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On April 20 2013 05:04 selboN wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2013 19:40 sJarl wrote: @NarutO: It has something to do with perspective. I'm about 185cm and around 93kg but I feel small at the moment (at least compared when I was nearing 100kg bw. Even then I was among the smaller guys in my gym (but that gym is bad for perspective since some guys there are around 170kg @ 2.10m with a 6pack lol). 374lbs, ~10% bf, and almost 7ft tall? How did you get a membership to Mount Olympus?
Sjarl literally trains in a palace of genetic gods
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Failed my 157.5 kg deadlift last week, reset it to 150 today, failed again. Stalled badly in both OHP and bench. FML.
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Awesome training today:
snatch with pause at knee 115, 125, 135, 145, 150, 155, 160x, 160, 165x clean+hang clean from knee+2 fs+jerk 135, 165, 175, 185, 185x, 190 (i was really surprise to stick the jerk on this one) birthday squats! bodyweight (180)x23.
The squats were SO brutal haha, first ten were easy but that was it. It was awesome lol. I'll post vid in oly thread!
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On April 20 2013 06:04 sJarl wrote:Spoilered because of the size. + Show Spoiler +Hafþór Júlíus, going to do it big in the strongman events. It took quite a while to stop staring when he came into the house lol.
He makes that phone look like a toy.
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Snatch - 50 70 80 90 100 110 120x 100 105 110 115 120 125x CJ - 50 70 90 100 110 120 130 140
Rugby game tomorrow!
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330lb Deadlift today for 5 reps :D 2x bodyweight finally    
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[QUOTE]On April 20 2013 09:18 Deadeight wrote: [QUOTE]On April 20 2013 06:04 sJarl wrote: Spoilered because of the size. [/QUOTE]
I see what you did there.
As some may know or not know I felt like having shoulder injury and went to see a doc. Turns out everything is/was alright so I don't know where that pain came from, but it seems like it was my head getting to me. Well, anyways also decided to hit the gym instead of working out at home. Got everything I need basically, but it feels better in the gym.
I did work out (with breaks) for about 2 years I guess, but was slumping/injury-blocked for some time. Well to try something new I went from 5x5 stronglifts to 5 sets (2 warmup, 3 work) and 12 reps until I cannot increase weigth anymore. My goal basically is not building up a ton, but being athletic and on very low body fat. Well I feel like I cannot increase the weight with the reps I do, but still wanted to ask what you think about if its possible (for me) to do it 5 times a week:
Program would be
2 warmup sets, 3 worksets for following (I'll only put weight on the work set, also its all machine stuff, because I wanted to try it. I am very well aware that its not as effective, but I don't want to feel funny with squats anymore and might get my head to think about injury again)
Pull ups | -35kg Rows | 45kg Chest incline | 35kg Leg extension | 62,5kg Leg curl | 42,5kg (currently stopped this, will do leg press to replace, this feels funny below my knee and gives me troubles) Butterfly | 35kg Chestpress | 35kg Side lateral raise | 30kg (machine, so its both shoulders) shoulder press | 25kg
3 work sets 15 reps - no warmup 'needed'
Crunches | +30kg Twist (rotation) for sides | +35kg Lower Back | +7kg
On monday I will probably switch back my plan to 5 worksets, 3 warmup sets with 5 reps each (stronglift) and will dramatically increase weight again, for both options, do you think 5 times a week is possible? Also... before bashing
Squats - I don't have a squatrack at home and had knee injury and had to stop squats, because I seem to be a technic retard, thats why I stopped them and really don't feel like re-working them, because I am kind of afraid to fuck up . Also I don't like to re-arrange weights neither in the gym nor at home all the time. (could do them @ multipress, but yeah..)
