EPTI'll watch those videos when I have time, but I never claimed to know that much about biology. Even prefaced by saying that I have only taken basic high school biology.
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MtlGuitarist97
United States1539 Posts
I'll watch those videos when I have time, but I never claimed to know that much about biology. Even prefaced by saying that I have only taken basic high school biology. | ||
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Recognizable
Netherlands1552 Posts
On May 15 2013 13:14 eshlow wrote: Fixed. Fixed. trans fats = bad Saturated fats = differing effects depending on type but generally do not increase CVD/stroke/etc risk. refined carbohydrates = bad LDL/HDL/triglycerides/cholesterol are all naturally occurring in the body and thus good. It's when certain subtypes of LDL-cholesterol turn bad you get issues with CVD. Specifically ApoB (small dense LDL subtype). This is not increased by saturated fats, but you will see huge increases with refined carbohydrates and trans fats. SEE THE DAMN OP. I wrote this shit up already. Thanks for correcting me. I was explaining the stuff on that page. I grouped Saturated Fats with Trans Fats because this was the header: "Why are partially hydrogenated or trans fats bad for health?" And they were going on about the cis configuration which obviously isn't present in saturated fats so I just assumed they were talking about both Trans and Saturated fats. Do you have a degree in biochemistry or are you studying biochemistry? I'll be studying Physics next year but I did a report on how enzymes operate and it was very interesting, lot's of thermodynamics and math I wasn't expecting at all. There are so many interesting subjects out there. My Biology book is apparently completely wrong with regards to saturated fats haha. They just lie to you knowingly these sonofabitches. Anyway squat 120kg for the first time on monday 5x5 and for the first time i had pain in my knee in the evening, probabl just because of poor form on my first 3 sets. Gotta admit i wasnt too focused during those and probably "respected" the weight too much although it was only 2.5kg more than on friday. Set 4&5 were alot cleaner though since i noticedy poor form, cleared m head and focused. And kneepain was also gone after 8 hours of sleep on tuesday. I always have a very slight kneepain in my left knee after squatting heavy. Veryyy slight, and it's gone in about 5 minutes. I wonder if I should be worried :/ | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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decafchicken
United States20154 Posts
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On May 15 2013 16:37 phyre112 wrote: I wrote up a big post, and then I realized that eshlow had already posted later on the topic. I only have my B.S. in biology, and not enough of it covers humans and health, so fuck it, I'll defer to him. Anyway, from mtlGuitarist's post, it seems like the main problem is that he confuses the action of the fats in the blood stream, in storage, and in actual cell membranes. There are different forms that your body metabolizes fats into at each of these stages, and they all do different things in the body. The important thing is, "saturated fats" aren't all good/bad, and there's a lot of grey area. Just worry about quality of food, anyway. Anyway, recent research suggests that most of the correlation between saturated fats and heart disease, decades ago are just that - correlation. There's no cause and effect, they just happen to go together, so we "guessed" that they had something to do with each other. Here's a recent study that I went over in my microbiology class - it essentially says that red meat is dangerous in some people, some of the time, because a certain bacteria, that some people have more of than other metabolizes carnitine (an amino acid) into TMAO (a poison that hardens arteries). http://www.nature.com/nm/journal/v19/n5/full/nm.3145.html So according to that, red meat might be bad.... for some people... if you eat too much of it.... and have a certain genetic history and happen to have picked up a certain amount of this certain bacteria... and you don't exercise... and blah blah blah... etc. No, that study was total crap. It was thoroughly debunked here: http://anthonycolpo.com/bullshit-study-of-the-year-carnitine-causes-heart-disease/ Plus this more recent study about 1 month later "The Nature Medicine paper is of interest, but the main study reported there was in animals, and unlike our study, lacks hard outcomes," said senior investigator Carl J. Lavie, MD, of the John Ochsner Heart and Vascular Institute at the University of Queensland School of Medicine in New Orleans, in a statement. "The Nature Medicine paper is of interest, but the main study reported there was in animals, and unlike our study, lacks hard outcomes," said senior investigator Carl J. Lavie, MD, of the John Ochsner Heart and Vascular Institute at the University of Queensland School of Medicine in New Orleans, in a statement.[/quote] | ||
