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On April 24 2013 16:31 WillyWanker wrote:After yesterday night, and these last 2 seasons in general, I feel like Barcelona needs a big change if they want to be the best again. And I'm not only talking about players... On the club level: Rosell needs to go. He's one of the worst president of the last 20 years, doesn't defend the players, the coaches, the club, and he and Freixa are trying to get involved too much in the player transfers when it's Tito and Zubi's jobs (Neymar being the best example of this crap). Laporta had his bad sides but he was faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar better when it came to respect others' jobs... On the tactical level: since last year we are playing with a very unbalanced team - Behind: Alba/Adriano + Alves instead of Abidal for the left back - And on the attacking side with either a midfielder (Iniesta/Cesc) + Messi (more of a playmaker and finisher than a defense fixating guy) + a winger (Alexis, Pedro, sometimes even Alves with the 3-4-3) which commited so much to defending that we ended up with no real striker... The result? Weak defense, and few surprise when attacking resulting in few goals against well organised teams (Real, PSG, Bayern, Milan first game, Celtic, etc...). It would still work when Messi had his holy days but that's not every game, and he can also end up injured like these last weeks. We need to go back to the original 4-3-3 that made our success, with real wingers and a guy that can absorb the CBs and give space to Messi. And for that we have two choices: take from somewhere else (Suarez, Falcao, Cavani, ...) or use our young players (Tello, Delofeu) but more often, like Pedro 3 years ago. On the team level: obviously we need to make some modifications on the team for 2 reasons. First, we lack some different profiles (like I said above), and second, we need something fresh to give us back the hunger we had several years ago that made us give everything on the pitch, and for that, the best is to recruit new players. Mandatory changes: a center back of world class level (the first choice seems to be Hummels for now), a young but talented goalkeeper (I would have liked Lloris or De Gea, but they seem busy  ) Important changes (1-2 years): a midfielder to replace Xavi, a right back to replace Alves (I think he can even leave this summer), a new striker who can play 9 or on the left side (Suarez?) but for that they will probably recruit Neymar and I don't think it's gonna be as awesome as Rosell is saying  The next 2 years must be spent on giving a lot more time to the young players, because I think some of them could be world class too: Tello, Deulofeu (strikers), Rafinha, Dos Santos (midfielders), Grimaldo, Montoya, Bartra (defenders). I really wish they 'sacrify' this season to come, giving time to youngsters and getting back some motivation to win, because buying Neymar + Hummels isn't going to change everything... And I wish Rosell loses the next election.
You can't give much time to the youngsters if you keep signing people and not letting others go. For instance, if either Falcao, Suarez, etc. came, we'd have Messi, Pedro, Villa, Tello, Deulofeu, Falcao/Suarez, Alexis, Neymar?.
I think what Barça needs the most now is to fix their defense. It has been awful for a long time and you can tell that this insecurity is affecting all the other parts of their game. The next priority should be their strikers and finally midfield (where they should use Thiago/Cesc more often to give relief to Xavi and Iniesta). I'm not really convinced of Alexis, Pedro and Villa, it seems to me as they do not have the individual skills top-class wings/strikers should have. The reason why Neymar wouldn't be that bad of a choice is that he would be a second major threat next to Messi, a thing which these guys are not (ala Robben-Ribery). Deulofeu could also fill that role in progressively. But yeah, we need a real striker that can reliably score... why did we ever let Eto'o go?
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51489 Posts
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Fenrax
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This is the situation before the 2-0 in detail between Gomez (number 33 -_-) and the Barcelona player who loses the aerial duel. Gomez right foot is slightly offside but I don't think you can blame referee here, in doubt for the attacker.
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spit my Morning coffee while reading through the reddit post match thread
"So I guess Messi traveled all the way to Munich...
puts on sunglasses
...four nothing."
