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FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-17 19:21:54
April 17 2012 19:13 GMT
#3441
sick sick sick sick sick

idk if its abs, back, dodgy form (mobility)... i get it allll the time, until i get stronger. then i get it again. obv its a combination of these. try thinking "chest up" and going slightly slower (whilst thinking about correcting form) (you'll get worn out faster but will have better form)
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mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
April 17 2012 19:16 GMT
#3442
On April 18 2012 04:03 Daigomi wrote:
I've got a question regarding squats. I've gone up by about 20kg in the last month, but I'm starting to lean forward when I squat. It's strange because my weight doesn't shift from the heels of my feet, but when I go up my ass moves independently from my chest, so I'm forced to pull my chest up with my back. Is there anything I can focus on to stop this, and if not, how should I exercise to prevent this? Simply go 10kg back on squats and wait for my back to gain some strength?

I'm experiencing this same thing, I'm interested!
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
April 17 2012 19:18 GMT
#3443
Often the cue "chest up" is enough. Strengthening your back is also very helpful to being able to keep the chest up and not turn the movement into a "squat-morning".
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
Daigomi
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
South Africa4316 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-17 19:30:55
April 17 2012 19:30 GMT
#3444
On April 18 2012 04:18 sJarl wrote:
Often the cue "chest up" is enough. Strengthening your back is also very helpful to being able to keep the chest up and not turn the movement into a "squat-morning".

Chest up is hard for me at the start of the squat, as it feels like the bar will roll down my back if I lift my chest. My back isn't rounded, but my chest is also not up, so I'm basically leaning slightly forward with a straight back at the start of the movement. Could that be the reason for my issues at the bottom of the squat? If so, how would I straighten my back at the top without the bar rolling down my back? I should probably mention that I'm squatting low bar.

Also, squat-morning is a perfect name for this. It's not quite a goodmorning, but it's definitely heading in that direction.
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sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
April 17 2012 19:53 GMT
#3445
On April 18 2012 04:30 Daigomi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2012 04:18 sJarl wrote:
Often the cue "chest up" is enough. Strengthening your back is also very helpful to being able to keep the chest up and not turn the movement into a "squat-morning".

Chest up is hard for me at the start of the squat, as it feels like the bar will roll down my back if I lift my chest. My back isn't rounded, but my chest is also not up, so I'm basically leaning slightly forward with a straight back at the start of the movement. Could that be the reason for my issues at the bottom of the squat? If so, how would I straighten my back at the top without the bar rolling down my back? I should probably mention that I'm squatting low bar.

Also, squat-morning is a perfect name for this. It's not quite a goodmorning, but it's definitely heading in that direction.


yes, that could very well be the reason you are not getting fast enough out from the hole.

chalk your back if you aren't already and add some muscles on your upper back so the bar fits more snugly. gripping the bar harder also helps alot.
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
April 17 2012 20:23 GMT
#3446
On April 18 2012 04:03 Daigomi wrote:
Crossposting this from the PR thread, since I'm fairly happy with the progress and since it has pretty pictures:

Show nested quote +
On April 16 2012 01:23 Daigomi wrote:
I've been doing SS for almost exactly six months (if you exclude a month in the middle where I couldn't do anything), so I thought it was about time to post an update. Six months ago I had never been in a gym in my life, and I hadn't exercised in 6 or 7 years, so I was very weak:

6 months ago
BW: 82kg (180cm height)
Squat: 45kg (5x5)
Deadlift 50kg (5x5)
Bench: 30kg (5x5)
Press: 20kg (5x5)
Chin-ups: 3-3-2 (started in December)

After six months, I'm feeling a bit less like a weakling, but there's still lots of progress to be made. Current stats:

Current
BW: 83kg
Squat: 130kg (5RM)
Deadlift: 150kg (5RM)
Bench: 75kg (3x5)
Press: 57kg (5RM)
Chin-ups (bodyweight): 9
Chin-ups (weighted): 8kg (3x5)
Dips (weighted): 11kg (3x5)

Also, here are some graphs of the progress. I'm only showing the max weight per session, and the width of the bar indicates number of reps:

+ Show Spoiler [Graphs] +

[image loading]
*The dips in the graph are either from resetting or from small back injuries. If they coincide with a deadlift dip, it's because of an injury.

[image loading]

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*I used to log press as military press, so the graph doesn't cover my first few sessions.

[image loading]
*This includes all the sets, not just the max, as that is more informative. Also note that I excluded the first few sessions, as I was doing half pull-ups then, not proper pull-ups. From 9 March the sets of 5 are weighted, but the graph doesn't show the weight.
:D

I've got a question regarding squats. I've gone up by about 20kg in the last month, but I'm starting to lean forward when I squat. It's strange because my weight doesn't shift from the heels of my feet, but when I go up my ass moves independently from my chest, so I'm forced to pull my chest up with my back. Is there anything I can focus on to stop this, and if not, how should I exercise to prevent this? Simply go 10kg back on squats and wait for my back to gain some strength?

