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zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-13 14:16:07
August 13 2012 14:15 GMT
#6101
kona: First I would really advise against dropping more weight. 65kg at 176 is rather on the low end.

For muscle build up you should go for one of the strength building programs described here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=261928

Since you said yourself lack of muscle is your primary issue I would up the gym / strength training to 3 times a week and possibly reduce cycling / running / swimming. If you can do both without hurting your recovery too much you can keep doing cardio too of course. This is something you will have to try out for yourself.
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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-13 14:23:12
August 13 2012 14:20 GMT
#6102
On August 13 2012 23:02 konadora wrote:
I hope I can do something about my body. After going through some rough times that involved me leading to depression (and thus getting through that by excessive eating and staying at home), i finally decided that my health is getting way out of hand. I used to clock 9mins 30secs running 1.5miles but now i can barely hit 15mins. Doesnt help that im suffering from petalla tendinitis with some weird defect in my knees that has forced me to undergo steroid injection therapy and physiotherapy. The condition has gotten better over the months so i started running again. My knees still hurt but its much better than before. Anyway, here are some info for me lol.
ID: konadora
Weight: 65kg
Height: 176cm
By BMI my weight should be fine but thing is, i feel and i know that most of the weight comes from fats and not muscle mass. My goal is to lose all that fats (mostly in abdominal area + thigh area) and gain muscle mass in return. About the diet, it is kinda hard since im stuck with my army camp's cookhouse food, but i have been selectively choosing which food to eat. I've also been doing exercises such as jogging, cycling and swimming three times a week. I've already lost 7kg over 3months, and i plan to lose a couple more of fats over the next two months. I've also been hitting the gym twice a week to do work out for my chest and arms, which are very thin as compared to my legs.

Is there anything i am doing good/bad and any area i can improve on?
Thanks in advance guys


Only because I <3 U kona:

1. you can't really spot reduce
2. a solid beginner program like SS or SL (read the stickies in this forum) will give you amazing results
3. eating healthy is always good regardless what you are doing
4. cardio is obviously good for you, but you probably don't want to do both weightlifting and cardio at the same time, pick one; I think lifting weight at this point is probably good for you, for 6 months ish at least, it'll give you a very good foundation for physical activities, then you can figure out what you want to do
5. try a program (see #2) rather than coming up with your own or listening to 'that guy'

Yea, I'm recommending SS like everyone else would in this thread, but really, given his goals, it's what's best for him.

And yea, don't drop any more weight, I'd probably aim for 70 Kg as a minimum (you'll still look very good don't worry ) and possibly move up to 75 Kg if you are keen on lifting, or figure out what you want to do after you hit some results. I'm at 179 and varying b/w 75 and 80 depending on how much skin I want to expose
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20166 Posts
August 13 2012 15:00 GMT
#6103
ughhhhhhhhhhh tried to drop in at a crossfit by my parents and they told me i couldn't do my lifts off to the side because it's a safety hazard. doing anything other than the workout of the day is apparently going to injure everyone. Currently outside of D.C. in NOVA if anyones got any recommendations.

@kona, listen to cambium

how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
August 13 2012 16:15 GMT
#6104
Cambium, wanna expand on the number 4? Because that's one interesting claim.
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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
August 13 2012 16:44 GMT
#6105
I feel like you are very subtly challenging me on something, so, okay which part?
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decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20166 Posts
August 13 2012 16:44 GMT
#6106
On August 14 2012 01:15 Xiphos wrote:
Cambium, wanna expand on the number 4? Because that's one interesting claim.

It's easier to focus on one thing, working on both cardiovascular endurance and weight / muscle gain can be counter productive. It will be better to fix his body composition and weight first and then it will be easier to achieve his next goal after he has a stronger foundation to work from.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
August 13 2012 16:49 GMT
#6107

4. cardio is obviously good for you, but you probably don't want to do both weightlifting and cardio at the same time, pick one; I think lifting weight at this point is probably good for you, for 6 months ish at least, it'll give you a very good foundation for physical activities, then you can figure out what you want to do


Anyway, I'm gonna sleep pretty soon, so this is what I said, I think it's pretty self-explanatory, and I don't see any 'claims' other than "but you probably don't want to do both weightlifting and cardio at the same time".

Cardio can be detrimental to recovery especially if you are a novice and following a rigorous program like SS or SL, and that's why I didn't think it'd be a good idea to do both?
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
August 13 2012 16:50 GMT
#6108
@decaf
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
August 13 2012 16:52 GMT
#6109
On August 14 2012 01:49 Cambium wrote:
Show nested quote +

4. cardio is obviously good for you, but you probably don't want to do both weightlifting and cardio at the same time, pick one; I think lifting weight at this point is probably good for you, for 6 months ish at least, it'll give you a very good foundation for physical activities, then you can figure out what you want to do


Anyway, I'm gonna sleep pretty soon, so this is what I said, I think it's pretty self-explanatory, and I don't see any 'claims' other than "but you probably don't want to do both weightlifting and cardio at the same time".

Cardio can be detrimental to recovery especially if you are a novice and following a rigorous program like SS or SL, and that's why I didn't think it'd be a good idea to do both?


Huh, never thought of it that way.
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Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
August 13 2012 18:22 GMT
#6110
Managed 2 worksets of deadlifts before my arm started hurting too much. Had to skip chins. OK with it though, cause I just deadlifted my old PR again and it wasn't even heavy. Hitting 140 before 2013 will be a snap.

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mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
August 14 2012 01:41 GMT
#6111
Hahaha if you select "Curls in the Squat Rack" to log an exercise in Fitocracy a dialog box pops up that says "Srsly bro???"

