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FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
April 16 2012 10:31 GMT
#3421
nah man i think first workout back from any break sucks. see how you are in 1-2 sessions time, i think that lost 20kg will not be lost after all.
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FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-16 12:47:32
April 16 2012 12:43 GMT
#3422
yesterday:
squat 85kg 3x5 ish with shit form
bench warmup to 60kg 1x5

today:
squat 70kg 5-3-1-1-1 ish
press 47.5kg 5-5-5 phew!
clean warmup with one at 60kg. form is MUCH improved 100x now i realise how to do the pull (ie with your legs not with your arms lol) however my legs were dead and im shit at it anyway

both days was sleep at midnight until 11.30am ish and then rush/out of time

still stretching 5++ minutes a day but only a few squat stretches
didnt go to gym for long long time (6 days without squat, 9+ days without bench) so everything is fallen apart lately but im cleaning it up again so dont worry
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Paiva
Profile Joined April 2012
Denmark6 Posts
April 16 2012 14:52 GMT
#3423
thank you all for the feedback
The only time "success" comes before "work" is in the dictionary
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
April 16 2012 15:13 GMT
#3424
On April 16 2012 21:43 FFGenerations wrote:
didnt go to gym for long long time (6 days without squat, 9+ days without bench) so everything is fallen apart lately but im cleaning it up again so dont worry

Do it! Clean that bedroom and hit the gym!
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
April 16 2012 15:58 GMT
#3425
So I did deadlifts again this morning. Haven't done them in like 2 weeks due to fear of making my back worse. This morning I said fuck it and did it anyway. Felt good, back is no worse than before (though it has been bothering me for two weeks now).

Gotta say, I enjoy deadlifting. I'm currently enjoying most of my exercises (went back to a split routine), except for lunges. Hurts muh crotch!
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
April 16 2012 17:02 GMT
#3426
BP: 97.5x2, 105x2, 112.5x2, 120x1
Deadlift: 150kgx1, 165x1, 180x1x3

Today is deadlift "light day", on friday I'm going for PR. My goal is to pull 210 without a belt (previous 1rm). Felt really solid pulling 180.
Deadeight
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1629 Posts
April 16 2012 17:36 GMT
#3427
I too am enjoying all my exercises... except I am hating front squats. They feel terrible. Did them again today and the bar was in my neck the whole time, and yet still felt like it was going to fall off the front, I don't really like them. I'll keep working at it though, only done them for a couple of weeks.
BlondeOnBlonde
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada150 Posts
April 16 2012 20:08 GMT
#3428
Now training in a gym, which means im going FULL WESTSIDE BARBELL CONJUGATE METHOD INFLUENCED TRAINING MODE !! :D

I will be able to hit my weaknesses so hard now... expect awesome PRs!

So basicly, i'll do 8 weeks of accumulation block, and then, go for a 4 week intensification block later on.

Today;

Speed work for time

185lbs box squat; 15 doubles
275lbs deadlift; 10 singles

-- was done in 16 mins. Next week will do 20 sets of squat and 12 sets of deadlift within 20 mins.

Strict Good mornings: 165lbs x2x10
super set
Pistols: 50lbs 2x6

Back extensions: 90lbs 4x12
Standing ab crunches: 120x4x12
KOVU
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark708 Posts
April 16 2012 20:26 GMT
#3429
On April 17 2012 05:08 BlondeOnBlonde wrote:
Now training in a gym, which means im going FULL WESTSIDE BARBELL CONJUGATE METHOD INFLUENCED TRAINING MODE !! :D

I will be able to hit my weaknesses so hard now... expect awesome PRs!

So basicly, i'll do 8 weeks of accumulation block, and then, go for a 4 week intensification block later on.

Today;

Speed work for time

185lbs box squat; 15 doubles
275lbs deadlift; 10 singles

-- was done in 16 mins. Next week will do 20 sets of squat and 12 sets of deadlift within 20 mins.

Strict Good mornings: 165lbs x2x10
super set
Pistols: 50lbs 2x6

Back extensions: 90lbs 4x12
Standing ab crunches: 120x4x12

Oooh shit, this will be good
Ludrik
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Australia523 Posts
April 16 2012 23:47 GMT
#3430
Hell yeah just hit a new deadlift PR of 1x145 kg @78kg BW! I was only planning to lift 130kg today but felt so good during warmups I just threw my plan out the window. Finally making some progress after being inconsistent for so long. My last DL PR was 1x140kg on September 14.

