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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
May 29 2013 05:23 GMT
#821
Also, I still haven't decided on whether I want to join a crossfit gym for weekends (130$ for weekend access only), and I can't drop weights from overhead in my current gym.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Donkeys
Profile Joined August 2010
Mexico308 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-29 07:28:08
May 29 2013 07:26 GMT
#822
If you can afford it with ease and you really want to improve on the sn/c&j then go for it. Even if it's just the weekends, you can work on volume/technique during the week then max out on weekends with proper equipment. I've gone up 23kg on the sn and 17kg on the c&j while maintaining my squat lol, since I started using bumpers like 10 weeks ago. A lot of it was due to being able to miss lifts without destroying the gym. Go for it and slam some bars!
http://www.belowtherimyo.blogspot.com/
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-29 07:37:43
May 29 2013 07:36 GMT
#823
^Exactly my thoughts.

It's not cheap, but definitely affordable, and I think it's ultimately worth it.

This will also conveniently push my gym costs north of $200. lol....
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
MeShiet
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada290 Posts
May 31 2013 04:21 GMT
#824
http://www.roguecanada.ca/nike-romaleos-2-red-weightlifting-shoes.php

All they're missing is the words "China" and the gold stars at the back. Anyone see these yet? Also, how long have you had your pair of Romaleos for dimsum? My second pair is already falling apart where the bottom hard rubber sole is glued onto the rest of the shoe at the front. It's been about 10 months since my first pair fell apart the same way. I have no idea what I'm doing that's causing this to happen.
If you die this way, you won't live to tell anyone how you died
Entropic
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2837 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-31 06:52:11
May 31 2013 06:51 GMT
#825
I've had my romaleos for just over 9 months now and theyre still in great condition. Been used for 5 sessions of 2-3 hours every week since I got em.
MeShiet
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada290 Posts
May 31 2013 06:58 GMT
#826
Man, it's so depressing when I love the shoes so much. I don't think I'm doing anything they're not designed to be doing either =[
If you die this way, you won't live to tell anyone how you died
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20063 Posts
May 31 2013 15:47 GMT
#827
Try the adipowers, i love em. Better yet find some adistars ~~
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
MeShiet
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada290 Posts
May 31 2013 17:04 GMT
#828
I talked to Rogue about them and I'm not expecting a free replacement pair this time like I received last time since my original purchase of the shoes was something like over a year and a half ago but I may either give adidas a try in the future or just use the pair I have now with some super glue to put the shoe back together until I retire from competing.
If you die this way, you won't live to tell anyone how you died
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
May 31 2013 18:18 GMT
#829
On June 01 2013 00:47 decafchicken wrote:
Try the adipowers, i love em. Better yet find some adistars ~~


MIght ask for these to my gf when we go on vacation to miami :D
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BenKen
Profile Joined August 2009
United States860 Posts
June 01 2013 01:02 GMT
#830
Hi everyone, I need some advice on Oly lift programming and figured this was the place to go. I'm mostly interested in powerlifting, but in my current programming I have the option of an "assistance day". I figure I can just do Oly stuff on that day, since it's fun and I like learning new things. Thing is, I am beyond bad at oly lifting and have no idea what to program for one day of training for Oly. Like, the other day I "Power Clean-ed" 205lbs, but it was pretty damn ugly and in no way got me closer to doing an acceptable clean and jerk.

Here's my question: If you were going to program one day for someone to work on Oly lifts, and they are an intermediate-ish level powerlifter that will be doing a powerlifting routine for the rest of the week, what would you tell him to do on that one day? Oly lift skill level = Bronze league. I'm not worried about making fast progress because I only lift for fun. I like being in the gym and will gladly use a broomstick or the ladies bar and 10lb bumpers if I have to, i have no shame when it comes to training.


Here's my current routine (based on Texas Method):
+ Show Spoiler +
Monday:
5x5 Bench/OHP @ 90% 5RM
5x5 Squats @ 90%RM
Assistance whatever until I get tired (chins, dips, curls,GHD etc....)