Don't worry I just saw it and clicked because it was humorously specific.

Ran 2.5 mi with push ups and pull up variations and some other stuff thrown in there then didn't have time for more. Gotta get the endurance up!
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AndyJay
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Australia833 Posts
August 14 2012 02:57 GMT
#6112
On August 14 2012 00:00 decafchicken wrote:
ughhhhhhhhhhh tried to drop in at a crossfit by my parents and they told me i couldn't do my lifts off to the side because it's a safety hazard. doing anything other than the workout of the day is apparently going to injure everyone.


I was curious about this, I'm looking for a new place to train with rings/oly lifting/whatever and a crossfit gym would be great but I don't know if you can just rock up during opening times and train yourself. I'll have to go and check out my local one I but I feel it'll be the same .
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20166 Posts
August 14 2012 03:00 GMT
#6113
It depends. Try calling ahead. I ended up going to a different one and they let me do my thing. It varies but most of the crossfits i've been to are usually okay with me doing my own thing (especially when they've never seen someone lift as much as i have :p) but i've heard some can be really narrow.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Deadeight
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1629 Posts
August 14 2012 18:17 GMT
#6114
I know I'm late, but I just saw the batman movie. Bane is one beasty motherfucker.

I've concocted my own routine and I'm calling it the "Bane Workout". It looks like this:

Mon- Shrugs and Snatches
Tue- DB Shoulder Press
Wed- Kroc Rows
Thu- Power Shrugs
Fri- DB Front and Side Raises
Sat- More Shrugs
Sun- Hang Cleans. And some shrugs.
shawster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada2485 Posts
August 14 2012 18:22 GMT
#6115
On August 15 2012 03:17 Deadeight wrote:
I know I'm late, but I just saw the batman movie. Bane is one beasty motherfucker.

I've concocted my own routine and I'm calling it the "Bane Workout". It looks like this:

Mon- Shrugs and Snatches
Tue- DB Shoulder Press
Wed- Kroc Rows
Thu- Power Shrugs
Fri- DB Front and Side Raises
Sat- More Shrugs
Sun- Hang Cleans. And some shrugs.


SS - starting shrugs by tom hardy
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20166 Posts
August 14 2012 18:40 GMT
#6116
in his defense he has quite possibly the most useful exercise ever right after the most useless exercise ever.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
ZeaL.
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5955 Posts
August 14 2012 20:17 GMT
#6117
So TL, I've got a problem. I've started working out over the last 3 months but instead of gaining muscle weight I've been losing weight. I'm 6 ft and 130 lb right now (182 cm, 59 kg) and I've lost about7 lb since I started lifting again. I lift 4 days a week or so and a typical workout would be something like curls, deadlifts, lat pulldowns, tricep pushdowns, and some bicycles. Its not meant to be anything super serious, just something more than sedentaryness. I was also biking 15 miles a day to go to school/back for awhile and when I was biking/lifting my appetite skyrocketed. Currently I only bike on the weekends for recreation.

So what do you guys recommend for this? I am going up in weight slightly but I feel like I'm not getting enough food to gain weight but its hard to force myself to eat more than I already do (and I do eat quite a bit, mostly carbs and lean protein). Should I get some bulking mix or something?
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-14 20:25:50
August 14 2012 20:23 GMT
#6118
59kg at 6 foot

it gets easier to eat big the more you try to do it. a decent way is to add rice to every meal, and when you've finished the meal just keep shovelling rice into your mouth. after a week of that your capacity will have shot up.

also a lot of us drink 2+ litres of milk per day ON TOP of everything else. you can add some bananas in a blender if you want, thats another 300kcal and better taste.

if you cant be fucked with this then i would spend £50 on your favourite ice cream, pizzas, sausages, burgers, jacket potatoes & cheese, chicken nuggets, fried chicken, crisps, snacks, chocolate, whatever junk food you can cram down. you need to goddamn eat.
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decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20166 Posts
August 14 2012 21:02 GMT
#6119
On August 15 2012 05:17 ZeaL. wrote:
So TL, I've got a problem. I've started working out over the last 3 months but instead of gaining muscle weight I've been losing weight. I'm 6 ft and 130 lb right now (182 cm, 59 kg) and I've lost about7 lb since I started lifting again. I lift 4 days a week or so and a typical workout would be something like curls, deadlifts, lat pulldowns, tricep pushdowns, and some bicycles. Its not meant to be anything super serious, just something more than sedentaryness. I was also biking 15 miles a day to go to school/back for awhile and when I was biking/lifting my appetite skyrocketed. Currently I only bike on the weekends for recreation.

So what do you guys recommend for this? I am going up in weight slightly but I feel like I'm not getting enough food to gain weight but its hard to force myself to eat more than I already do (and I do eat quite a bit, mostly carbs and lean protein). Should I get some bulking mix or something?


Wow. You need to eat food. like 3-4000 calores a day. lots of fat and protein. check the nutrition and training stickies.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
August 14 2012 21:41 GMT
#6120
it seems like a no brainer but, people, please, read the stickies first, I know you want to get some "personal" advice here, but reading the stickies will save you (and us too) some time.

Seriously, everyone in this forum has read the stickies one or twice and even more. People have made revisions (ask eshlow, he has made revisions from the first thread made by Energies), and we all have been making changes here and there to prevent the stickies getting outdated.

Also, Zeal, eat bro. Shug everything that comes your way, you should be eating a lot to gain some weight, and bulking is one of the fun things in life. You just eat like a fucking dinosaur and not give a fuck about shit :D!
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