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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
March 15 2013 20:21 GMT
#921
Sure, it has everything to do with upper body strength relative to body mass. Folks starting skinny rather than fat are going to have an easier time with stuff like push ups, pull ups and dips, simply because they have less mass.
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Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
March 15 2013 20:31 GMT
#922
Some progress visible with my buttwink, now my lower back is almost neutral at parallell. Will continue working towards an actual inward arch.
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ShadowDrgn
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2497 Posts
March 15 2013 21:02 GMT
#923
Just do 11 push-ups, wait a minute or two, then do the other 10. Crossfit doesn't expect you to do every set with no breaks, just look at the workout that is nothing but 150 wall ball shots.
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autoexec
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States530 Posts
March 15 2013 21:24 GMT
#924
I'll try out the workout since I'm not doing any weights for the next month. Nothing on there that looks like it will hurt my back except burpees. Maybe I will just add an extra round instead of doing them.
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
March 15 2013 21:57 GMT
#925
On March 16 2013 01:24 YoucriedWolf wrote:
Tim Ferris posted this on fb
"How much protein does your "protein" powder actually contain? Some disturbing results (including 0%!)"
Might be worth having a look at.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Fitness/comments/uva9t/big_reddit_protein_powder_measurement_results/

Very interesting.. looks like I'll be getting optimum nutrition for my next batch of whey protein
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NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
March 15 2013 22:11 GMT
#926
On March 16 2013 05:20 Desmoden wrote:
as I have never done serious strength training in my life (just cardio) it's impossible I would like to get more fit so I'm going to try again tomorrow with 10 push ups
Maybe we just have different definitions of "beginner" .


To improve you can also do 'ladder' style. 1, break, 2, break, 3, break... etc
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mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
March 15 2013 22:47 GMT
#927
Spring break off and being sick was lame.
Bench 185lb 4,4,4
Pull-up 50lb 5,5,4

WOD NarutO was talking about: Roughly 9:30. The clock at the track had only 5 min markers and no second hand... wat. So it was somewhere around there. Burpees suuuuck.
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NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
March 16 2013 01:29 GMT
#928
On March 15 2013 16:49 Osmoses wrote:
So nobody uses a specific routine when they cut? Starting strength, stronglifts and all dem programs are made for bulking, so a caloric surplus is part of the routine. Doing them on a deficit (regardless of volume) seems suboptimal to me, if not dangerous.

I just run PHAT when I cut. I'm currently 93kg with quite a bit of mass compared to how I looked at 89kg so I'm happy with that. Arms/chest lagging behind though from all of those months of just 'squatz bro lolol'. It seems like girls mostly just want broad shoulders and ripped abs so as long as I cut for four weeks I should have a six pack unflexed. I stayed pretty lean on this bulk.
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GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
March 16 2013 01:37 GMT
#929
On March 16 2013 10:29 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2013 16:49 Osmoses wrote:
So nobody uses a specific routine when they cut? Starting strength, stronglifts and all dem programs are made for bulking, so a caloric surplus is part of the routine. Doing them on a deficit (regardless of volume) seems suboptimal to me, if not dangerous.

I just run PHAT when I cut. I'm currently 93kg with quite a bit of mass compared to how I looked at 89kg so I'm happy with that. Arms/chest lagging behind though from all of those months of just 'squatz bro lolol'. It seems like girls mostly just want broad shoulders and ripped abs so as long as I cut for four weeks I should have a six pack unflexed. I stayed pretty lean on this bulk.


I think when you are intermediate both routines are perfectly reasonable for a cut given they are quite low volume.

Currently on a cut, benching 5 times a week, Squat x3x10 monday, Shrugs+pull ups wednesday, squat x1, x3x5 friday (more weight than monday), Saturday Deadlift x3x8, Pull Ups, machine row.

You need to find what works for you/fits your goals.
Thor.Rush
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden702 Posts
March 16 2013 01:42 GMT
#930
I've been advised to stay in the 8-12 rep range for the sake of maintaining muscle hypertrophy, rather than strength, during a cut.
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NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
March 16 2013 17:52 GMT
#931
On March 16 2013 10:37 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2013 10:29 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
On March 15 2013 16:49 Osmoses wrote:
So nobody uses a specific routine when they cut? Starting strength, stronglifts and all dem programs are made for bulking, so a caloric surplus is part of the routine. Doing them on a deficit (regardless of volume) seems suboptimal to me, if not dangerous.