Deadlifts - I really like deadlifts, but same problem as with squats, I really dislike the re-arranging of weights all the time. I might do deadlifts at home after my workout or something~
Probably reads like lots of excuses, but my knees etc are.. don't know. I guess I'm a bit scared to fuck up and if something feels funny... but it doesn't hurt I don't know if its right or not. If I continue and increase weight it might fuck me up, right? :x
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Saturday (after holiday)
squat 80kg 5-5, 90kg 5-5 (very bad) bench 80kg 7-6-6 deadlift 120kg 6-6-6 pullup 3-3-3-1
looks like ive developed some blood pressure problem possibly. after finishing 2nd/3rd deadlift set i suddenly breath heavier and heavier and then spend 1-2 minutes on the verge of fainting (very very close this time). this happened the other week too if you remember. im fine doing the sets its just afterwards the release of blood pressure almost knocks me out/kills me. the only thing i can think ive changed since this started happening was using a wider stance in the deadlift
in all, a great warmup workout coming back from holiday having done little to nothing for a while. !!!
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@ Naruto, you don't have to increase the weights, work on your form. Get it fixed. Doing an exercise poorly is not a valid reason to drop that exercise. And disliking re-arranging the weights? Go pick up knitting if that really stops you. You have been working out for two years and you're still weak as holy shit; I gained 17kg's of bodyweight and 160kg on my deadlift in two years and I'm nowhere near perfect. Man the hell up.
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On April 20 2013 22:22 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote: @ Naruto, you don't have to increase the weights, work on your form. Get it fixed. Doing an exercise poorly is not a valid reason to drop that exercise. And disliking re-arranging the weights? Go pick up knitting if that really stops you. You have been working out for two years and you're still weak as holy shit; I gained 17kg's of bodyweight and 160kg on my deadlift in two years and I'm nowhere near perfect. Man the hell up.
Retarded post is retarded. Please inform yourself before posting about a poster, idiot. Fits your signature well.
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On April 20 2013 22:26 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2013 22:22 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote: @ Naruto, you don't have to increase the weights, work on your form. Get it fixed. Doing an exercise poorly is not a valid reason to drop that exercise. And disliking re-arranging the weights? Go pick up knitting if that really stops you. You have been working out for two years and you're still weak as holy shit; I gained 17kg's of bodyweight and 160kg on my deadlift in two years and I'm nowhere near perfect. Man the hell up. Retarded post is retarded. Please inform yourself before posting about a poster, idiot. There is no information about your rep ranges in your post. Please inform me, what are you current maxes? Squat, Bench, Dead etc.
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On April 20 2013 22:28 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2013 22:26 Type|NarutO wrote:On April 20 2013 22:22 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote: @ Naruto, you don't have to increase the weights, work on your form. Get it fixed. Doing an exercise poorly is not a valid reason to drop that exercise. And disliking re-arranging the weights? Go pick up knitting if that really stops you. You have been working out for two years and you're still weak as holy shit; I gained 17kg's of bodyweight and 160kg on my deadlift in two years and I'm nowhere near perfect. Man the hell up. Retarded post is retarded. Please inform yourself before posting about a poster, idiot. There is no information about your rep ranges in your post. Please inform me, what are you current maxes? Squat, Bench, Dead etc.
Re-read my post? There's no info? READ IT
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On April 20 2013 18:35 Type|NarutO wrote:
I did work out (with breaks) for about 2 years I guess, but was slumping/injury-blocked for some time. Well to try something new I went from 5x5 stronglifts to 5 sets (2 warmup, 3 work) and 12 reps until I cannot increase weigth anymore. My goal basically is not building up a ton, but being athletic and on very low body fat. Well I feel like I cannot increase the weight with the reps I do, but still wanted to ask what you think about if its possible (for me) to do it 5 times a week:
[b]Pull ups | -35kg[b/] Rows | 45kg Chest incline | 35kg Leg extension | 62,5kg Leg curl | 42,5kg (currently stopped this, will do leg press to replace, this feels funny below my knee and gives me troubles) Butterfly | 35kg Chestpress | 35kg Side lateral raise | 30kg (machine, so its both shoulders) shoulder press | 25kg
3 work sets 15 reps - no warmup 'needed'
Crunches | +30kg Twist (rotation) for sides | +35kg Lower Back | +7kg
:x I don't want to waste too much time arguing with you, but not even doing bodyweight chins for 10 reps is weak as shit in my book after two years of training. A shoulder press of 25kg is hardly impressive either, nor are 45kg rows.
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You have no clue about strength it seems. Why don't you go and post on /r/retarded? Go do 60 pullups. My weight is 75kg , I do -45 / -40 / 3x12 x -35 when I started -65/-60/-55 x 3 1 month ago. What is your problem?