Tues:
Oly stuff???

Wed:
3x5 OHP/Bench @ ~80% 5RM
3x5 Squat @ ~80% 5RM

Friday:
go for Bench/OHP 5RM PR
go fo Squat 5RM PR
go for Deadlift 5RM PR


And since whenever someone asks about programming someone else always asks for stats (weight in lbs):
+ Show Spoiler +
Age 32
Weight 165
Squat 1RM: 315
DL 1RM: 405
Bench 1RM: 245
OHP 1RM: 155


Thanks in advance for any help, and sorry if this question was asked earlier in the thread. I read through the first post and will probably refer back to that a lot, but didn't read through the rest of the thread.
I deadlift for Aiur
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
June 01 2013 01:54 GMT
#831
On May 31 2013 13:21 MeShiet wrote:
http://www.roguecanada.ca/nike-romaleos-2-red-weightlifting-shoes.php

All they're missing is the words "China" and the gold stars at the back. Anyone see these yet? Also, how long have you had your pair of Romaleos for dimsum? My second pair is already falling apart where the bottom hard rubber sole is glued onto the rest of the shoe at the front. It's been about 10 months since my first pair fell apart the same way. I have no idea what I'm doing that's causing this to happen.



My shoes are rock solid, no rips or tears. I have had mine for almost 3 years i think. Maybe the second version of the romaleos are shitter quality.
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
Donkeys
Profile Joined August 2010
Mexico308 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-01 03:02:06
June 01 2013 02:55 GMT
#832
@benken glenn pendlay wrote a blog about how to switch from general strength training to olympic lifting and i think it was something like 2 days technique on the lifts and 2-3 days maintaining strength. Im not sure and cant link on phone but google search glenn pendlay's wordpress and he explains it in detail there.

@dimsum lol you do squat jerk so those shoes gonna last you forever

My romaleos 2 are still solid after 8-9 months of training. Not on platform.
http://www.belowtherimyo.blogspot.com/
MeShiet
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada290 Posts
June 01 2013 06:09 GMT
#833
Blah, I don't think it's fair to blame the shoes when it seems like I'm the only one experiencing problems with them. Rogue's pretty puzzled by it as well but they're still going to talk to Nike for me.

and on the topic of squat jerk, what is your opinion on emphasis of speed under the bar dimsum? My coach is having my do them just 2 times a week with light weights for fun and I've been experimenting with how fast I get under the bar into the bottom position. So far it seems like the faster I get under, the less tiring it is overall but on the other-hand it's harder to execute the proper control needed to jerk it just right.
If you die this way, you won't live to tell anyone how you died
Vitruvian
Profile Joined September 2011
United States168 Posts
June 01 2013 15:30 GMT
#834
On June 01 2013 10:02 BenKen wrote:
Hi everyone, I need some advice on Oly lift programming and figured this was the place to go. I'm mostly interested in powerlifting, but in my current programming I have the option of an "assistance day". I figure I can just do Oly stuff on that day, since it's fun and I like learning new things. Thing is, I am beyond bad at oly lifting and have no idea what to program for one day of training for Oly. Like, the other day I "Power Clean-ed" 205lbs, but it was pretty damn ugly and in no way got me closer to doing an acceptable clean and jerk.

Here's my question: If you were going to program one day for someone to work on Oly lifts, and they are an intermediate-ish level powerlifter that will be doing a powerlifting routine for the rest of the week, what would you tell him to do on that one day? Oly lift skill level = Bronze league. I'm not worried about making fast progress because I only lift for fun. I like being in the gym and will gladly use a broomstick or the ladies bar and 10lb bumpers if I have to, i have no shame when it comes to training.


Here's my current routine (based on Texas Method):
+ Show Spoiler +
Monday:
5x5 Bench/OHP @ 90% 5RM
5x5 Squats @ 90%RM
Assistance whatever until I get tired (chins, dips, curls,GHD etc....)

