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On February 25 2012 07:07 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 04:18 Deadeight wrote:Thanks for the link. My immediate thought after reading that is that I know my hamstrings are too weak and my quads are too tight. It doesn't hurt though so I guess not too worry too much about it. Well, if you know you might be developing an imbalance, put some specific hamstring work into your routine. Even if it's adding to a set program like Starting Strength or whatnot. Better to be safe/healthy and mess with the program, than to potentially become injured.
Yeah you're right of course, at least it doesn't sound like I need to stop squatting or anything.
Is a hamstring machine a good idea (safe etc)? I know I'd been told to avoid leg extension machines. Someone pointed out my hamstring weakness a few months ago so I've used the machine an odd few times, but I might take it a bit more seriously for a while. I've done a lot of quad work for a few years without thinking about hams.
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On February 25 2012 07:49 Deadeight wrote:
Is a hamstring machine a good idea (safe etc)? I know I'd been told to avoid leg extension machines. Someone pointed out my hamstring weakness a few months ago so I've used the machine an odd few times, but I might take it a bit more seriously for a while. I've done a lot of quad work for a few years without thinking about hams.
Glute Ham Raise is fine afaik, it's used a LOT amongst strength athletes
In other news I've decided to carefully start adding a few cals to my diet again. If I for another two weeks I'll end up at 175pounds, which is pretty damn skinny for a 6'5 guy. Besides summer is really far away.
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On February 25 2012 07:49 Deadeight wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 07:07 eshlow wrote:On February 25 2012 04:18 Deadeight wrote:Thanks for the link. My immediate thought after reading that is that I know my hamstrings are too weak and my quads are too tight. It doesn't hurt though so I guess not too worry too much about it. Well, if you know you might be developing an imbalance, put some specific hamstring work into your routine. Even if it's adding to a set program like Starting Strength or whatnot. Better to be safe/healthy and mess with the program, than to potentially become injured. Yeah you're right of course, at least it doesn't sound like I need to stop squatting or anything. Is a hamstring machine a good idea (safe etc)? I know I'd been told to avoid leg extension machines. Someone pointed out my hamstring weakness a few months ago so I've used the machine an odd few times, but I might take it a bit more seriously for a while. I've done a lot of quad work for a few years without thinking about hams.
What about good mornings or stiff legged deadlifts?
If anything brought up my hams then it was those two gems.
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On February 25 2012 07:49 Deadeight wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 07:07 eshlow wrote:On February 25 2012 04:18 Deadeight wrote:Thanks for the link. My immediate thought after reading that is that I know my hamstrings are too weak and my quads are too tight. It doesn't hurt though so I guess not too worry too much about it. Well, if you know you might be developing an imbalance, put some specific hamstring work into your routine. Even if it's adding to a set program like Starting Strength or whatnot. Better to be safe/healthy and mess with the program, than to potentially become injured. Yeah you're right of course, at least it doesn't sound like I need to stop squatting or anything. Is a hamstring machine a good idea (safe etc)? I know I'd been told to avoid leg extension machines. Someone pointed out my hamstring weakness a few months ago so I've used the machine an odd few times, but I might take it a bit more seriously for a while. I've done a lot of quad work for a few years without thinking about hams.
Hamstring machine is OK.... glute ham raise is OK too. GMs and SLDLs or romanian DLs are all good too.
Leg extension machine you should stay far far away from. Even leg press and smith machine are better than it
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Ok brilliant, gives me some stuff to work on. Thanks for all the advice.
Looking at what SLDLs are it does surprise me that they work hamstrings... clearly showing my ignorance here as I'd always thought hams just basically worked on the knee joint, and that movement was all glutes/back. Like rotating your shoulder doesn't use your biceps (I can't be wrong on that... can I?).
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On February 25 2012 09:02 Deadeight wrote:
Ok brilliant, gives me some stuff to work on. Thanks for all the advice.
Looking at what SLDLs are it does surprise me that they work hamstrings... clearly showing my ignorance here as I'd always thought hams just basically worked on the knee joint, and that movement was all glutes/back. Like rotating your shoulder doesn't use your biceps (I can't be wrong on that... can I?).
The hams cross 2 joints so they work when the pelvis is turning like the glutes. Any type of hip extensions hits both glutes and hammies
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On February 25 2012 09:10 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 09:02 Deadeight wrote:
Ok brilliant, gives me some stuff to work on. Thanks for all the advice.
Looking at what SLDLs are it does surprise me that they work hamstrings... clearly showing my ignorance here as I'd always thought hams just basically worked on the knee joint, and that movement was all glutes/back. Like rotating your shoulder doesn't use your biceps (I can't be wrong on that... can I?). The hams cross 2 joints so they work when the pelvis is turning like the glutes. Any type of hip extensions hits both glutes and hammies
This is why glute hams raises are so good, it works both functions of the hamstring, as well as the lower back and glutes if you begin in the back raise position(requires an actual glute-ham machine to do so, obviously if you are doing them on the ground you can't go below 'flat').