I haven't really been following a structured plan. I'm focusing atm on deadlift so I've just been deadlifting everytime I lift to a daily 1-3 rep max. The focus has been less daily volume but more overall frequency. Squats have gone on the backburner temporarily for at least the next week.
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mcmartini
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia1972 Posts
April 17 2012 00:29 GMT
#3431
Goal Met, got a job, bringing stability and schedule to my life, job is out on a mine site with Fly in Fly out 4 on 3 off roster and they have a full gym out there so not going to miss any training days. EXCELLENT!!! :D Going for 70kg squat today as well after the medical (Which I have no way of failing) will be new PR :D
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GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
April 17 2012 00:53 GMT
#3432
On April 17 2012 08:47 Ludrik wrote:
Hell yeah just hit a new deadlift PR of 1x145 kg @78kg BW! I was only planning to lift 130kg today but felt so good during warmups I just threw my plan out the window. Finally making some progress after being inconsistent for so long. My last DL PR was 1x140kg on September 14.

I haven't really been following a structured plan. I'm focusing atm on deadlift so I've just been deadlifting everytime I lift to a daily 1-3 rep max. The focus has been less daily volume but more overall frequency. Squats have gone on the backburner temporarily for at least the next week.


If u wanna work on ur deadlift only find "power to the people!" by pavel tsatsouline and follow it to the letter. You should be pulling 160-190kg withing 3 months.
Catch
Profile Joined September 2010
United States616 Posts
April 17 2012 01:44 GMT
#3433
On April 16 2012 07:05 FFGenerations wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2012 06:45 Catch wrote:
On April 16 2012 05:37 mordek wrote:
On April 16 2012 03:54 Catch wrote:
On April 16 2012 03:23 mordek wrote:
What is a butt wink?


Look at his ass (no homo) on the first set, then look at it on the third set. That's a butt wink.

Basically when your glutes go under the spine is the best way it can be described. His isn't that bad, but it can get worse.

I see thanks Is that a hamstring flexibility issue?


Not usually, although sometimes it can be. It's more of a biomechanical issue. The bones of the femur hit the pelvic girdle, so the lower spine can not stay rigid and must compensate by bending to get lower.

Simple way to test what I'm talking about: Try squatting low with an narrow stance. You either can't continue to get lower or your lower back rounds. It's because of what I said above.

Now try squatting with a wider stance and shove your knees out as you do. You should be able to get parallel (and below) pretty easy this way while keeping the back rigid and straight. Your femur is cleared from the pelvic girdle by shoving the knees out, allowing depth.

Hope that answers the question.



if you cant do a 3rd world squat with no shoes (with feet flat on the ground) then i think you should work towards that. i dont know if it helps with this issue in particular but its something to work towards regardless. once you can do that, probably any choice of squatting stance becomes available to you


Isn't a third world squat just basically a super narrow squat? When I think of it, I think of the baby picture Eshlow always posts lol.

Anyways, that might be a way to notice hamstring flexibility, but that's not how you do a squat with a barbell. In the 3rd world, your back is rounded, not rigid, and your butt is underneath your spine. That's fine if the load is only yourself, but once you get up to 400 pounds something like that would fuck you up.

I think 3rd world is basically a measure of flexibility (and balance I guess). Then again, this is if I'm understanding what you mean by third world squat ^^ Cheers.
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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-17 02:42:04
April 17 2012 02:41 GMT
#3434
On April 17 2012 10:44 Catch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2012 07:05 FFGenerations wrote:
On April 16 2012 06:45 Catch wrote:
On April 16 2012 05:37 mordek wrote:
On April 16 2012 03:54 Catch wrote:
On April 16 2012 03:23 mordek wrote:
What is a butt wink?


Look at his ass (no homo) on the first set, then look at it on the third set. That's a butt wink.

Basically when your glutes go under the spine is the best way it can be described. His isn't that bad, but it can get worse.

I see thanks Is that a hamstring flexibility issue?


Not usually, although sometimes it can be. It's more of a biomechanical issue. The bones of the femur hit the pelvic girdle, so the lower spine can not stay rigid and must compensate by bending to get lower.

Simple way to test what I'm talking about: Try squatting low with an narrow stance. You either can't continue to get lower or your lower back rounds. It's because of what I said above.

Now try squatting with a wider stance and shove your knees out as you do. You should be able to get parallel (and below) pretty easy this way while keeping the back rigid and straight. Your femur is cleared from the pelvic girdle by shoving the knees out, allowing depth.

Hope that answers the question.



if you cant do a 3rd world squat with no shoes (with feet flat on the ground) then i think you should work towards that. i dont know if it helps with this issue in particular but its something to work towards regardless. once you can do that, probably any choice of squatting stance becomes available to you


Isn't a third world squat just basically a super narrow squat? When I think of it, I think of the baby picture Eshlow always posts lol.

