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On November 11 2012 07:19 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 07:15 phyre112 wrote:On November 11 2012 06:04 JingleHell wrote:On November 11 2012 06:00 shawster wrote:On November 11 2012 04:54 JingleHell wrote:
Wheee, just got back from a smallish local tournament. First place for all adults below black belt. No footage available unfortunately, at least of the finals. Might upload some of the other matches.
One of my opponents, afterwards said it was "disconcerting" that I just stood there waiting to get attacked every time.
Apparently it psyches people out that I don't feel the need to move much when there's room between us and nobody is trying to close the gap. hey grats. i used to compete at tkd as well. was never very good at sparring though lol. For me, sparring is all mental. Final was 5-1, too, against a brown belt. Me being the green belt. He didn't have an answer for tall, quick, and confident. After I scored the first point of the match, he kept trying to psych me out, but that's just not going to happen. First tournament, too. Was a blast. With some of the shit you've been through, I feel like psyching you out is actually impossible. Didn't play today - hip was feeling weak/tight, and I didn't want to take a bad hit and undo all the months I've spent rehabbing it. Was the last game of the season and it didn't count anyway. Played Fordham. A-side went 47-17 and B-side went 43-12. Great close to the season. Dumped a cooler on out coach after the game. B-side is actually undefeated, A-side goes .500, but comes out ahead in bonus points (all our losses were within 5 points, all our wins were more than 20). Tonight is song night, game night, and then a mixer with a sorority. It's also homecoming, and next weekend is alumni weekend. It's time to get weird. Hammerheads all fucking day. Awesome, sounds like fun. Just remember that picking up sorority chicks at a party is NOT like picking up girls at a gym. Mostly because it's harder to keep your body rigid when you're drunk, so a deadlift is better than a clean.
I'm strongly considering the continental clean.
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Major eating attacke tonight. Tried to prevent it with talking a long walk, drinking a shitton of onion soup to fill me up etc, but it didn't help. I basically saw it coming from miles ahead and couldn't do anything about it.
Oh well, I cannot be disciplined every day. Overall things are going quite well.
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On a whim I decided to join my wife doing Insanity (max interval plyo day or something) since her workout partner bailed. I have been humbled. Don't knock it til you try it lol.
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Finished up 2-3 in the big Ten sevens tournament putting us at 6 out of 12. Had the misfortune of playing the top two teams there then losing a super close bs game for fifth place.
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On November 11 2012 07:31 decafchicken wrote:
Finished up 2-3 in the big Ten sevens tournament putting us at 6 out of 12. Had the misfortune of playing the top two teams there then losing a super close bs game for fifth place.
Damn. Did everyone have some sort of major event today? Too bad about not winning, but chin up. Or a lot of them, to work off the rage.
That's the advantage of doing a sport where you're encouraged to hit people and break things.
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Down to 161 lb bodyweight... debating whether to just accept it and focus on bodyweight exercises or make a conscious effort to get back to my hard earned 170+
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On November 11 2012 08:05 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 07:31 decafchicken wrote:
Finished up 2-3 in the big Ten sevens tournament putting us at 6 out of 12. Had the misfortune of playing the top two teams there then losing a super close bs game for fifth place. Damn. Did everyone have some sort of major event today? Too bad about not winning, but chin up. Or a lot of them, to work off the rage. That's the advantage of doing a sport where you're encouraged to hit people and break things.
If there's any sport that's condusive to hitting people and breaking things, it's probably Rugby.
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On November 11 2012 10:50 phyre112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 08:05 JingleHell wrote:On November 11 2012 07:31 decafchicken wrote:
Finished up 2-3 in the big Ten sevens tournament putting us at 6 out of 12. Had the misfortune of playing the top two teams there then losing a super close bs game for fifth place. Damn. Did everyone have some sort of major event today? Too bad about not winning, but chin up. Or a lot of them, to work off the rage. That's the advantage of doing a sport where you're encouraged to hit people and break things. If there's any sport that's condusive to hitting people and breaking things, it's probably Rugby.
Fair enough. Different variety of hitting and breaking, though.
