EPT2012 - 2013 Football Thread! - Page 437
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malcram
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city42
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On May 24 2013 13:29 BeaTeR wrote: supposed? but in reality there are a lot of teams that placed 2nd-4th in their domestic leagues and playing in the Champions League. And you can't say these clubs don't deserve to compete for European Trophies. For example MU and MC won EPL and couldn't pass the group stage in CL, Chelsea was 3rd and 5th in England and won two EuroCups in a row... The reality is that the CL is nothing but a money-making machine now, which is why they began allowing non-champions into it. Between FFP (even if it's a joke) and now trying to restore some prestige to the Europa League, UEFA seems to be taking steps to make more teams relevant, as opposed to the same few clubs dominating all the headlines every year. I don't see how this is a bad thing. The current Europa League is almost not worth playing in for big clubs, since the prize money is negligible and all those Thursday-Sunday situations are terrible for their domestic season. I witnessed this first-hand with Spurs this year. Extra time at the San Siro on Thursday night caused an 0-1 home loss to Fulham on Sunday afternoon, and those 3 points were the difference in the end. Also, I'd love it if you can name me one more example of a team finishing 6th domestically and winning the CL. Using a fluke Chelsea run as an example is a poor argument. Almost every CL winner was at or near the top of their domestic league (top 4 or so). In fact, let's do it: 2012 CL winner: Chelsea, League Position: 6th 2011: Barcelona, 1st 2010: Inter, 1st 2009: Barcelona, 1st 2008: Man Utd, 1st 2007: Milan, 4th 2006: Barcelona, 1st 2005: Liverpool, 5th 2004: Porto, 1st 2003: Milan, 3rd 2002: Real Madrid, 3rd 2001: Bayern, 1st 2000: Real Madrid, 5th 1999: Man Utd, 1st 1998: Real Madrid, 4th 1997: Dortmund, 3rd 1996: Juventus, 2nd 1995: Ajax, 1st 1994: Milan, 1st 1993: Marseille, 2nd I understand your point, but in my opinion adding an extra slot makes the Europa League change meaningless. If you guarantee domestic top 4 AND Europa winners a CL spot, it just ensures that one more big club won't be playing in the Europa League the next year, which doesn't help the prestige of the competition at all. edit: Actually, it looks like none of this will matter at all. Quoting the Guardian article: Other plans being considered include whether to award a fifth Champions League place to clubs in the big European leagues and to expand the number of Europa League places on offer. Also teams who win the Champions League or Europa League but finish outside the qualifying places in their domestic campaign will no longer usurp one of their league rivals to take up their place the following season. | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
On May 24 2013 13:31 malcram wrote: tbh, I kinda agree with what Wenger says about the Europa League rewarding failure (in the event where a CL team drops into the EL). Kinda turns it into a double elimination for a champion's league spot next time for teams in the CL. perhaps they should look into changing that rule. Well it also gives the small CL teams something to play for. They might not have a chance of qualifying for the knockout stages if they get a group with two big clubs, they can play for third and go to the EL where they have a much better chance to compete. | ||
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
On May 24 2013 13:53 Ferrose wrote: Well it also gives the small CL teams something to play for. They might not have a chance of qualifying for the knockout stages if they get a group with two big clubs, they can play for third and go to the EL where they have a much better chance to compete. I don´t think so. More likely they will cancel the Europa League and expand CL to 64 teams with 2 group stages. Which would suck but EL has already the "loosers league" image, even the final wasn´t sold out. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Chelsea 3 - 4 Man City Scorers Ba 15 - Azpilicueta 44 (pen) - Oscar 54 Garcia 61- Dzeko 64 + 85 - Richards 90 Played at the Busch Stadium in St Louis in front a packed 48,000 crowd. Tickets for the game sold out within 27minutes! Well done 'Murica Cech (c) (Blackman 61); Ivanovic (Ferreira h/t), Christensen, Cahill (David Luiz h/t), Cole; Mikel Obi, Loftus-Cheek (Ake 80); Azpilicueta (Ramires ht), Mata (Oscar h/t), Benayoun (Marin 61); Ba (Torres h/t). Hart; Zabaleta (Maicon 55), Kompany (c) (Richards h/t), Rekik, Clichy; Garcia, Toure (Huws h/t); Rusnak (Milner 55), Silva (Nasri h/t), Aguero (Dzeko h/t); Tevez. Yes...Chelsea went 3-0 up and lost 4-3. FML | ||
Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
On May 24 2013 17:07 USvBleakill wrote: I don´t think so. More likely they will cancel the Europa League and expand CL to 64 teams with 2 group stages. Which would suck but EL has already the "loosers league" image, even the final wasn´t sold out. And who's fault is that if you give so few tickets out to the actual fans of the club? The Chelsea tickers were sold out and there was a lot of black market selling going on. UEFA just doesn't understand what makes the Europa league great. Anyway I've looked at the attendance of the finals in the last 10 seasons and they have all been either sold out or near full stadium capacity. So the fans care. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Uefa Confirm Europa League Winners for 13-14 Onwards Will Get Champs League Spot Guillem Ballague Reports Barca Leading Race to Sign Neymar: RM are Pushing Price Up with Last minute Bid Fabio Coentrao Looks Set To Leave Real Madrid in the Summer Stoke's Stephen Nzonzi has Handed in a Transfer Request as he looks for a Summer Move | ||
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Mensol
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NuclearJudas
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warding
Portugal2394 Posts
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
Borussia Dortmund - a buyer's guide I doubt anyone will leave after Lewandowski, Dortmund are very determined to hold on to the rest of their players, and they earned quite some money this year. | ||
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DaMuffinman
Germany1705 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On May 24 2013 22:36 NuclearJudas wrote: Players face retrospective bans in Premier League trial by video next season. About fucking time. FUCK YEAH! Finally, plus with referee's doing it as well, it will more than likely their will action being taken. Nice! | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On May 25 2013 01:10 Pandemona wrote: FUCK YEAH! Finally, plus with referee's doing it as well, it will more than likely their will action being taken. Nice! yea calling for this was starting to feel like beating a dead horse. If they implement this proper and dont pussy out with stupid shit like fines and actually dish out suspensions its going to go out of the game so fast.. | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
On May 24 2013 22:36 NuclearJudas wrote: Players face retrospective bans in Premier League trial by video next season. About fucking time. now all we need is this to be done for divers and football will be one step closer to perfection. | ||
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mavignon
France369 Posts
But it's good that the Macmanam's kind of agressions will be properly punished now. | ||
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