Anyways, that might be a way to notice hamstring flexibility, but that's not how you do a squat with a barbell. In the 3rd world, your back is rounded, not rigid, and your butt is underneath your spine. That's fine if the load is only yourself, but once you get up to 400 pounds something like that would fuck you up.

I think 3rd world is basically a measure of flexibility (and balance I guess). Then again, this is if I'm understanding what you mean by third world squat ^^ Cheers.


Babies have very good lumbar positioning without rounding of the low back

http://www.bootcampfitnesskc.com/_wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Squat-Baby.jpg
http://davidlasnier.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/BABY-SQUAT.jpg

3rd world squat should have enough hamstring flexibility to keep lumbar neutral but often not the case for adults, and most adults need to work on improved hip mobility and ankle mobility as well.

It's not super narrow.... feet about shoulder width maybe slightly out.

You should be able to squat ATG with good form and heavy weights
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shawster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada2485 Posts
April 17 2012 02:42 GMT
#3435
2 questions

my schedule is kinda wack. sometimes i find it hard to stick to a workout schedule. is maintaining a steady 3 on 4 off schedule that vital? what if you do like 2 workouts 1 week then 4 another?

and is working out after playing sports all right?
Ludrik
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Australia523 Posts
April 17 2012 06:07 GMT
#3436
On April 17 2012 09:53 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 08:47 Ludrik wrote:
Hell yeah just hit a new deadlift PR of 1x145 kg @78kg BW! I was only planning to lift 130kg today but felt so good during warmups I just threw my plan out the window. Finally making some progress after being inconsistent for so long. My last DL PR was 1x140kg on September 14.

I haven't really been following a structured plan. I'm focusing atm on deadlift so I've just been deadlifting everytime I lift to a daily 1-3 rep max. The focus has been less daily volume but more overall frequency. Squats have gone on the backburner temporarily for at least the next week.


If u wanna work on ur deadlift only find "power to the people!" by pavel tsatsouline and follow it to the letter. You should be pulling 160-190kg withing 3 months.

Thanks man. I'm looking at some reviews for it now and it seems fairly interesting.
Only a fool would die laughing. I was a fool.
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-17 12:05:28
April 17 2012 12:05 GMT
#3437
Had a nice finish to cycle 3, it told me to deadlift 190kg x 1 and then I finished it up with 200kg x 5.

My start is wayyyyy to slow and grip has starting to become an issue so there will be more defecit deadlifts and row in the weeks to come.

@Blonde: congrats man! going to be awesome.
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Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
April 17 2012 18:19 GMT
#3438
On April 17 2012 09:53 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 08:47 Ludrik wrote:
Hell yeah just hit a new deadlift PR of 1x145 kg @78kg BW! I was only planning to lift 130kg today but felt so good during warmups I just threw my plan out the window. Finally making some progress after being inconsistent for so long. My last DL PR was 1x140kg on September 14.

I haven't really been following a structured plan. I'm focusing atm on deadlift so I've just been deadlifting everytime I lift to a daily 1-3 rep max. The focus has been less daily volume but more overall frequency. Squats have gone on the backburner temporarily for at least the next week.


If u wanna work on ur deadlift only find "power to the people!" by pavel tsatsouline and follow it to the letter. You should be pulling 160-190kg withing 3 months.


I googled power to the people and found this summary:

+ Show Spoiler +
Power to the People Program (strength not size)

Workout five days per week: Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday. Every workout is the same. Workouts take about 25 minutes.

A deadlift variant
today's work weight x 5 reps
90% of today's work weight x 5 reps

A press variant
today's work weight x 5 reps
90% of today's work weight x 5 reps
Do not attempt a rep if there is any chance you might fail!
Standard mixed grip deadlift (alternate grip each set) is suggested but other variants are also mentioned and explained
Side press is suggested (which must mean doing it on both sides) but other presses are also mentioned and explained
3-5 seconds up for deadlift and press
drop weight to floor for deadlift
3-5 seconds down for press
3-5 minutes rest between sets
You can swap the order and do the press before the deadlift if you want to.
Use chalk. No belt. No straps. No shoes (deadlift slippers ok if your gym requires shoes)
No pre-workout stretching or warm-up sets. If you must then just do a couple lighter sets with two or three reps just to get into the groove. I haven't read the power stretching chapter thoroughly.

Cycling
Effective cycles are 8-16 workouts.
Deadlift and press cycles can be independent.
Start a cycle with 70-80% of your 5RM or a weight you can comfortably do 10 reps.
You can increase the weights in a linear, flexible wave, structured wave, or step pattern during the cycle. Linear is +5 pounds per workout. Flexible wave is +5 pounds per workout and decrease weight when feeling tired and then work upwards again. Structured wave is +5 pounds per workout for four workouts and then -15 pounds and then work upwards again. Step pattern is +5 pounds then same weight for a one or several more workouts followed by another increase.