Wow, pretty sick progress, I'm jelly :p
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Daigomi
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
South Africa4316 Posts
April 17 2012 20:28 GMT
#3447
On April 18 2012 04:53 sJarl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2012 04:30 Daigomi wrote:
On April 18 2012 04:18 sJarl wrote:
Often the cue "chest up" is enough. Strengthening your back is also very helpful to being able to keep the chest up and not turn the movement into a "squat-morning".

Chest up is hard for me at the start of the squat, as it feels like the bar will roll down my back if I lift my chest. My back isn't rounded, but my chest is also not up, so I'm basically leaning slightly forward with a straight back at the start of the movement. Could that be the reason for my issues at the bottom of the squat? If so, how would I straighten my back at the top without the bar rolling down my back? I should probably mention that I'm squatting low bar.

Also, squat-morning is a perfect name for this. It's not quite a goodmorning, but it's definitely heading in that direction.


yes, that could very well be the reason you are not getting fast enough out from the hole.

chalk your back if you aren't already and add some muscles on your upper back so the bar fits more snugly. gripping the bar harder also helps alot.

I'm not currently chalking my back, so I'll look into that. I'll also focus on gripping the bar more tightly and see if that works. My back muscles have been coming along (thanks to press and pull-ups), but as with any muscle growth it's not going to get bigger quickly, so I guess I just have to wait for it
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GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-17 21:42:36
April 17 2012 21:41 GMT
#3448
On April 18 2012 05:28 Daigomi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2012 04:53 sJarl wrote:
On April 18 2012 04:30 Daigomi wrote:
On April 18 2012 04:18 sJarl wrote:
Often the cue "chest up" is enough. Strengthening your back is also very helpful to being able to keep the chest up and not turn the movement into a "squat-morning".

Chest up is hard for me at the start of the squat, as it feels like the bar will roll down my back if I lift my chest. My back isn't rounded, but my chest is also not up, so I'm basically leaning slightly forward with a straight back at the start of the movement. Could that be the reason for my issues at the bottom of the squat? If so, how would I straighten my back at the top without the bar rolling down my back? I should probably mention that I'm squatting low bar.

Also, squat-morning is a perfect name for this. It's not quite a goodmorning, but it's definitely heading in that direction.


yes, that could very well be the reason you are not getting fast enough out from the hole.

chalk your back if you aren't already and add some muscles on your upper back so the bar fits more snugly. gripping the bar harder also helps alot.

I'm not currently chalking my back, so I'll look into that. I'll also focus on gripping the bar more tightly and see if that works. My back muscles have been coming along (thanks to press and pull-ups), but as with any muscle growth it's not going to get bigger quickly, so I guess I just have to wait for it


I think its more worth looking in the way you descend and where exactly you position your bar. I have the same issue but I find I can keep more vertical by placing the bar lower and not pushing my butt so far back while going down (consider I can get bellow parallel with chins perfectly vertical though). That said, my technique still breaks down on 90% 1rm and above.

Iono, seems like a huge pain in the ass to chalk the bar doing anything than a world record. Also seems like a good way to get expelled of your gym.
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
April 17 2012 21:45 GMT
#3449
haha yeah, imagine their faces when they come in and see you chucking chalk over your shoulders haha
Cool BW Music Vid - youtube.com/watch?v=W54nlqJ-Nx8 ~~~~~ ᕤ OYSTERS ᕤ CLAMS ᕤ AND ᕤ CUCKOLDS ᕤ ~~~~~~ ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ PUNCH HIM ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-17 22:07:56
April 17 2012 22:07 GMT
#3450
i dunno, but it's the most natural thing in the world at my place It's just so much safer.
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
April 18 2012 00:25 GMT
#3451
On April 18 2012 07:07 sJarl wrote:
i dunno, but it's the most natural thing in the world at my place It's just so much safer.


But also not at all necessary at the majority of Gyms in the united states =p.
Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
April 18 2012 00:26 GMT
#3452
Squat 1rm is at 395lb =]. I did 405 but wasn't happy with the depth which was right at parallel, maybe a tad high, so I can't bring myself to consider it my 1rm, sad day.
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GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-18 00:36:38
April 18 2012 00:35 GMT
#3453
On April 18 2012 07:07 sJarl wrote:
i dunno, but it's the most natural thing in the world at my place It's just so much safer.