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On November 11 2012 11:25 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2012 10:50 phyre112 wrote:On November 11 2012 08:05 JingleHell wrote:On November 11 2012 07:31 decafchicken wrote:
Finished up 2-3 in the big Ten sevens tournament putting us at 6 out of 12. Had the misfortune of playing the top two teams there then losing a super close bs game for fifth place. Damn. Did everyone have some sort of major event today? Too bad about not winning, but chin up. Or a lot of them, to work off the rage. That's the advantage of doing a sport where you're encouraged to hit people and break things. If there's any sport that's condusive to hitting people and breaking things, it's probably Rugby. Fair enough. Different variety of hitting and breaking, though.
Haha martial arts come in to play too... Someone tried to stiff arm one of our guys that used to wrestle and he just fucking judo tossed the guy, it was fucking awesome.
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Did 1.3k swim today. Nice to do something else than lifting weights for a change.
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Missed 115kg snatch like 15 times (got under it and it went behind me) in a row T_T finally hit it but had to resort to straps. some days just frustrate me.
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Hi guys,
longtime lurker here that would appreciate some help.
I finally decided to start Starting Strength, after a year and a half of trying to fix my shoulder in an expensive "physio-oriented" gym with only machines. I'm in a cheap, huge gym now, where you're pretty much free to do whatever you want but don't get much help from trainers.
The problem is: I have quite a bad body perception and have never done any barbell training, so I'm really clueless about how to do all these exercises properly. I did squat, bench and some trying out of shoulder stuff. Bench did go ok-ish I guess. Got told today that I was gonna kill my back squatting like I did (apparently I bent way forward). Have you got any ideas on how to learn barbell exercises without a personal trainer and without any friends who do them either? I really don't want to hurt myself!
Plus do you guys have any tips for exercises for recurring shoulder dislocations? Tried 18 months of the basic rotator machines. Didn't help much. I was thinking in the direction of the stabilisation from SS's press/bench plus lat raises and db external/internal rotation?!
SS might require some nutrition efforts as well. I am a fast metaboliser and eat quite clean but without meat. Currently 73kg @ 187cm and have been for a really long time.
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On November 15 2012 06:38 metharad wrote:
Hi guys,
longtime lurker here that would appreciate some help.
I finally decided to start Starting Strength, after a year and a half of trying to fix my shoulder in an expensive "physio-oriented" gym with only machines. I'm in a cheap, huge gym now, where you're pretty much free to do whatever you want but don't get much help from trainers.
The problem is: I have quite a bad body perception and have never done any barbell training, so I'm really clueless about how to do all these exercises properly. I did squat, bench and some trying out of shoulder stuff. Bench did go ok-ish I guess. Got told today that I was gonna kill my back squatting like I did (apparently I bent way forward). Have you got any ideas on how to learn barbell exercises without a personal trainer and without any friends who do them either? I really don't want to hurt myself!
Plus do you guys have any tips for exercises for recurring shoulder dislocations? Tried 18 months of the basic rotator machines. Didn't help much. I was thinking in the direction of the stabilisation from SS's press/bench plus lat raises and db external/internal rotation?!
SS might require some nutrition efforts as well. I am a fast metaboliser and eat quite clean but without meat. Currently 73kg @ 187cm and have been for a really long time.
Read the book to learn how to actually perform the exercises - SS will teach you bench, OHP, deadlift, lowbar squats, and powercleans. You may or may not want to skip the power clean part. It will teach you how to do a version of powerclean that is good for athletics, but if you're planning on ever doing "real" olympic lifting, it's completely wrong and you will need to relearn the movement.
In addition to reading the book, there are videos all over the internet. Some are good, some are bad. If you're willing to search through this forum, you can find a LOT of the good ones.
After reading the book, the second step is to go to the gym. Do the lifts in a way that you think is what you read. Bring a camera, smartphone, laptop - whatever you have that can record video, and record yourself doing those lifts. Watch the videos. Critique them yourself, compared to what you have read and watched. Try to do better.
After that, post your videos here. Most of us have been doing these lifts for years, and have worked through the basic "wrongs" of each movement. Posters here can tell you things that you might not catch, or can give you the cues to fix things you're doing wrong but don't know why or how to correct.
After that, it's just practice practice practice, and video again. Pretty simple overall really.