MVP
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Gomez is Number 33, and his right foot seems to be ahead of the line
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
On April 24 2013 17:53 eLyx wrote:
Gomez is Number 33, and his right foot seems to be ahead of the line
thanks, corrected
Still wouldn't blame the referee.
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Its really nice to see a spanish team cry after not having decisions go there way.. barca have always gone down easy and for once the ref didnt blow up on every silly little fall they had, Really happy that BM took them apart
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On April 24 2013 17:42 kemoryan wrote:
You can't give much time to the youngsters if you keep signing people and not letting others go. For instance, if either Falcao, Suarez, etc. came, we'd have Messi, Pedro, Villa, Tello, Deulofeu, Falcao/Suarez, Alexis, Neymar?.
I think what Barça needs the most now is to fix their defense. It has been awful for a long time and you can tell that this insecurity is affecting all the other parts of their game. The next priority should be their strikers and finally midfield (where they should use Thiago/Cesc more often to give relief to Xavi and Iniesta). I'm not really convinced of Alexis, Pedro and Villa, it seems to me as they do not have the individual skills top-class wings/strikers should have. The reason why Neymar wouldn't be that bad of a choice is that he would be a second major threat next to Messi, a thing which these guys are not (ala Robben-Ribery). Deulofeu could also fill that role in progressively. But yeah, we need a real striker that can reliably score... why did we ever let Eto'o go?
My bad, I wrote that part and I deleted it Forgot to add it back.
I agree with you of course, but I talked about recruits because I believe Villa and Alexis will leave either this season or the next. Villa for the treatment they've been giving him, and Alexis because his head is somewhere else and I think he wants to go play for la Juve. So it would free up 2 slots, one for a recruit and one for a youngster that would play 60mn or 30mn every game (but that's in my dreams).
I would also like Cesc to go, he was one of the guy Pep wanted out to continue in Barcelona, and I think he's been a failure since his arrival. He always manage to show off during the first 3-4 months, and when the big games come, there's nobody anymore. Plus I don't think he has the tactical level sufficient to play in this Barcelona. When he plays as a fake 9 for Spain he's more free so it's fine, but that doesn't work in Barcelona since this job is Messi's.
I agree with you for Neymar, he should bring some samba football Ronaldinho style but, 1) I'm not even sure he can achieve the same level Ronnie achieved, 2) I don't think he has the state of mind and the tactical requirements to play in Barcelona. But I could be wrong and I would love to be wrong about him! My opinion is: why buy Neymar when you have Deulofeu? He's less marketing, less flashy, but he's at least as talented as him and knows Barcelona's systems (though he's not yet so strong tactically speaking).
I think Eto'o had to go because his ego would not work with Pep, like Ibra's ego, Toure's, Ronnie's, Deco's... We still managed to win the CL in 2011, and for me this 2010-2011 Barcelona was stronger than the 08-09 (less funky but more control and still sooooo efficient in front of the goal).
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I don't know. I used to think for Neymar as another marketing trick but after watching him play enough I think he's the real deal.
We desperately need another player who can dribble and score cause if messi is marked tightly and doesn't produce a highlight move then there is not much else we can do.
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On April 24 2013 18:06 La1 wrote:
Its really nice to see a spanish team cry after not having decisions go there way.. barca have always gone down easy and for once the ref didnt blow up on every silly little fall they had, Really happy that BM took them apart
Where's any crying from Barca?! I looked up the reactions after the game because I thought I missed some, since in every single one I saw explicitly said that the ref is not to blame (see e.g. here). So, please present some crying or stop it, it's really just re-establishing your own stereotypes without any actual reason at some point. I will happily stand corrected if there were actual complains about the ref.