Are you unable to read, because then I might as why the fuck you are responding to my post? Or are you simple too dumb to understand what I wrote? And what I am in your book, really I couldn't care less. I work out with 500-700 or more kcal deficit in terms of energy, I am not working out to build.. but it seems like you don't realize it. It also seems that the world "break" is unknown to you. (or for that matter injury)
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On April 20 2013 22:35 Type|NarutO wrote: You have no clue about strength it seems. Why don't you go and post on /r/retarded? Go do 60 pullups. My weight is 75kg , I do -45 / -40 / 3x12 x -35 when I started -65/-60/-55 x 3 1 month ago. What is your problem?
Are you unable to read, because then I might as why the fuck you are responding to my post? Or are you simple too dumb to understand what I wrote? And what I am in your book, really I couldn't care less. Assisted pull-ups are not pull-ups. Calling 5x12 '60 pull-ups' is misleading. You asked for some opinions and I gave you one, if you disagree then that's fine.
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On April 20 2013 22:38 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2013 22:35 Type|NarutO wrote: You have no clue about strength it seems. Why don't you go and post on /r/retarded? Go do 60 pullups. My weight is 75kg , I do -45 / -40 / 3x12 x -35 when I started -65/-60/-55 x 3 1 month ago. What is your problem?
Are you unable to read, because then I might as why the fuck you are responding to my post? Or are you simple too dumb to understand what I wrote? And what I am in your book, really I couldn't care less. Assisted pull-ups are not pull-ups. Calling 5x12 '60 pull-ups' is misleading. You asked for some opinions and I gave you one, if you disagree then that's fine.
So, before you were able to do any pullups (wide) you simply DID NOTHING because fuck, not working out is better than working out with assist. Seriously, you don't remember how you started out do you? I might as well say 2 years of training and not 150+ kg deadlift is weak as shit, because my friend can easily do it and doesn't work out for 2 years.
Do you want to tell me that 5 sets (2 warmups) of pullups with assist are worse than a ladder system where you could potentially reach 3? 1 / 2 / 3 which makes 6 reps? You have to be kidding me. Before my break and injury first off all, my goal never was strength but being 'fit' and losing weight.
I lost about 20kg in 10 month and continued completely chaning my way of life. In terms of sports and nutrition. Like every beginner, I didn't start off with proper fucking 5x5 or 3x5 or any other fucking good system, so half of the time you could say is waste, and thats for everyone that doesn't want to inform themselves from the start.
I changed to 5x5 and as I said made good progress. Was squatting 80 after 4 month, deadlifting 95kg benching 75kg. My shoulder and knee prevented me from doing more so I couldn't do anything really, because my left shoulder would give in. People like you really make it hard for beginners and people like you should be considered retards, because in your book, you seem to be strong... but let me tell you a thing; I never trained in a gym before (doing since max. 2 month now) and I make steady progress losing fat and gaining strength with being in a deficit. If I wanted to build muscles , I'd just eat healthy with lots of carbs and it would progress so much faster, but I don't. Because I want to live low carb in general.
You should come to Germany and see how small and weak you are compared to some other guys and then get the shittalk from them. Feel big on the internet, do you even lift bro?
Btw: the only question I was asking is, if my workout schedule be it with 12 reps and 'lower' weight OR 5 reps, 5 sets higher weight is possible/okay for 5 days a week.
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Well that escalated quickly. IMHO tho, Naruto, this part of your post can be very easily misinterpreted (If that?):
Squats - I don't have a squatrack at home and had knee injury and had to stop squats, because I seem to be a technic retard, thats why I stopped them and really don't feel like re-working them, because I am kind of afraid to fuck up . Also I don't like to re-arrange weights neither in the gym nor at home all the time. (could do them @ multipress, but yeah..)
Deadlifts - I really like deadlifts, but same problem as with squats, I really dislike the re-arranging of weights all the time. I might do deadlifts at home after my workout or something~ While needsmorecelltech's post did come out pretty hostile in my opinion as well, it should also be seen for more than just that. Basically while you have made some decent progress since a while ago, most experienced and serious lifters would probably encourage to stay away from programs like the one you were talking about. Because you (and me too, and many others) are still a novice, and you can probably gain better everything doing squats, deadlifts etc. I mean, if I said something like that, I would feel glad someone slapped me in the face because its detrimental to my goals. But your goals are different then.