As far as food - how are you getting enough protein without milk? You won't have to worry about a "fast metabolism" so long as you count your calories, but I just can't fathom eating enough without high calorie milk for someone as tall as you are (~6'1)
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On November 15 2012 06:50 phyre112 wrote:
Read the book to learn how to actually perform the exercises - SS will teach you bench, OHP, deadlift, lowbar squats, and powercleans. You may or may not want to skip the power clean part. It will teach you how to do a version of powerclean that is good for athletics, but if you're planning on ever doing "real" olympic lifting, it's completely wrong and you will need to relearn the movement.
Oh really? I wasn't aware of this, I'm kinda interested in starting Oly lifting at some point, what's wrong with how it's taught in SS? And how are the benefits it provides different from what you should be doing?
On November 15 2012 06:38 metharad wrote:
Hi guys,
longtime lurker here that would appreciate some help.
I finally decided to start Starting Strength, after a year and a half of trying to fix my shoulder in an expensive "physio-oriented" gym with only machines. I'm in a cheap, huge gym now, where you're pretty much free to do whatever you want but don't get much help from trainers.
The problem is: I have quite a bad body perception and have never done any barbell training, so I'm really clueless about how to do all these exercises properly. I did squat, bench and some trying out of shoulder stuff. Bench did go ok-ish I guess. Got told today that I was gonna kill my back squatting like I did (apparently I bent way forward). Have you got any ideas on how to learn barbell exercises without a personal trainer and without any friends who do them either? I really don't want to hurt myself!
Plus do you guys have any tips for exercises for recurring shoulder dislocations? Tried 18 months of the basic rotator machines. Didn't help much. I was thinking in the direction of the stabilisation from SS's press/bench plus lat raises and db external/internal rotation?!
SS might require some nutrition efforts as well. I am a fast metaboliser and eat quite clean but without meat. Currently 73kg @ 187cm and have been for a really long time.
As far as learning, practice is going to be your best friend, as well as videos if there's any way at all you can take them (webcam in your house doing no bar practice, cell phone, having a friend video you, anything) and then we can give you pointers from there. Your body awareness will improve as you get into lifting though, don't let it be a barrier from starting as you can't get there without practice (I'd hazard to say that nobody has naturally amazing awareness of where their body is/what it's doing, usually trained through sports or training of some sort) Just be cautious about the weights you're using so you don't injure yourself, and soon enough you'll be lifting with the best of them 
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On November 15 2012 06:50 phyre112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 06:38 metharad wrote:
Hi guys,
longtime lurker here that would appreciate some help.
I finally decided to start Starting Strength, after a year and a half of trying to fix my shoulder in an expensive "physio-oriented" gym with only machines. I'm in a cheap, huge gym now, where you're pretty much free to do whatever you want but don't get much help from trainers.
The problem is: I have quite a bad body perception and have never done any barbell training, so I'm really clueless about how to do all these exercises properly. I did squat, bench and some trying out of shoulder stuff. Bench did go ok-ish I guess. Got told today that I was gonna kill my back squatting like I did (apparently I bent way forward). Have you got any ideas on how to learn barbell exercises without a personal trainer and without any friends who do them either? I really don't want to hurt myself!
Plus do you guys have any tips for exercises for recurring shoulder dislocations? Tried 18 months of the basic rotator machines. Didn't help much. I was thinking in the direction of the stabilisation from SS's press/bench plus lat raises and db external/internal rotation?!
SS might require some nutrition efforts as well. I am a fast metaboliser and eat quite clean but without meat. Currently 73kg @ 187cm and have been for a really long time. Read the book to learn how to actually perform the exercises - SS will teach you bench, OHP, deadlift, lowbar squats, and powercleans. You may or may not want to skip the power clean part. It will teach you how to do a version of powerclean that is good for athletics, but if you're planning on ever doing "real" olympic lifting, it's completely wrong and you will need to relearn the movement. In addition to reading the book, there are videos all over the internet. Some are good, some are bad. If you're willing to search through this forum, you can find a LOT of the good ones. After reading the book, the second step is to go to the gym. Do the lifts in a way that you think is what you read. Bring a camera, smartphone, laptop - whatever you have that can record video, and record yourself doing those lifts. Watch the videos. Critique them yourself, compared to what you have read and watched. Try to do better. After that, post your videos here. Most of us have been doing these lifts for years, and have worked through the basic "wrongs" of each movement. Posters here can tell you things that you might not catch, or can give you the cues to fix things you're doing wrong but don't know why or how to correct. After that, it's just practice practice practice, and video again. Pretty simple overall really. As far as food - how are you getting enough protein without milk? You won't have to worry about a "fast metabolism" so long as you count your calories, but I just can't fathom eating enough without high calorie milk for someone as tall as you are (~6'1)
Thank you (and GJ)!