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On April 24 2013 17:42 kemoryan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 16:31 WillyWanker wrote:After yesterday night, and these last 2 seasons in general, I feel like Barcelona needs a big change if they want to be the best again. And I'm not only talking about players... On the club level: Rosell needs to go. He's one of the worst president of the last 20 years, doesn't defend the players, the coaches, the club, and he and Freixa are trying to get involved too much in the player transfers when it's Tito and Zubi's jobs (Neymar being the best example of this crap). Laporta had his bad sides but he was faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar better when it came to respect others' jobs... On the tactical level: since last year we are playing with a very unbalanced team - Behind: Alba/Adriano + Alves instead of Abidal for the left back - And on the attacking side with either a midfielder (Iniesta/Cesc) + Messi (more of a playmaker and finisher than a defense fixating guy) + a winger (Alexis, Pedro, sometimes even Alves with the 3-4-3) which commited so much to defending that we ended up with no real striker... The result? Weak defense, and few surprise when attacking resulting in few goals against well organised teams (Real, PSG, Bayern, Milan first game, Celtic, etc...). It would still work when Messi had his holy days but that's not every game, and he can also end up injured like these last weeks. We need to go back to the original 4-3-3 that made our success, with real wingers and a guy that can absorb the CBs and give space to Messi. And for that we have two choices: take from somewhere else (Suarez, Falcao, Cavani, ...) or use our young players (Tello, Delofeu) but more often, like Pedro 3 years ago. On the team level: obviously we need to make some modifications on the team for 2 reasons. First, we lack some different profiles (like I said above), and second, we need something fresh to give us back the hunger we had several years ago that made us give everything on the pitch, and for that, the best is to recruit new players. Mandatory changes: a center back of world class level (the first choice seems to be Hummels for now), a young but talented goalkeeper (I would have liked Lloris or De Gea, but they seem busy ) Important changes (1-2 years): a midfielder to replace Xavi, a right back to replace Alves (I think he can even leave this summer), a new striker who can play 9 or on the left side (Suarez?) but for that they will probably recruit Neymar and I don't think it's gonna be as awesome as Rosell is saying The next 2 years must be spent on giving a lot more time to the young players, because I think some of them could be world class too: Tello, Deulofeu (strikers), Rafinha, Dos Santos (midfielders), Grimaldo, Montoya, Bartra (defenders). I really wish they 'sacrify' this season to come, giving time to youngsters and getting back some motivation to win, because buying Neymar + Hummels isn't going to change everything... And I wish Rosell loses the next election. You can't give much time to the youngsters if you keep signing people and not letting others go. For instance, if either Falcao, Suarez, etc. came, we'd have Messi, Pedro, Villa, Tello, Deulofeu, Falcao/Suarez, Alexis, Neymar?. I think what Barça needs the most now is to fix their defense. It has been awful for a long time and you can tell that this insecurity is affecting all the other parts of their game. The next priority should be their strikers and finally midfield (where they should use Thiago/Cesc more often to give relief to Xavi and Iniesta). I'm not really convinced of Alexis, Pedro and Villa, it seems to me as they do not have the individual skills top-class wings/strikers should have. The reason why Neymar wouldn't be that bad of a choice is that he would be a second major threat next to Messi, a thing which these guys are not (ala Robben-Ribery). Deulofeu could also fill that role in progressively. But yeah, we need a real striker that can reliably score... why did we ever let Eto'o go?
I think Barca is suffering of 3 problems:
1. Bayern Munich is fucking good this season.
yes the second and third goal might be illegal (the offside is almost impossible to see in real time with Martinez standing in the way and how close it was, and yes it was a foul but Alba is acting too much. And dont forget the 2 not given hand penalty) but this win is deserved by any definition.
Their Trades were perfect this season with Martinez (holy fuck this kid is good), Dante and Mandzukic. Also besides of Robben earlier the season, Kroos and Badstuber they don´t had the injury problems like Barca this season. It doesn´t randomly happend with a lot of luck like Chelsea or Inter the years before they simply outplayed them almost the entire game.
2. Their system is getting old.
They are playing exact the same system and gameplan as 3 or 4 years ago. And really good teams like Bayern or Real just have figured out ways to stop them. On the absolute highest level its not enough to give Messi the ball and hope that he bails you out. Don´t get me wrong Barca is still insanely good with fantastic players but they are not as "unbeatable" as 2 years ago.