Maybe you know what you are doing, or how you will reach the goals you want to. If your goals are different from the majority in this forum, then you don't have to let anyone tell you otherwise. You know what you want.
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Naruto, you didn't post anything related to your progress and current situation in that post, and you asked for opinions. Knowing nothing about your past and without read further, I would actually very much agree with NMCT in his assessment of your plans and workout. Yes, you've probably got your own reasons, but no one can read your minds, unless you state them clearly before asking for opinions, no one can give you a proper critique without you going up and down.
And NMCT just talks like that, it's not particularly hostile, you would know if you hang around here more...
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You guys need to calm down. No need for hostility. And Naruto those are extremely lazy and invalid reasons to avoid squatting and deadlifting. If froadac can properly do squats and advance up to 90kg despite his back problems/surgery/low body mass than i'm pretty sure you can figure it out. Just do a lot of really light work until you're comfortable with your technique. If you need help take a video and we can tell you how to fix it. Not rearranging weights? You're at the gym...to workout...to get stronger. If doing work is avoiding you from doing work than you're pretty much fucked in the grand scheme of things.
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On April 21 2013 00:32 Cambium wrote: Naruto, you didn't post anything related to your progress and current situation in that post, and you asked for opinions. Knowing nothing about your past and without read further, I would actually very much agree with NMCT in his assessment of your plans and workout. Yes, you've probably got your own reasons, but no one can read your minds, unless you state them clearly before asking for opinions, no one can give you a proper critique without you going up and down.
And NMCT just talks like that, it's not particularly hostile, you would know if you hang around here more...
I did post about my condition and I did post about what I'm trying to accomplish, I don't see what you are refering to? And if NMCT just talks like that it makes him an asshole and is actually not an excuse. There might be people that talk a bit harsher than others and while I appreciate honesty, I don't like the tone especially if you have no clue about the poster. If you lack information, its better to ask and not just assume and talk crap.
On April 21 2013 00:36 decafchicken wrote: You guys need to calm down. No need for hostility. And Naruto those are extremely lazy and invalid reasons to avoid squatting and deadlifting. If froadac can properly do squats and advance up to 90kg despite his back problems/surgery/low body mass than i'm pretty sure you can figure it out. Just do a lot of really light work until you're comfortable with your technique. If you need help take a video and we can tell you how to fix it. Not rearranging weights? You're at the gym...to workout...to get stronger. If doing work is avoiding you from doing work than you're pretty much fucked in the grand scheme of things.
Extremely lazy and invalid reasons to not squat? I don't think it is. I want to prevent injury and its possible to train your legs without squatting. As I mentioned above I am very well aware that machines are inferior to squats and every basic-workout , but that doesn't mean they do not get you anywhere. I don't want to be big or have big legs, I want to be fit and athletic, low body fat (also mentioned before). The only question I did ask was; is it sustainable to go work out 5 days a week (with either option) and he responded like a dick. If I were to be big I would not work out with a huge deficit and I would easily raise strength but as I chose to work out, I can sustain muscle mass and increase in slow steps while losing fat.
I don't have a squatrack, nor does the studio so I would have to squat within the multipress
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and while I don't like squats to begin with I am not trying to dodge them here, but simply don't fuck my knees up. Thats all. I can make a video, but that doesn't really help me as the form can look good and still doesn't feel right for you. My form looked good to a friend who squats well and has no problems, but I still had them. Re-arranging the weights is just another thing that grinds my gears, taking off plates and putting it on etc. On a machine I can simply put the pin to a higher/lower weight at any time and it takes a second. As for deadlifts, I said I will probably do it at home after my workout, didn't I? I pretty much like them, but the re-arranging still goes on my nerves.
Be it as it is, on teamliquid and especially if you know nothing about the history of a poster, you should probably not respond like you are the toughest guy ever. My 1RM and strength is there, but I cannot sustain 5 sets of 12 reps (3 worksets with main weight) with my 100%, I am sure that this is understandable.
Edit: Also , legpress would be a good option to not squat and still have a very good leg based part.
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