Tues:
Oly stuff???

Wed:
3x5 OHP/Bench @ ~80% 5RM
3x5 Squat @ ~80% 5RM

Friday:
go for Bench/OHP 5RM PR
go fo Squat 5RM PR
go for Deadlift 5RM PR


And since whenever someone asks about programming someone else always asks for stats (weight in lbs):
+ Show Spoiler +
Age 32
Weight 165
Squat 1RM: 315
DL 1RM: 405
Bench 1RM: 245
OHP 1RM: 155


Thanks in advance for any help, and sorry if this question was asked earlier in the thread. I read through the first post and will probably refer back to that a lot, but didn't read through the rest of the thread.


I'm no authority on the subject, and I also sort of just make up my program as I go, so take my input for what it's worth. I'm currently doing pretty much what you're asking for, i.e. in any given week, 2-3 days powerlifting stuff, +1 day Olympic lifting "for fun." The Olympic day started off as strictly technique for the first couple months: front squats, overhead squats, push press, practicing through the California Strength movement progressions (look up California Strength How To on Youtube if you haven't already.) One important point to consider on practicing technique is to strike a happy medium between learning the movements with just the bar, and progressing to heavier weights as soon as you can: that is, as long as your form doesn't suffer too much. The rationale here is that although learning the movement with minimal weight (just the bar) is an absolutely crucial step, the mechanics of the lift are SO different, and honestly feel so much less awkward, once you start putting weight on the bar that takes some significant effort. Gotta stress again though, that adding the weight is only going to do you any good if your form stays correct. So, to summarize my journey into Olympic lifting:
1.) Spent some time just learning the movements and getting the form down: useful assistance exercises here were front squat, overhead squat, push press, clean pulls, snatch pulls, etc.
2.) Progressed to heavier weights on the full C&J/snatch as soon as I felt sufficiently confident with the movements
3.) Transitioned into my current Oly day, which consists of working up to max singles in both snatch and C&J.

Hope this helps!
BenKen
Profile Joined August 2009
United States860 Posts
June 01 2013 15:35 GMT
#835
On June 01 2013 11:55 Donkeys wrote:
@benken glenn pendlay wrote a blog about how to switch from general strength training to olympic lifting and i think it was something like 2 days technique on the lifts and 2-3 days maintaining strength. Im not sure and cant link on phone but google search glenn pendlay's wordpress and he explains it in detail there.


I think I found it.

http://glennpendlay.wordpress.com/2012/11/16/transitioning-to-olympic-weightlifting-from-a-general-strength-background/

From the article:
Practice on the Olympic lifts means just that, there is no magical rep scheme.

Lol. Well ok then. I guess I'll just do the lifts and some pulls for 90 minutes. Thanks again for the help.
I deadlift for Aiur
BenKen
Profile Joined August 2009
United States860 Posts
June 01 2013 15:39 GMT
#836
On June 02 2013 00:30 Vitruvian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2013 10:02 BenKen wrote:
Hi everyone, I need some advice on Oly lift programming and figured this was the place to go. I'm mostly interested in powerlifting, but in my current programming I have the option of an "assistance day". I figure I can just do Oly stuff on that day, since it's fun and I like learning new things. Thing is, I am beyond bad at oly lifting and have no idea what to program for one day of training for Oly. Like, the other day I "Power Clean-ed" 205lbs, but it was pretty damn ugly and in no way got me closer to doing an acceptable clean and jerk.

Here's my question: If you were going to program one day for someone to work on Oly lifts, and they are an intermediate-ish level powerlifter that will be doing a powerlifting routine for the rest of the week, what would you tell him to do on that one day? Oly lift skill level = Bronze league. I'm not worried about making fast progress because I only lift for fun. I like being in the gym and will gladly use a broomstick or the ladies bar and 10lb bumpers if I have to, i have no shame when it comes to training.