3. The roster are full of the same kind of players.
If Arijen Robben is getting a header chance you know you are in trouble. At corners Jordi Alba(170) had to guard Martinez(1.90m). Besides of Piquie and Busqets they are all small and not very strong. Martinez and Schweinsteiger dominated the midfield with their physical present. in 98% of their games this doesnt matter because they are so good technically but they had the same problem 2010 aginst inter and 2012 against Chelsea.
Barca is still barca and in Camp Nou everything is possible. But on the other hand they need 4 goals just for overtime and if Bayern scores they need 6... Thats a big mountain even if messi is healthy and they are playing at 100% of their capacity.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51489 Posts
On April 24 2013 18:28 Steveling wrote:
I don't know. I used to think for Neymar as another marketing trick but after watching him play enough I think he's the real deal.
We desperately need another player who can dribble and score cause if messi is marked tightly and doesn't produce a highlight move then there is not much else we can do.
NO
You need a new manager, one who has experience. To be quite honest Brian Laudrup would be perfect choice right now. Knows how to win, knows how to manage, goes about it the right way.
Yesterday there was 3 reasons Barca lost;
1. Bartra, guy is wank, clearly out of his comfort zone
2. No Villa, playing the way Barca play all you have to do is tuck everyone inside and let Barca go wide, because they have no one to cross too. When Villa plays you can't do that, as they actually have a world class striker in the box awaiting the delivery.
3. Messi was not ready for that game. So you in effect played with 9 men. 1 CB missing and 1 Attacker missing.
You don't need to add any world class forwards to this team, you need to find a fucking replacement for Puyol AND FAST. Someone like Williams of Swansea. Big, strong, and can play with the ball at his feet. Thats the CB barca need, another Puyol/Pique mold.
Now please, can we move on and talk about Dortmund vs Madrid xD
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Yeah I said yesterday they need Papadopoulos of schalke, he's the best defender I can think of.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51489 Posts
Also, WTF. How is Giorgos Karagounis still playing at a decent level Steveling? I mean seriously, guy is old as fuck and is still playing well for Fulham, arguably their best midfielder!
Noticed it alot vs Chelsea when we played Fulham the other week, guy was at the heart of most of the good things Fulham did, laying it into Berbatov and even linking up for shots from the box. Madness >.<
Thought he was past it years ago!
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On April 24 2013 18:40 Pandemona wrote:
Also, WTF. How is Giorgos Karagounis still playing at a decent level Steveling? I mean seriously, guy is old as fuck and is still playing well for Fulham, arguably their best midfielder!
The guy has ridiculous amounts of stamina and personal drive.
He was never talented as others but I guess training did wonders for him and that's something that doesn't go away with age.
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On April 24 2013 18:39 Steveling wrote:
Yeah I said yesterday they need Papadopoulos of schalke, he's the best defender I can think of.
Yes he'd be a good choice. They're not exactly wrong with their interest in Hummels from Dortmund, though, I'd even rate Hummels higher.
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On April 24 2013 18:44 hns wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 18:39 Steveling wrote:
Yeah I said yesterday they need Papadopoulos of schalke, he's the best defender I can think of. Yes he'd be a good choice. They're not exactly wrong with their interest in Hummels from Dortmund, though, I'd even rate Hummels higher.
Buy them both, finally place mascherano in midfield stopping chances before they even happen
=?
profit.
Meh I think I'm asking too much from barca's horrible transfers management.
They will sign neymar and get Falcao too and think they are set, lol.
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I knew Bayern was the favourite but damn! I don't see any way back for Barcelona. No way Bayern's going to concede 4+ at the Nou Camp, no matter how well their opponents play. I also don't see Bayern not scoring against them at the return leg. My guess is a Bayern vs Real final at Wembley.
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