I read through the theory. I guess to put it into practice means - well - practice! Gonna try videotaping myself.
And just to clarify: I do drink milk and eat dairy products (couldn't even imagine living without that). I'm not even a real vegetarian, as I eat fish (I think it's called pescetarian, but I'm not really keen on starting a discussion about all that here ).
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On November 15 2012 07:25 metharad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 06:50 phyre112 wrote:On November 15 2012 06:38 metharad wrote:
Hi guys,
longtime lurker here that would appreciate some help.
I finally decided to start Starting Strength, after a year and a half of trying to fix my shoulder in an expensive "physio-oriented" gym with only machines. I'm in a cheap, huge gym now, where you're pretty much free to do whatever you want but don't get much help from trainers.
The problem is: I have quite a bad body perception and have never done any barbell training, so I'm really clueless about how to do all these exercises properly. I did squat, bench and some trying out of shoulder stuff. Bench did go ok-ish I guess. Got told today that I was gonna kill my back squatting like I did (apparently I bent way forward). Have you got any ideas on how to learn barbell exercises without a personal trainer and without any friends who do them either? I really don't want to hurt myself!
Plus do you guys have any tips for exercises for recurring shoulder dislocations? Tried 18 months of the basic rotator machines. Didn't help much. I was thinking in the direction of the stabilisation from SS's press/bench plus lat raises and db external/internal rotation?!
SS might require some nutrition efforts as well. I am a fast metaboliser and eat quite clean but without meat. Currently 73kg @ 187cm and have been for a really long time. Read the book to learn how to actually perform the exercises - SS will teach you bench, OHP, deadlift, lowbar squats, and powercleans. You may or may not want to skip the power clean part. It will teach you how to do a version of powerclean that is good for athletics, but if you're planning on ever doing "real" olympic lifting, it's completely wrong and you will need to relearn the movement. In addition to reading the book, there are videos all over the internet. Some are good, some are bad. If you're willing to search through this forum, you can find a LOT of the good ones. After reading the book, the second step is to go to the gym. Do the lifts in a way that you think is what you read. Bring a camera, smartphone, laptop - whatever you have that can record video, and record yourself doing those lifts. Watch the videos. Critique them yourself, compared to what you have read and watched. Try to do better. After that, post your videos here. Most of us have been doing these lifts for years, and have worked through the basic "wrongs" of each movement. Posters here can tell you things that you might not catch, or can give you the cues to fix things you're doing wrong but don't know why or how to correct. After that, it's just practice practice practice, and video again. Pretty simple overall really. As far as food - how are you getting enough protein without milk? You won't have to worry about a "fast metabolism" so long as you count your calories, but I just can't fathom eating enough without high calorie milk for someone as tall as you are (~6'1) Thank you (and GJ)! I read through the theory. I guess to put it into practice means - well - practice! Gonna try videotaping myself. And just to clarify: I do drink milk and eat dairy products (couldn't even imagine living without that). I'm not even a real vegetarian, as I eat fish (I think it's called pescetarian, but I'm not really keen on starting a discussion about all that here ).
There's a Starting Strength DVD that you can either buy or find floating around on the internet. To me, the DVD was the single most useful tool in learning the movements. There are lots of things that you read about but don't really understand until you see Rippetoe teaching ten different people the exact same thing. He also spends a lot of time correcting the trainees' mistakes and you'll learn a lot from simply seeing what mistakes other people make.
Other than that, start light and keep practising. Of all the movements, I found squat to be the most difficult to figure out in the beginning. Just keep going at it and don't push yourself too hard in the first month while you learn the technique. I'm not saying stick to squatting just the bar for a month, but for the first month, just take it a bit more easy.
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On November 15 2012 07:01 GuiltyJerk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 06:50 phyre112 wrote:
Read the book to learn how to actually perform the exercises - SS will teach you bench, OHP, deadlift, lowbar squats, and powercleans. You may or may not want to skip the power clean part. It will teach you how to do a version of powerclean that is good for athletics, but if you're planning on ever doing "real" olympic lifting, it's completely wrong and you will need to relearn the movement.