Is this accurate? Do you have any experience with this program it seems easy lol.
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Daigomi
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
South Africa4316 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-17 19:06:19
April 17 2012 19:03 GMT
#3439
Crossposting this from the PR thread, since I'm fairly happy with the progress and since it has pretty pictures:

On April 16 2012 01:23 Daigomi wrote:
I've been doing SS for almost exactly six months (if you exclude a month in the middle where I couldn't do anything), so I thought it was about time to post an update. Six months ago I had never been in a gym in my life, and I hadn't exercised in 6 or 7 years, so I was very weak:

6 months ago
BW: 82kg (180cm height)
Squat: 45kg (5x5)
Deadlift 50kg (5x5)
Bench: 30kg (5x5)
Press: 20kg (5x5)
Chin-ups: 3-3-2 (started in December)

After six months, I'm feeling a bit less like a weakling, but there's still lots of progress to be made. Current stats:

Current
BW: 83kg
Squat: 130kg (5RM)
Deadlift: 150kg (5RM)
Bench: 75kg (3x5)
Press: 57kg (5RM)
Chin-ups (bodyweight): 9
Chin-ups (weighted): 8kg (3x5)
Dips (weighted): 11kg (3x5)

Also, here are some graphs of the progress. I'm only showing the max weight per session, and the width of the bar indicates number of reps:

+ Show Spoiler [Graphs] +

[image loading]
*The dips in the graph are either from resetting or from small back injuries. If they coincide with a deadlift dip, it's because of an injury.

[image loading]

[image loading]

[image loading]
*I used to log press as military press, so the graph doesn't cover my first few sessions.

[image loading]
*This includes all the sets, not just the max, as that is more informative. Also note that I excluded the first few sessions, as I was doing half pull-ups then, not proper pull-ups. From 9 March the sets of 5 are weighted, but the graph doesn't show the weight.
:D

I've got a question regarding squats. I've gone up by about 20kg in the last month, but I'm starting to lean forward when I squat. It's strange because my weight doesn't shift from the heels of my feet, but when I go up my ass moves independently from my chest, so I'm forced to pull my chest up with my back. Is there anything I can focus on to stop this, and if not, how should I exercise to prevent this? Simply go 10kg back on squats and wait for my back to gain some strength?
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KOVU
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark708 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-17 19:17:14
April 17 2012 19:11 GMT
#3440
On April 18 2012 04:03 Daigomi wrote:
Crossposting this from the PR thread, since I'm fairly happy with the progress and since it has pretty pictures:

Show nested quote +
On April 16 2012 01:23 Daigomi wrote:
I've been doing SS for almost exactly six months (if you exclude a month in the middle where I couldn't do anything), so I thought it was about time to post an update. Six months ago I had never been in a gym in my life, and I hadn't exercised in 6 or 7 years, so I was very weak:

6 months ago
BW: 82kg (180cm height)
Squat: 45kg (5x5)
Deadlift 50kg (5x5)
Bench: 30kg (5x5)
Press: 20kg (5x5)
Chin-ups: 3-3-2 (started in December)

After six months, I'm feeling a bit less like a weakling, but there's still lots of progress to be made. Current stats:

Current
BW: 83kg
Squat: 130kg (5RM)
Deadlift: 150kg (5RM)
Bench: 75kg (3x5)
Press: 57kg (5RM)
Chin-ups (bodyweight): 9
Chin-ups (weighted): 8kg (3x5)
Dips (weighted): 11kg (3x5)

Also, here are some graphs of the progress. I'm only showing the max weight per session, and the width of the bar indicates number of reps:

+ Show Spoiler [Graphs] +

[image loading]
*The dips in the graph are either from resetting or from small back injuries. If they coincide with a deadlift dip, it's because of an injury.

[image loading]

[image loading]

[image loading]
*I used to log press as military press, so the graph doesn't cover my first few sessions.

[image loading]
*This includes all the sets, not just the max, as that is more informative. Also note that I excluded the first few sessions, as I was doing half pull-ups then, not proper pull-ups. From 9 March the sets of 5 are weighted, but the graph doesn't show the weight.
:D

I've got a question regarding squats. I've gone up by about 20kg in the last month, but I'm starting to lean forward when I squat. It's strange because my weight doesn't shift from the heels of my feet, but when I go up my ass moves independently from my chest, so I'm forced to pull my chest up with my back. Is there anything I can focus on to stop this, and if not, how should I exercise to prevent this? Simply go 10kg back on squats and wait for my back to gain some strength?

Saw the post in the PR thread, really sick gains. Big congratulations from here

Are you squatting high bar or low bar? You should videotape yourself squatting, makes it really easy to pinpoint some errors.
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