Here's my current routine (based on Texas Method):
+ Show Spoiler +
Monday:
5x5 Bench/OHP @ 90% 5RM
5x5 Squats @ 90%RM
Assistance whatever until I get tired (chins, dips, curls,GHD etc....)

Tues:
Oly stuff???

Wed:
3x5 OHP/Bench @ ~80% 5RM
3x5 Squat @ ~80% 5RM

Friday:
go for Bench/OHP 5RM PR
go fo Squat 5RM PR
go for Deadlift 5RM PR


And since whenever someone asks about programming someone else always asks for stats (weight in lbs):
+ Show Spoiler +
Age 32
Weight 165
Squat 1RM: 315
DL 1RM: 405
Bench 1RM: 245
OHP 1RM: 155


Thanks in advance for any help, and sorry if this question was asked earlier in the thread. I read through the first post and will probably refer back to that a lot, but didn't read through the rest of the thread.


I'm no authority on the subject, and I also sort of just make up my program as I go, so take my input for what it's worth. I'm currently doing pretty much what you're asking for, i.e. in any given week, 2-3 days powerlifting stuff, +1 day Olympic lifting "for fun." The Olympic day started off as strictly technique for the first couple months: front squats, overhead squats, push press, practicing through the California Strength movement progressions (look up California Strength How To on Youtube if you haven't already.) One important point to consider on practicing technique is to strike a happy medium between learning the movements with just the bar, and progressing to heavier weights as soon as you can: that is, as long as your form doesn't suffer too much. The rationale here is that although learning the movement with minimal weight (just the bar) is an absolutely crucial step, the mechanics of the lift are SO different, and honestly feel so much less awkward, once you start putting weight on the bar that takes some significant effort. Gotta stress again though, that adding the weight is only going to do you any good if your form stays correct. So, to summarize my journey into Olympic lifting:
1.) Spent some time just learning the movements and getting the form down: useful assistance exercises here were front squat, overhead squat, push press, clean pulls, snatch pulls, etc.
2.) Progressed to heavier weights on the full C&J/snatch as soon as I felt sufficiently confident with the movements
3.) Transitioned into my current Oly day, which consists of working up to max singles in both snatch and C&J.

Hope this helps!


Ok thanks! It does help to hear from someone doing something similar. I saw some of the California strength stuff in the original post so I'll start working through them.
I deadlift for Aiur
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
June 01 2013 21:02 GMT
#837
On June 01 2013 15:09 MeShiet wrote:
Blah, I don't think it's fair to blame the shoes when it seems like I'm the only one experiencing problems with them. Rogue's pretty puzzled by it as well but they're still going to talk to Nike for me.

and on the topic of squat jerk, what is your opinion on emphasis of speed under the bar dimsum? My coach is having my do them just 2 times a week with light weights for fun and I've been experimenting with how fast I get under the bar into the bottom position. So far it seems like the faster I get under, the less tiring it is overall but on the other-hand it's harder to execute the proper control needed to jerk it just right.



speed under the bar is always important. Just remember to always be in control of the bar first.
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
June 02 2013 14:29 GMT
#838
Lifts from yesterday
+ Show Spoiler +




Definitely going for 110 next time!
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
June 02 2013 16:01 GMT
#839
On May 29 2013 14:21 Cambium wrote:
No much TBH:
high pull
power clean
hang clean from above knee

These I do as part of my regular workout:
FS
heavy 1-rep FS with pause at bottom
SLDL
press

I guess I'm still not 100% committed to olys, but I do them as part of my 'augmented' SS (i.e. doing them first with more emphasis).

If you've got a good schedule, please share it, I'm all ears!

hmm thats fine
could you post vids or your power clean and hang clean?
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-02 16:07:35
June 02 2013 16:06 GMT
#840
next time!

my hang cleans look exactly like (okay i mean: I try to do those) cal strengths how to clean video #1

also, i have no idea how to do split jerk, I almost died doing 90kg haha, but that was more like a press with feet spread apart

will start doing C&J and snatches as soon as I join a different gym...
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
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