On September 15 2012 05:55 Daigomi wrote: Wanted to wait for the 150kg squat but my friend had a camera at gym today so I thought I might as well take a video. 147.5kg, 4RM. Technique is a bit worse than usual. I had finished a PR deadlift set (165kg x5) just before this so my stabilisers were fucking tired and I just didn't manage to stay upright properly. Still, I'll do it again on Sunday and rape it, then I'll do 150kg next week Wednesday.
Hahaha the guy at the end actually had me loling :D GJ bro, but why would you deadlift and squat max on the same day?
Haha, I didn't see that until I watched the video myself. Retarded friends :p
DL and squats on the same day is just normal SS. My squat has been progressing really quickly recently so every session is basically a PR attempt. With deadlifts, I've been working on my deadlift technique a lot so I stayed on 155kg and 160kg for a while. Yesterday just happened to be the first time I did 165kg (barring a a time 2 months ago when I did it with very poor technique).
You Deadlift before you Squat? I highly suggest to never do that...
You have a good technique on the squat. To stay upright out of the hole, bring your elbows down under the bar. It'll help the thoracic spine to stay extended and up. My squat sucks and I good morning the heavy weights but when I place the elbows properly it fixes things up.
Stay strong
Thank Blonde, I'll have a look at that. I've had some issues with my wrists getting fucked if I pull my elbows down, but both you and GoTunk have suggested it now so I guess I have to look into it :p Is there any reason you prefer not to deadlift before you squat? I squat and DL on the same day every second session but I don't really have a preference for which one to do first. I usually just do whatever I want to progress most with first.
So I'm having trouble with squatz. I'll upload a video soon for critiques, but basically my knees are always buckling past my toes. I can't keep the barbell above my heels and I'm not even going rock bottom, barely parallel. Edit: I don't think I'm going too heavy either... its just 40 kg =_=
On September 15 2012 05:55 Daigomi wrote: Wanted to wait for the 150kg squat but my friend had a camera at gym today so I thought I might as well take a video. 147.5kg, 4RM. Technique is a bit worse than usual. I had finished a PR deadlift set (165kg x5) just before this so my stabilisers were fucking tired and I just didn't manage to stay upright properly. Still, I'll do it again on Sunday and rape it, then I'll do 150kg next week Wednesday.
Hahaha the guy at the end actually had me loling :D GJ bro, but why would you deadlift and squat max on the same day?
Haha, I didn't see that until I watched the video myself. Retarded friends :p
DL and squats on the same day is just normal SS. My squat has been progressing really quickly recently so every session is basically a PR attempt. With deadlifts, I've been working on my deadlift technique a lot so I stayed on 155kg and 160kg for a while. Yesterday just happened to be the first time I did 165kg (barring a a time 2 months ago when I did it with very poor technique).
You Deadlift before you Squat? I highly suggest to never do that...
You have a good technique on the squat. To stay upright out of the hole, bring your elbows down under the bar. It'll help the thoracic spine to stay extended and up. My squat sucks and I good morning the heavy weights but when I place the elbows properly it fixes things up.
Stay strong
Thank Blonde, I'll have a look at that. I've had some issues with my wrists getting fucked if I pull my elbows down, but both you and GoTunk have suggested it now so I guess I have to look into it :p Is there any reason you prefer not to deadlift before you squat? I squat and DL on the same day every second session but I don't really have a preference for which one to do first. I usually just do whatever I want to progress most with first.
You can deadlift with a fatigued back if you use intra abdominal pressure properly but squatting wirh a fatigued back is playing with fire. The deadlift is more demanding on you CNS and takes longer to recover because you have the bar in your hands. And personnally, I find Squating helps the deadlift more than deadlift helps squat. It does of course, but to a lesser extend. Squat more and pull less. It's a better way to progress.
On September 16 2012 00:43 ShadeR wrote: So I'm having trouble with squatz. I'll upload a video soon for critiques, but basically my knees are always buckling past my toes. I can't keep the barbell above my heels and I'm not even going rock bottom, barely parallel.
That can be caused by so many things, including a lack of flexibility.
Just for interests sake, quickly do a bodyweight squat as follows: Place your legs really wide apart (like, 20% wider than shoulder width) with your feet angled out at a 40-45 degree angle. Then push your knees out over your feet (so push them out at a 40-45 degree angle) and try going down with your ass. You generally don't have to push your legs out very far. Because you are pushing your legs wider, they get out of the way of your ass more quickly which generally means you can go down pretty easily. It may not work for you, but it generally makes it much easier to keep your knees from going too far forward.