I just run PHAT when I cut. I'm currently 93kg with quite a bit of mass compared to how I looked at 89kg so I'm happy with that. Arms/chest lagging behind though from all of those months of just 'squatz bro lolol'. It seems like girls mostly just want broad shoulders and ripped abs so as long as I cut for four weeks I should have a six pack unflexed. I stayed pretty lean on this bulk.


I think when you are intermediate both routines are perfectly reasonable for a cut given they are quite low volume.

Currently on a cut, benching 5 times a week, Squat x3x10 monday, Shrugs+pull ups wednesday, squat x1, x3x5 friday (more weight than monday), Saturday Deadlift x3x8, Pull Ups, machine row.

You need to find what works for you/fits your goals.

I think most people tend to undertrain rather than overtrain. Also, PHAT has a really high amount of volume by bodybuilding standards. Two heavy days, 20+ sets 5x a week. Set any recent deadlift PR's btw GoTunk!?
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GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-16 18:00:24
March 16 2013 17:54 GMT
#932
On March 17 2013 02:52 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2013 10:37 GoTuNk! wrote:
On March 16 2013 10:29 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
On March 15 2013 16:49 Osmoses wrote:
So nobody uses a specific routine when they cut? Starting strength, stronglifts and all dem programs are made for bulking, so a caloric surplus is part of the routine. Doing them on a deficit (regardless of volume) seems suboptimal to me, if not dangerous.

I just run PHAT when I cut. I'm currently 93kg with quite a bit of mass compared to how I looked at 89kg so I'm happy with that. Arms/chest lagging behind though from all of those months of just 'squatz bro lolol'. It seems like girls mostly just want broad shoulders and ripped abs so as long as I cut for four weeks I should have a six pack unflexed. I stayed pretty lean on this bulk.


I think when you are intermediate both routines are perfectly reasonable for a cut given they are quite low volume.

Currently on a cut, benching 5 times a week, Squat x3x10 monday, Shrugs+pull ups wednesday, squat x1, x3x5 friday (more weight than monday), Saturday Deadlift x3x8, Pull Ups, machine row.

You need to find what works for you/fits your goals.

I think most people tend to undertrain rather than overtrain. Also, PHAT has a really high amount of volume by bodybuilding standards. Two heavy days, 20+ sets 5x a week. Set any recent deadlift PR's btw GoTunk!?


nope, next meet april 27. Cutting to 74kg (which is very low for me), with the goal of at least repeating my 81kg total 7 kg lighter and own forever the bench chilean record ;p
feanor1
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1899 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-17 04:09:55
March 17 2013 00:48 GMT
#933
On March 17 2013 12:24 Deadeight wrote:
I weighed in at over 100kg today and I'm thinking maybe I'd like to drop up to 5kg of fat. However, I can't stand the thought of losing strength, I could maybe go a month or so without gaining but I really wouldn't be happy losing any significant strength. I have a couple of questions:
  • 1. Should I change what I eat or just the number of calories? At the moment I eat whatever I want, but what I want generally happens to be clean foods.
  • 2. How do I work out how many calories I should eat? I counted calories for a day a couple of months ago and it was 6k.
  • 3. Would it work to just up my volume of exercise? Every time I went on rowing camp I rowed for about 9 hours a day across 3 sessions, and ate way more than normal, and after a week I'd lost a bunch of weight. I have a lot of time on my hands as it's Easter holidays, and I'd prefer to just go balls out that way.
  • 4. How long would 5kg take to lose (it's 5% of current bodyweight, I am about 20% bodyfat)?


If strength levels make a difference, I squat 3x5 @ 167.5kg last session (low bar with belt). I'm kind of hoping the balls out option is viable and not a stupid idea, I think I'd quite enjoy it.