Also, there is bicep function in some shoulder movement =p.
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I did 3x5 77KG Bench Press today with ease. Jelly, fellow bench press contestants?
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yes lol
i done 67.5 8-8-8 (last set helped a tiny bit)
doh
ive also created a new pretty awesome 10-minute meal. its called the dont know how to make an omelette omelette. cut up some brocolli and colliflower and steam it 7 minutes. then make scrambled egg. mmmmm works so well together
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On February 25 2012 11:16 Kamais Ookin wrote:
I did 3x5 77KG Bench Press today with ease. Jelly, fellow bench press contestants?
4 reps at 91kg on Wednesday 
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On February 25 2012 13:05 infinity21 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 11:16 Kamais Ookin wrote:
I did 3x5 77KG Bench Press today with ease. Jelly, fellow bench press contestants? 4 reps at 91kg on Wednesday Me jelly. 
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On February 25 2012 13:05 infinity21 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 11:16 Kamais Ookin wrote:
I did 3x5 77KG Bench Press today with ease. Jelly, fellow bench press contestants? 4 reps at 91kg on Wednesday
Me too, I got 81x2 on Friday. Still comin' for ya.
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I've managed one bench set of 5 reps at 75kg in my reverse pyramid, but doing it two more times afterwards - I don't think so. 
So anyway, I'm sick, got a cold or something, throat stuff, and I wanted to ask you: should I keep on my cut during this or is that going to slow me getting healthy again?
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How much training does the hamstrings acutally get in a SS routine, and is it perhaps evan recommended to include glute ham raises after a while?
A little update from me:
So, im getting closer and closer to my first goals. Unfortunately a lot of traveling lately has been in the way for workouts. Also, i got the flue and couldn't train for a week, and couldn't train hard for another week.
Current lifts (3x5):
Squat - 65 kg
Deadlift - 80 kg
Bench - 45 kg (guess i won't be joining your 100kg race
Press - 30
Pull-ups - 7,6,4
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On February 25 2012 23:24 Herrk wrote:How much training does the hamstrings acutally get in a SS routine, and is it perhaps evan recommended to include glute ham raises after a while? A little update from me: So, im getting closer and closer to my first goals. Unfortunately a lot of traveling lately has been in the way for workouts. Also, i got the flue and couldn't train for a week, and couldn't train hard for another week. Current lifts (3x5): Squat - 65 kg Deadlift - 80 kg Bench - 45 kg (guess i won't be joining your 100kg race Press - 30 Pull-ups - 7,6,4
Hams get a little left behind, but that really depends on the lifter.
Many lifters get plenty of ham stimulation from squats and deadlifts but I believe you aren't at the level right now to worry much about it.
I would just continue doing SS and focus on getting stronger on the main lifts and adding more lean mass.
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squats (especially low-bar) and deadlifts both work your posterior chain pretty well.
edit: what sjarl said no need for you to worry about this yet
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So I was thinking earlier. I know sets with high reps are good for endurance rather than strength, but I've seen body builder people at the gym, and come across body building workouts online, and they're also high rep. So do body builders build endurance muscle?
I had assumed endurance orientated muscle would be smaller, when body builders clearly just want large muscle and don't worry about function. Only thing I could come up with is that maybe by doing high rep they build lots of arteries/veins/capillaries which may give the muscle a lot of mass.
Is the muscle they build still strong? It's hard to distinguish truth from some of the myths that fly around, like I've heard things like "Body builders are just build bulk, and it's actually not strong or useful".
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On February 26 2012 01:00 Deadeight wrote:
So I was thinking earlier. I know sets with high reps are good for endurance rather than strength, but I've seen body builder people at the gym, and come across body building workouts online, and they're also high rep. So do body builders build endurance muscle?
I had assumed endurance orientated muscle would be smaller, when body builders clearly just want large muscle and don't worry about function. Only thing I could come up with is that maybe by doing high rep they build lots of arteries/veins/capillaries which may give the muscle a lot of mass.
Is the muscle they build still strong? It's hard to distinguish truth from some of the myths that fly around, like I've heard things like "Body builders are just build bulk, and it's actually not strong or useful".
Depending on what you mean by "high reps" it may not even be for endurance(also strength endurance is an odd term, your muscles don't quite work that way, although there is some truth to it, it's misleading the way it's put forth). Generally(not everyone works identically the same, some people respond to certain stimulus differently), lower reps will have the highest neural adaptation, which is a huge requirement in maximizing strength, moderate rep ranges will result in more hypertrophy, and higher rep ranges will flood the muscle with blood and lactic acid which makes it good for recovery and for lactic acid tolerance(part of why it helps with your 'muscular endurance').
These effects aren't completely exclusive. Working entirely in low rep ranges(say, 1-5) doesn't preclude you from gaining mass, and working in higher ranges doesn't stop you from getting stronger. There is no such thing as a 'weak' giant mass of a man. They may not be as strong as top tier powerlifters in their weight class, but they will certainly be strong.
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thx for info guys. And you're right, i'm not there yet, just planning for the future 
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