On September 15 2012 05:55 Daigomi wrote: Wanted to wait for the 150kg squat but my friend had a camera at gym today so I thought I might as well take a video. 147.5kg, 4RM. Technique is a bit worse than usual. I had finished a PR deadlift set (165kg x5) just before this so my stabilisers were fucking tired and I just didn't manage to stay upright properly. Still, I'll do it again on Sunday and rape it, then I'll do 150kg next week Wednesday.
Hahaha the guy at the end actually had me loling :D GJ bro, but why would you deadlift and squat max on the same day?
Haha, I didn't see that until I watched the video myself. Retarded friends :p
DL and squats on the same day is just normal SS. My squat has been progressing really quickly recently so every session is basically a PR attempt. With deadlifts, I've been working on my deadlift technique a lot so I stayed on 155kg and 160kg for a while. Yesterday just happened to be the first time I did 165kg (barring a a time 2 months ago when I did it with very poor technique).
You Deadlift before you Squat? I highly suggest to never do that...
You have a good technique on the squat. To stay upright out of the hole, bring your elbows down under the bar. It'll help the thoracic spine to stay extended and up. My squat sucks and I good morning the heavy weights but when I place the elbows properly it fixes things up.
Stay strong
Thank Blonde, I'll have a look at that. I've had some issues with my wrists getting fucked if I pull my elbows down, but both you and GoTunk have suggested it now so I guess I have to look into it :p Is there any reason you prefer not to deadlift before you squat? I squat and DL on the same day every second session but I don't really have a preference for which one to do first. I usually just do whatever I want to progress most with first.
You can deadlift with a fatigued back if you use intra abdominal pressure properly but squatting wirh a fatigued back is playing with fire. The deadlift is more demanding on you CNS and takes longer to recover because you have the bar in your hands. And personnally, I find Squating helps the deadlift more than deadlift helps squat. It does of course, but to a lesser extend. Squat more and pull less. It's a better way to progress.
Cool thanks, I'll take that into consideration for the future.
Thanks for the response Dai. Tried what you suggested, I don't notice too much of a difference between that and feet at shoulder width in terms of going ass to the grass. Which has me rethinking that maybe i am going too heavy... anyway heres the video. I'm leaning forward a heck of a lot so the bars centre of gravity is actually above my toes as opposed to my heels, theres a fair bit of sway too. I think part of why i'm leaning forward is i'm afraid the weight will just roll right off my back... Next week i'll just squat with the bar alone and see if i can get that "4" posture and rock bottom.
For reference it's my third week squating and deadlifting. Deadlift seems to be progressing well.
On September 16 2012 02:14 ShadeR wrote: Thanks for the response Dai. Tried what you suggested, I don't notice too much of a difference between that and feet at shoulder width in terms of going ass to the grass. Which has me rethinking that maybe i am going too heavy... anyway heres the video. I'm leaning forward a heck of a lot so the bars centre of gravity is actually above my toes as opposed to my heels, theres a fair bit of sway too. I think part of why i'm leaning forward is i'm afraid the weight will just roll right off my back... Next week i'll just squat with the bar alone and see if i can get that "4" posture and rock bottom.
For reference it's my third week squating and deadlifting. Deadlift seems to be progressing well.
Edit: first time uploading to youtube forgot to fix tilted screen.
Haha, it's so difficult to judge anything from that video since it's tilted. Tilting my head only seems to make it worse!
If it was a case of the bar being too heavy, you should be able to do a proper bodyweight squat. Since you say there wasn't too much of a difference, it's either a technique thing or a flexibility thing. Have you had a look at the SS DVD by any chance? I was squatting around 100kg before I watched it but squats always felt awkward. After watching it squats have felt much better and I've been making progress much more consistently, so if you haven't watched it I suggest you do (it's floating around on the internet so it shouldn't be too hard to get).
Personally, I wouldn't suggest going too light with the bar right now since the one thing I could see from your video was that it wasn't too difficult. However, I would suggest you use every chance you get to practice squat technique, even if it's just doing a few extra sets of bodyweight squats. I'm really think almost anyone can squat ATG if they do a proper low bar squat with a wide stance. Once your legs are out of the way, there should be nothing stopping your ass from going all the way down.
Anyway, have a look at the video and see if that helps.
I've found that a wider stance with a greater angle on my feet makes it much easier to maintain form, but also makes me weaker. Closer stance and feet more pointed forward lets me squat more but is uncomfortable and causes my form to break down at the bottom. I dunno which to work on.
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