It must be cool to train around where 300 pound people sniff ammonia and spit blood on a bucket for fun.
Ludrik
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Australia523 Posts
April 18 2012 03:11 GMT
#3454
I just watched Pavel's Power to the People DVD. Gotta love his russian accent. There was a few useful tips in there, but all in all it's mostly the same stuff that everyone else talks about.
Only a fool would die laughing. I was a fool.
emjaytron
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia544 Posts
April 18 2012 03:30 GMT
#3455
going to crack that double BW squat today. currently at 69kg 172cm, last squat session did 135kgx5
Grubby - SaSe - Oz - Hero
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-18 08:02:30
April 18 2012 08:02 GMT
#3456
Today, as I was preparing to do pullups at the gym, a man came into the room. Mid-thirties, wearing something objectively ridiculous. Not like circus-ridiculous, but like he'd accidentally turned on espn once and glimpsed a particularly flamboyant tennis player, thinking that's what exercisers wore.

His was no confident stride. He came shambling into the room. Now that I say it out loud it doesn't sound right, but I googled it and that's totally what he did. He walked in a manner equal to or at least closely approaching that of a shamble. Slumped shoulders, head down like he was expecting to be attacked, dragging his feet behind him while at the same time trying defiantly to look like he knew exactly what he was doing. His eyes; sunken, his waist; thinner than my biceps. And I don't brag about my biceps. Not all the time.

You could tell he hated being there. It was not his choice. He looked like a child, forced into an art museum by his parents. All he ever wanted was to be back at the hotel, playing his gameboy. There was an air of injustice about him as he walked past me. For a brief second our eyes met and though no words were spoken, his lips moved. Furiously. Silently.

He went into the other room. Then, a minute later, he came back. He looked around, saw something that made sense, and picked up a medicine ball. He went back onto the other room, and from what I heard he appeared to be bouncing it. The bounces soon became irregular and dispirited, and before long, he came back out again, without the ball. It was behind him now.

His back was straighter. He seemed more confident. He had obviously worked something out. And though we were underground in the weights room, I could sense the spring in his step and the sun on his face as he looked around, offered a silent, triumphant farewell, and left, never to return.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
April 18 2012 08:30 GMT
#3457
On April 18 2012 09:35 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2012 07:07 sJarl wrote:
i dunno, but it's the most natural thing in the world at my place It's just so much safer.


It must be cool to train around where 300 pound people sniff ammonia and spit blood on a bucket for fun.


it is although one guy is pushing 440lb body weight...
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
emjaytron
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia544 Posts
April 18 2012 12:51 GMT
#3458
Yeeeeeeeahhhhh

squat (kg) 130x5, 140x5, 140x4
DL 100x3, 130x3, 140x5

double bodyweight squat feels good. DL is still kinda weak in comparison though. Been a good day for me. Gym + Naniwa 4-0 + some guy gave me $100 for returning his lost wallet.
Grubby - SaSe - Oz - Hero
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
April 18 2012 13:13 GMT
#3459
On April 18 2012 17:02 Osmoses wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

Today, as I was preparing to do pullups at the gym, a man came into the room. Mid-thirties, wearing something objectively ridiculous. Not like circus-ridiculous, but like he'd accidentally turned on espn once and glimpsed a particularly flamboyant tennis player, thinking that's what exercisers wore.

His was no confident stride. He came shambling into the room. Now that I say it out loud it doesn't sound right, but I googled it and that's totally what he did. He walked in a manner equal to or at least closely approaching that of a shamble. Slumped shoulders, head down like he was expecting to be attacked, dragging his feet behind him while at the same time trying defiantly to look like he knew exactly what he was doing. His eyes; sunken, his waist; thinner than my biceps. And I don't brag about my biceps. Not all the time.

You could tell he hated being there. It was not his choice. He looked like a child, forced into an art museum by his parents. All he ever wanted was to be back at the hotel, playing his gameboy. There was an air of injustice about him as he walked past me. For a brief second our eyes met and though no words were spoken, his lips moved. Furiously. Silently.

He went into the other room. Then, a minute later, he came back. He looked around, saw something that made sense, and picked up a medicine ball. He went back onto the other room, and from what I heard he appeared to be bouncing it. The bounces soon became irregular and dispirited, and before long, he came back out again, without the ball. It was behind him now.

His back was straighter. He seemed more confident. He had obviously worked something out. And though we were underground in the weights room, I could sense the spring in his step and the sun on his face as he looked around, offered a silent, triumphant farewell, and left, never to return.

I look forward to these stories

Nothing special this morning. Was able to pull 295lb x5 so DL still going strong
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
April 18 2012 13:29 GMT
#3460
Running on 9 hours of sleep... in the last 3 days. Had an exam last night then an assignment due at 3 AM. Turns out I already had perfect on the test set by midnight so I could've went to bed early
If I fail OHP tonight, I'll blame it on that lol
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