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On May 15 2013 18:42 Recognizable wrote: Thanks for correcting me. I was explaining the stuff on that page. I grouped Saturated Fats with Trans Fats because this was the header: "Why are partially hydrogenated or trans fats bad for health?" And they were going on about the cis configuration which obviously isn't present in saturated fats so I just assumed they were talking about both Trans and Saturated fats. Do you have a degree in biochemistry or are you studying biochemistry? I'll be studying Physics next year but I did a report on how enzymes operate and it was very interesting, lot's of thermodynamics and math I wasn't expecting at all. There are so many interesting subjects out there. My Biology book is apparently completely wrong with regards to saturated fats haha. They just lie to you knowingly these sonofabitches. I always have a very slight kneepain in my left knee after squatting heavy. Veryyy slight, and it's gone in about 5 minutes. I wonder if I should be worried :/ I have a degree in biochemistry But still, you don't really need a degree in biochemistry to understand the stuff. Yes, it probably helps understand the substances on molecular level interactions but if you can get the concepts then you don't really need to. ANd yes, almost all of the textbooks are wrong, especially because they don't differentiate between things like subtypes of LDL, and the huge differences between the carbon functions of various saturated fats in the body. It's like me stating: since there's a lot of black people in the city and a lot of crime that means all black people are committing all of the crimes. 1. Correlation is not causation 2. Ignores evidence of refined carbohydrates contributing to the problem (aka white people/asian people/etc commit some crimes too). 3. Most black people don't commit crimes, just a small portion of them (aka fats, especially saturated fats, are not bad and even good in many circumstances, and it depending on what they do in the body) 4. Ignores obesity, metabolic syndrome, and other contributing factors to the problem(s), (aka why are people committing crimes -- kids with single parents poor outcomes than with both parents, poverty/entitlement welfare, etc) | ||
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Netherlands1552 Posts
On May 15 2013 21:01 Osmoses wrote: I wonder if any top athlete is ever completely without injury. It seems to me that constantly straining your body to surpass it's limits must result in pain somewhere, all the time. I can't recall any exercise I've done that didn't hurt in some way (besides doms). I can't imagine that the very topathletes aren't taxing their body way past beyond their limits. I think many will have to pay for it when they age. Source: my grandfather was a topathlete and his body is wrecked right now. | ||
zatic
Zurich15365 Posts
On May 15 2013 21:58 Recognizable wrote: I can't imagine that the very topathletes aren't taxing their body way past beyond their limits. I think many will have to pay for it when they age. Source: my grandfather was a topathlete and his body is wrecked right now. Well I think by now we can just assume that every top athlete is on drugs just up to what is detectable, so yes, by definition they are pushing their bodies beyond their limits. Of course it's not a healthy thing to do. | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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decafchicken
United States20154 Posts
On May 15 2013 23:40 Osmoses wrote: Obviously it will get to them in the longrun, I was more interested in the right now. They are training really hard, surpassing their limits every day, that's gotta mean they're hurting somewhere, all the time. yeah, i think a lot are. i watched an interview with someone the chinese national team and basically he said "if my back doesn't hurt than its a good day" Personally i feel better lifting 5 days a week + rugby than i do if i take a week off. Sure things always hurt but nothing that ruins my day. | ||
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Netherlands1552 Posts
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phyre112
United States3090 Posts
On May 15 2013 21:49 eshlow wrote: [/QUOTE]No, that study was total crap. It was thoroughly debunked here: http://anthonycolpo.com/bullshit-study-of-the-year-carnitine-causes-heart-disease/ Plus this more recent study about 1 month later "The Nature Medicine paper is of interest, but the main study reported there was in animals, and unlike our study, lacks hard outcomes," said senior investigator Carl J. Lavie, MD, of the John Ochsner Heart and Vascular Institute at the University of Queensland School of Medicine in New Orleans, in a statement. That's cool. We looked at the original study in February, when it was published, and I hadn't really followed up on it at all until just now when I remembered it, and thought it might be relevant to post. Glad it's BS since I wasn't going to stop eating red meat anyway. | ||
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decafchicken
United States20154 Posts
On May 16 2013 02:11 Recognizable wrote: What do you mean by hurt? I mean, I'm in a constant state of soreness/muscle pain as well. However, I don't really classify this as being hurt. While I think that the Chinese man meant, that his back actually hurts yes i assume the chinese man is referring to more serious/chronic pain/injury when he says hurt. Here in 'murica for sports 'hurt' means you're just in pain but can still play and 'injured' means i physically can't move or will fuck something up if i do. hurt = cramp/sore/bruise/pain/etc. injured = ligament/tendon/muscle/bone is damaged or torn The shankle on the matter: Eventually, as you continue to train everyday you will adapt to body soreness and just get used to it. The muscles will get stronger and more resilient to the stress you are putting on yourself. Weightlifters are usually always pretty sore everyday and come to accept this feeling. However, your body should never be so destroyed that you cannot train. Adaptation will set in and with smart training you will be surprised at how your body can deal with stress even when it is fatigued. There are no limits to what you can do. A high pain tolerance is essential for nearly every athlete. Deal with your pain and do not try to mask it with pain medicines. This is one of the steps you must take to become