Oh really? I wasn't aware of this, I'm kinda interested in starting Oly lifting at some point, what's wrong with how it's taught in SS? And how are the benefits it provides different from what you should be doing?
Read around on www.pendlayforum.com or any site/lifting blog that talks a lot about olympic weightlifting technique. It's not that the clean is taught "wrong" by rippetoe, it's just taught "differently" ("Jump/shrug vs catapult") and it's a different that is inferior for weight lifting purposes. I wouldn't know, having awful clean form myself I have never attempted to teach anyone - but it's supposed to be easier to learn and easier to teach rippetoes way, and provides the same benefit of power development for athletes who are not weightlifters. You'll just never get to a competitive weightlifting level doing it like that.
This is what I've come to understand of the argument secondhand. Again, I'm awful at cleans, so the difference means almost nothing to me. If you want to learn the "right way" to clean, check out the videos in the OP of the oly thread. Obviously the difference between the full clean that's taught there and a power clean is that you stop the power clean above parallel.
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I went to an all you can eat establishment. Lots of chicken/veggies/fruit/milk was had. I really got my 9 dollars worth, as far as eating out/in a dining hall goes.
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On November 15 2012 06:50 phyre112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 06:38 metharad wrote:
Hi guys,
longtime lurker here that would appreciate some help.
I finally decided to start Starting Strength, after a year and a half of trying to fix my shoulder in an expensive "physio-oriented" gym with only machines. I'm in a cheap, huge gym now, where you're pretty much free to do whatever you want but don't get much help from trainers.
The problem is: I have quite a bad body perception and have never done any barbell training, so I'm really clueless about how to do all these exercises properly. I did squat, bench and some trying out of shoulder stuff. Bench did go ok-ish I guess. Got told today that I was gonna kill my back squatting like I did (apparently I bent way forward). Have you got any ideas on how to learn barbell exercises without a personal trainer and without any friends who do them either? I really don't want to hurt myself!
Plus do you guys have any tips for exercises for recurring shoulder dislocations? Tried 18 months of the basic rotator machines. Didn't help much. I was thinking in the direction of the stabilisation from SS's press/bench plus lat raises and db external/internal rotation?!
SS might require some nutrition efforts as well. I am a fast metaboliser and eat quite clean but without meat. Currently 73kg @ 187cm and have been for a really long time. Read the book to learn how to actually perform the exercises - SS will teach you bench, OHP, deadlift, lowbar squats, and powercleans. You may or may not want to skip the power clean part. It will teach you how to do a version of powerclean that is good for athletics, but if you're planning on ever doing "real" olympic lifting, it's completely wrong and you will need to relearn the movement. In addition to reading the book, there are videos all over the internet. Some are good, some are bad. If you're willing to search through this forum, you can find a LOT of the good ones. After reading the book, the second step is to go to the gym. Do the lifts in a way that you think is what you read. Bring a camera, smartphone, laptop - whatever you have that can record video, and record yourself doing those lifts. Watch the videos. Critique them yourself, compared to what you have read and watched. Try to do better. After that, post your videos here. Most of us have been doing these lifts for years, and have worked through the basic "wrongs" of each movement. Posters here can tell you things that you might not catch, or can give you the cues to fix things you're doing wrong but don't know why or how to correct. After that, it's just practice practice practice, and video again. Pretty simple overall really. As far as food - how are you getting enough protein without milk? You won't have to worry about a "fast metabolism" so long as you count your calories, but I just can't fathom eating enough without high calorie milk for someone as tall as you are (~6'1)
Also wanted to add to not be scared of the movements, this isn't rocket science. Chances of injuring yourself with light weights are pretty fucking slim, its more dangerous to play soccer tbh. Just learn steadily and add weight the same way.
With the above, never take advice from PT's (or anyone) unless you have seen them squatting heavy weights deep. The amount of morons that have given me shit, yet can't squat 100kg deep is fucking astounding. Read the book and stick to it .
This is kinda a rant, but I remember squating 167.5kg x3 while at least 2 guys wispered around I was gonna injure my back. Fuck them .
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