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On July 24 2013 09:26 lamprey1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 08:39 eshlow wrote:On July 24 2013 03:13 lamprey1 wrote:On July 24 2013 00:25 eshlow wrote:
And that's why professional athletes have doctors, physical therapists, and other rehabilaition specialists on staff now.
It's up to the athlete if they want to push through the pain and shorten their career.
If they do the rehab and get it fixed and correctly work up to it they can do the same things that they were previously able to do again after all the back and forth you are now acknowledging the original point. On July 17 2013 00:58 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
If he does not solve this issue in the next three months this could become a career shortening injury.
waste of time. just for the record tendonitis also ends the careers of pro gamers and musicians. as you age tendon flexibility diminishes. the killer for tendonitis is repitition. wtf are you talking about. If they don't push through the pain, and get it rehabbed then their career won't be shortened at all It's when they push through the pain constantly that it devolves potentially into something worse... which may or may not shorten a career after it gets fixed. It if does end up shortening a career its most likely because the athlete was on the downside of their career and coming back isn't worth the time and effort, or they weren't that good in the first place so it makes no sense to continue. the best will almost always come back as the best if they rehab properly you guys already agree. tendon injuries, improperly dealt will shorten careers. if tiger remains on large doses of anti-inflammatories he is risking his long term health. also, tendons get less flexible due to age and steroid use. many studies indicate steroid use weakens collagen. and "pushing through the pain" is what Tiger Woods is doing. He is on anti-inflammatories. Anti-inflammatories do not strengthen colllagen. steroid abuse harms you in many ways including decreasing tendon flexibility and shortening your career. problem is you started off saying the guy "knew nothing". this is a forum board. you do not know what i know and dont know. stick to the info at hand rather than personal attacks. the big team of therapists and doctors around does not guarantee proper treatment. many athletes mismanage their injuries despite getting great advice from very smart experienced medical staff. off the top of my head i can list 10 such situations where the athlete ignored sound medical advice putting his career in jeopardy.
On July 17 2013 00:58 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Tiger Woods still has medial epicondylitis after months of rest.
If he does not solve this issue in the next three months this could become a career shortening injury.
He may have to once again go through a major alteration to his swing.
tendonitis can become an extremely difficult thing to deal with if it drags on for months.
Uh, yeah, this is just a bunch of random speculation as I said. And it's non-sequitur... he just randomly comes in here and states stuff about Tiger Woods that no one cares about. Therefore, I stand by my statements.
And here you go talk about steroids and NSAIDs when we don't know whether or not he's actually using them or not. More random speculation on what may or may not be true.
If you would like to actually contribute to this thread and help people based on their injuries be my guest. Otherwise, please go away and argue about this garbage somewhere else.
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hey guys, look at this, it might help you prevent giving yourself a brain injury
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anyone here have experience dealing with bunions? My right foot has progressively gotten worse over the years and I'd really like to get the surgery done before next spring when i get back on insurance.
for now, i kinda gotta deal. I use one of those little rubber pads that you slip on over your toe, but it doesnt do a whole bunch and ive been getting really bad blood blisters now that callous over real fast. ive been cutting away the dead skin since they pop any time i play soccer and then it is uncomfortable after, but i dont know if that is really advisable
anyone use any of those bunion socks or anything? I had tried taping it in the past, but that just seems to put even more stress on the tendon and makes it hurt when i walk. right now, it is usually only an issue after i play ball, or even moreso if i do something on a hardtop like basketball or tennis
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Got some lower back pain, looking for a stretch or two that might help me out.
I was doing a lot of kettle bell swings yesterday and by the end of the workout I was barely able to bend over. I'm feeling better today but I can tell it's still tight so I've been stretching as much as I can. Lots of foam rolling, which doesn't help as much as I'd like, and things like the cow-cat stretch (or whatever it's called) in yoga where you get on hands and knees and alternate between flexed and extended back positions, that one helps more.
It's lower back to hips range that's really stressed out. Any good back stretches you guys care to share?
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Have you tried a lacrosse ball in place of a foam roller. Works about 20x better for the back (shoulders/hamstrings...)
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On July 27 2013 04:27 QuanticHawk wrote:hey guys, look at this, it might help you prevent giving yourself a brain injury anyone here have experience dealing with bunions? My right foot has progressively gotten worse over the years and I'd really like to get the surgery done before next spring when i get back on insurance. for now, i kinda gotta deal. I use one of those little rubber pads that you slip on over your toe, but it doesnt do a whole bunch and ive been getting really bad blood blisters now that callous over real fast. ive been cutting away the dead skin since they pop any time i play soccer and then it is uncomfortable after, but i dont know if that is really advisable anyone use any of those bunion socks or anything? I had tried taping it in the past, but that just seems to put even more stress on the tendon and makes it hurt when i walk. right now, it is usually only an issue after i play ball, or even moreso if i do something on a hardtop like basketball or tennis
I've got pretty big bunions but i usually dont have any pain or problems with them so no idea  I imagine someday i'll need surgery or somethin.
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On July 30 2013 06:16 mordek wrote:
Have you tried a lacrosse ball in place of a foam roller. Works about 20x better for the back (shoulders/hamstrings...)