strong. Believe he also said something along the lines of "when i finally taper and i'm not sore it's a bit confusing and i'm like 'is this what normal people feel like? i thought you were supposed to be sore." He's fuckin great lol + Show Spoiler + Q: How do you deal with soreness everyday and when should I get any pain I might be feeling checked out? - Mike A: Eventually, as you continue to train everyday you will adapt to body soreness and just get used to it. The muscles will get stronger and more resilient to the stress you are putting on yourself. Weightlifters are usually always pretty sore everyday and come to accept this feeling. However, your body should never be so destroyed that you cannot train. Adaptation will set in and with smart training you will be surprised at how your body can deal with stress even when it is fatigued. There are no limits to what you can do. A high pain tolerance is essential for nearly every athlete. Deal with your pain and do not try to mask it with pain medicines. This is one of the steps you must take to become strong. That being said there are some things which will help you deal with daily soreness. Supplementation is an essential part of your training and diet which will help you get the vital nutrients and vitamins you need for your body to push through adaptation. Things like fish oil taken in very large doses along with vitamin C will help keep you from breaking down. Staying away from to much saturated fats, sugar, fried foods, and excess alcohol will help also. Keep a clean diet and know what you are eating. Olive oil, avocados, and many nuts are full of good fats that will help with inflammation. Omega 3's are what you are after and you should keep away from omega 6's as much as possible. This also includes paying attention to what kind of meat you are eating. Free range eggs and grass fed beef are both two essential foods a weightlifter needs to grow strong. Keep away from corn fed cows and chickens and you should notice a difference in daily soreness. Taking in plenty water is important even with your protein shakes. Stay away from excess dairy as this could also be keeping you sore and inflamed. Some other things you can do include ice baths after training or just ice packs on the areas that are bothering you e.g. shoulders, hips, knees. Hot showers and baths too will help your muscles relax. Include a little eucalyptus oil in your hot bath or on the rocks in a sauna. Breathing in deeply is a way to ensure your muscles are getting plenty of oxygen and is overlooked by many weightlifters. Meditation is a great exercise which can help you do this. Even now after a hot shower I will sit Indian style focusing on keeping my back straight as I practice breathing in deeply. This helps my muscles get the oxygen they need and it makes my lungs strong. Getting plenty sleep especially between the hours of 2330 and 0330 is important too. Natural growth hormone is produced while you are sleeping so get plenty of it. Avoid staying up late. If you have an injury you must see a doctor and listen to what he recommends. If the Doc says take three months off to allow for something to heal then do so. Training sooner than recommended will only aggravate any injury you may have and will keep you out of the gym longer. Let your body heal. Occasional bumps and bruises are a part of the sport, but in weightlifting it is usually nothing very serious. If you are unsure if a pain you have is serious or not get it checked out. Soon you will know on your own what can be pushed through and what cannot. Knowing this about yourself is something you gain from years of training. You are a weightlifter and you are going to hurt. It is the weightlifters who can push through daily soreness and can continue to chase personal records that win because they are not disrupting adaptation. They are mentally strong and outside of the gym they are doing what is essential to lift heavy weights everyday. Take care of your body both inside and out. Educate yourself about certain foods. Get plenty sleep along with massage and physical therapy if needed. Keep in mind, even if you are doing all of this, it does not mean your soreness will go completely away. To be a great weightlifter you have to be tough as nails. | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
Any tips to practise and get better technique wise? Positioning advice etc? Any tips to get faster sprints/overall better endurance on the field? What can I do strength training wise etc. | ||
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
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Deadeight
United Kingdom1629 Posts
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Osmoses
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NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Netherlands1242 Posts
On May 17 2013 12:29 Deadeight wrote: If you really haven't done much before, just dribbling and passing. Nothing much matters if you haven't got basic ball handling skills. The fastest way to learn how to play soccer is to just play a fuck ton. Dribble/do tricks/keep it in the air for a few hours a day and play a ton of games. | ||
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Netherlands1552 Posts
On May 17 2013 19:24 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote: The fastest way to learn how to play soccer is to just play a fuck ton. Dribble/do tricks/keep it in the air for a few hours a day and play a ton of games. This is the only way. Once you get on a good level you can work on stuff like your acceleration with and without the ball, positioning, etc. It really doesn't matter where you are standing if you can't do anything with the ball. | ||
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