Generally it is easier to lose weight by adjusting your diet. Humans are very energy efficient, but of course it is possible to just work off the extra fat without changing your diet if you have enough time.
Deadeight
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1629 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-17 03:25:42
March 17 2013 03:24 GMT
#934
I weighed in at over 100kg today and I'm thinking maybe I'd like to drop up to 5kg of fat. However, I can't stand the thought of losing strength, I could maybe go a month or so without gaining but I really wouldn't be happy losing any significant strength. I have a couple of questions:
  • 1. Should I change what I eat or just the number of calories? At the moment I eat whatever I want, but what I want generally happens to be clean foods.
  • 2. How do I work out how many calories I should eat? I counted calories for a day a couple of months ago and it was 6k.
  • 3. Would it work to just up my volume of exercise? Every time I went on rowing camp I rowed for about 9 hours a day across 3 sessions, and ate way more than normal, and after a week I'd lost a bunch of weight. I have a lot of time on my hands as it's Easter holidays, and I'd prefer to just go balls out that way.
  • 4. How long would 5kg take to lose (it's 5% of current bodyweight, I am about 20% bodyfat)?


If strength levels make a difference, I squat 3x5 @ 167.5kg last session (low bar with belt). I'm kind of hoping the balls out option is viable and not a stupid idea, I think I'd quite enjoy it.
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-17 14:24:52
March 17 2013 07:32 GMT
#935
I should not be able to use words after 1 am.


To answer you question for real though.... you really have to decide which one you want more right now. The strength will come back easy enough, but you are going to lose some of it if you want to lose weight for now.

The other alternative is to put on a hell of a lot of mass so that your body fat % drops, even if you might not lose any absolute amount of bodyfat.
Sneakyz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2361 Posts
March 17 2013 11:43 GMT
#936
You'll not drop 5% bodyfat by dropping 5kg, you would need to lose more weight for that. You lose weight from other sources than fat aswell, lean body mass is not just muscle.
I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds.
Deadeight
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1629 Posts
March 17 2013 13:45 GMT
#937
Hmm, ok that's interesting.

I think I'm going to do it. I counted for breakfast, and bloody hell one bowl of cereal comes in at over 1k calories. I could've had a 300g pack of bacon (English bacon, pretty sure American bacon is a lot more fatty) and 4 slices of bread for that. I anticipate this being difficult. If I ate one bowl three times a day I'd be over my limit, wtf.

I used http://www.1percentedge.com/ifcalc/ to estimate calories.
NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
March 17 2013 22:04 GMT
#938
On March 17 2013 22:45 Deadeight wrote:
Hmm, ok that's interesting.

I think I'm going to do it. I counted for breakfast, and bloody hell one bowl of cereal comes in at over 1k calories. I could've had a 300g pack of bacon (English bacon, pretty sure American bacon is a lot more fatty) and 4 slices of bread for that. I anticipate this being difficult. If I ate one bowl three times a day I'd be over my limit, wtf.

I used http://www.1percentedge.com/ifcalc/ to estimate calories.

If you're currently eating 6k a day (which I doubt), dropping it to 4k and then see what happens. If your bodyweight doesn't go down within 3 days, drop it another 500 cals untill you start losing 2~ pounds per week. You weigh 100kg's at 1.85~ right? Either you're juicing and fucking HUGE, or you're pretty fat. You'll enjoy the cut I think; I know I feel amazing when I'm lean.
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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
March 18 2013 00:09 GMT
#939
On March 16 2013 10:42 Thor.Rush wrote:
I've been advised to stay in the 8-12 rep range for the sake of maintaining muscle hypertrophy, rather than strength, during a cut.


Strength maintains muscle mass better.... I prefer 5-8.... but that should be ok.
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FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-18 00:19:55
March 18 2013 00:14 GMT
#940
just cut out random carbs & junk food. switch to veg (green or potato) & fish (salmon! cover with tin foil, 20 mins) , pork loin (cover with foil and cook for an hour at 160->180). cut out bread if it doesnt work. god knows how anyone can afford this tho (guess you're alright if you're chugging protein shake anyway. mine tastes GROSS so dont often have it)

personally i was eating random chocolate and junk food quite a lot, now cutting that out. stomach is pretty ugly (penis looks small with big stomach also)
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