it to be I think it's not, because I still throw around babby weights. Yea, and the press is just shit, stalling for like forever, all I do for upper body pushing is pretty much presses, bench presses and dips.
Fantastic progress mate. Chalk really is essential for deadlifts IMO, they make grip strength way less of a factor. Doing higher volume stuff really did wonders for my press. Don't worry about your deadlift proportionality imo, grip will help and lot and furthermore some people simply have an advantage at doing them (I deadlifted 200kg with a squat of 140).
Also if I came across as a dick to anyone; it's how I talk. I tend to be bro-mode unless it's a really delicate case. I am also fully aware that I at a pretty lean 90kg at 1.96m I am neither big nor strong, and I have years of training ahead of me.
On April 21 2013 03:25 decaf wrote: Just felt like stopping by again and dropping my most recent stats:
178cm, 71kg (started @ 60kg), 8-9months liftaning squat 107,5kg deadlift 120kg (too low for the squat I know) bench 70kg press 40kg (I just don't progress on it) all for 5 reps
I finally got myself some chalk so I'll see how that goes with my deadlifts, grip strength is kind of a limiting factor for me, my left forearm always gives out before I finish a rep or set properly. Also I do 3x5 squats and 3x5 presses before the deadlifts, while that might be part of the reason why my deadlift progress isn't as it good as I'd like it to be I think it's not, because I still throw around babby weights. Yea, and the press is just shit, stalling for like forever, all I do for upper body pushing is pretty much presses, bench presses and dips.
178 60kg start? Wow holy shit. Do you have a picture? I am 176 75kg right now and I consider myself not super fat but chubby... but I know if I lose 5kg I will be thin. How the hell does 60kg look on 178? :D
I also think your gains are very good
A hell of a lot better than it looks on 193, like I was when I started. You'd be surprised at how skinny you can actually get at a given bodyweight, especially if you don't have any muscle at all underneath it.
On April 21 2013 03:25 decaf wrote: Just felt like stopping by again and dropping my most recent stats:
178cm, 71kg (started @ 60kg), 8-9months liftaning squat 107,5kg deadlift 120kg (too low for the squat I know) bench 70kg press 40kg (I just don't progress on it) all for 5 reps
I finally got myself some chalk so I'll see how that goes with my deadlifts, grip strength is kind of a limiting factor for me, my left forearm always gives out before I finish a rep or set properly. Also I do 3x5 squats and 3x5 presses before the deadlifts, while that might be part of the reason why my deadlift progress isn't as it good as I'd like it to be I think it's not, because I still throw around babby weights. Yea, and the press is just shit, stalling for like forever, all I do for upper body pushing is pretty much presses, bench presses and dips.
178 60kg start? Wow holy shit. Do you have a picture? I am 176 75kg right now and I consider myself not super fat but chubby... but I know if I lose 5kg I will be thin. How the hell does 60kg look on 178? :D
I also think your gains are very good
A hell of a lot better than it looks on 193, like I was when I started. You'd be surprised at how skinny you can actually get at a given bodyweight, especially if you don't have any muscle at all underneath it.
Wow... that was massively underweight then? Really concerning actually wtf. Like that ? At least it sounds like it
If you check his latest clean video, he got huge.. that boy is a monster. Can't wait to see him compete in 2016, while Ilya Ilin cannot be beaten, I'll sure be rooting for Clarence~
Clarence on the clean video:
This could have been better, I readjusted my grip recently and I'm not used to racking weights. Moving up bodyweight requires change of technique, I will need more time to get used to this new grip, also my wrists are less flexible than before.
I find that interesting. I don't do weightlifting, but I'm guessing bigger biceps could affect the rack position, but decaf #1 (yes you have the honor of being the #1 ) probably knows better than me. I'd also like to know what kind of changes he made to his grip exactly.
On April 21 2013 03:25 decaf wrote: Just felt like stopping by again and dropping my most recent stats:
178cm, 71kg (started @ 60kg), 8-9months liftaning squat 107,5kg deadlift 120kg (too low for the squat I know) bench 70kg press 40kg (I just don't progress on it) all for 5 reps
I finally got myself some chalk so I'll see how that goes with my deadlifts, grip strength is kind of a limiting factor for me, my left forearm always gives out before I finish a rep or set properly. Also I do 3x5 squats and 3x5 presses before the deadlifts, while that might be part of the reason why my deadlift progress isn't as it good as I'd like it to be I think it's not, because I still throw around babby weights. Yea, and the press is just shit, stalling for like forever, all I do for upper body pushing is pretty much presses, bench presses and dips.
178 60kg start? Wow holy shit. Do you have a picture? I am 176 75kg right now and I consider myself not super fat but chubby... but I know if I lose 5kg I will be thin. How the hell does 60kg look on 178? :D
I also think your gains are very good
A hell of a lot better than it looks on 193, like I was when I started. You'd be surprised at how skinny you can actually get at a given bodyweight, especially if you don't have any muscle at all underneath it.
Holy shit. That's not a healthy weight at all for that height.
There was a girl in the gym today, I'd say around 65-70kg bodyweight, and she low bar-squatted 100kg for 2 reps, probably even to legal depth (which cannot be said for her companion at 140kg... only 15-20cm missing there... but at least he was obnoxious and loud). That's not something you see everyday. I also tried a leg press for the first time in my life and did 5reps with 310kg full ROM. What a strange exercise.
Could you guys technique check my deadlift? Would be nice Decided to at least get squats+deadlift with the proper technique after all, I mean... in the end even if the dutch guy didn't come off very nice, overall you guys are right. Deadlifts and squats are just very good workout routines.
Squats I can probably do in the multipress, deadlifts I'll do at home until I run out of kgs to add.^^
On April 21 2013 20:20 Type|NarutO wrote: Could you guys technique check my deadlift? Would be nice Decided to at least get squats+deadlift with the proper technique after all, I mean... in the end even if the dutch guy didn't come off very nice, overall you guys are right. Deadlifts and squats are just very good workout routines.
Squats I can probably do in the multipress, deadlifts I'll do at home until I run out of kgs to add.^^
EPT![[image loading]](http://cdn.wegotthiscovered.com/wp-content/uploads/christian-bale-the-machinist.jpeg)
) probably knows better than me.
Decided to at least get squats+deadlift with the proper technique after all, I mean... in the end even if the dutch guy didn't come off very nice, overall you guys are right. Deadlifts and squats are just very good workout routines.