I have some lax balls at home but I'm on an extended vacation for the summer and don't have any with my unfortunately. I think the gym I'm going to has some though, I'll try that out tomorrow. Thanks
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On July 28 2013 02:44 ElvisWayCool wrote:
Got some lower back pain, looking for a stretch or two that might help me out.
I was doing a lot of kettle bell swings yesterday and by the end of the workout I was barely able to bend over. I'm feeling better today but I can tell it's still tight so I've been stretching as much as I can. Lots of foam rolling, which doesn't help as much as I'd like, and things like the cow-cat stretch (or whatever it's called) in yoga where you get on hands and knees and alternate between flexed and extended back positions, that one helps more.
It's lower back to hips range that's really stressed out. Any good back stretches you guys care to share?
try the mobility from here:
http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2010/02/so-you-hurt-your-lower-back/
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Can't really say I have anything for bunions other than strengthening the foot intrinsics
Make sure it doesn't get worse by wearing cramped shoes though
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Is it possible to have both shin splints and stress fracture? I've battled my shin splints for months now but I realized some extreme pain while pressing on certain bone areas, almost near the connection to the foot. My physiotherapist said it was unlikely that I had stress fracture because the pain subsides after a while, although when it was at its worst I hurted when walking for days after exercising. Is it necessary to diagnose the stress fracture even if you have it? From what I read the treatment plans seems pretty much identical.
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On July 30 2013 18:13 Shauni wrote:
Is it possible to have both shin splints and stress fracture? I've battled my shin splints for months now but I realized some extreme pain while pressing on certain bone areas, almost near the connection to the foot. My physiotherapist said it was unlikely that I had stress fracture because the pain subsides after a while, although when it was at its worst I hurted when walking for days after exercising. Is it necessary to diagnose the stress fracture even if you have it? From what I read the treatment plans seems pretty much identical.
Yes, but what your physio said is most likely correct.
Shin splints exacerbated can eventually put so much stress on the bone that it can stress fracture.
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On July 31 2013 01:31 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 18:13 Shauni wrote:
Is it possible to have both shin splints and stress fracture? I've battled my shin splints for months now but I realized some extreme pain while pressing on certain bone areas, almost near the connection to the foot. My physiotherapist said it was unlikely that I had stress fracture because the pain subsides after a while, although when it was at its worst I hurted when walking for days after exercising. Is it necessary to diagnose the stress fracture even if you have it? From what I read the treatment plans seems pretty much identical. Yes, but what your physio said is most likely correct. Shin splints exacerbated can eventually put so much stress on the bone that it can stress fracture.
I don't understand your reply. It's contradictory to me. I've had shin splints for 3 years, and it only grew worse and worse until I couldn't exercise without painkillers. I can feel two different types of pain during rehabiliation exercises and one feels as if it's muscle related and one hurts inside the bone. Why do you not think it could be stress fracture? If so then what could be wrong with my legs? I've spent three months rehabilitation without any impact whatsoever, but after skipping rope for merely five minutes, my shin bones starts aching whenever I walk. I must get back to badminton in two weeks, and I'm back to square one again. There just isnt enough time anymore. I've had a great physiotherapist, I've spent probably 4 hours a day in average on rehabilitation this summer, it's just too cruel if I have to retire now.
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Started boxing this week and did something stupid by trying to increase my deadlifts a bit. My back didn't hurt at the time I did it, in fact it felt sore in a good way. But I think I aggrevated my back today (maybe pulled a muscle) doing power cleans. I didn't continue my squats because I was afraid of further injury. It's a familiar pain that I've felt before. A small almost radiating pain near the lower side of my spine and to the left, around the groove before my butt cheek starts. I feel it pulse a little when I stand or walk but it only really hurts when that area of my back needs to be activated (i.e. squats, or pushing my scooter). Also starts to hurt if I sit in a chair for too long.
Last time naproxen helped and a week off. Can anyone give me some advice? Should I get a heat pack or an ice pack? I'm going to a walk in clinic tomorrow as well to get the prescription.
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On July 31 2013 16:06 lannisport wrote:
Started boxing this week and did something stupid by trying to increase my deadlifts a bit. My back didn't hurt at the time I did it, in fact it felt sore in a good way. But I think I aggrevated my back today (maybe pulled a muscle) doing power cleans. I didn't continue my squats because I was afraid of further injury. It's a familiar pain that I've felt before. A small almost radiating pain near the lower side of my spine and to the left, around the groove before my butt cheek starts. I feel it pulse a little when I stand or walk but it only really hurts when that area of my back needs to be activated (i.e. squats, or pushing my scooter). Also starts to hurt if I sit in a chair for too long.
Last time naproxen helped and a week off. Can anyone give me some advice? Should I get a heat pack or an ice pack? I'm going to a walk in clinic tomorrow as well to get the prescription.
Check out eshlow's article here: http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2010/02/so-you-hurt-your-lower-back/
Your description sounds like something with your SI joint Use ice and wait for eshlow's advice 
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On July 31 2013 20:58 mordek wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 16:06 lannisport wrote:
Started boxing this week and did something stupid by trying to increase my deadlifts a bit. My back didn't hurt at the time I did it, in fact it felt sore in a good way. But I think I aggrevated my back today (maybe pulled a muscle) doing power cleans. I didn't continue my squats because I was afraid of further injury. It's a familiar pain that I've felt before. A small almost radiating pain near the lower side of my spine and to the left, around the groove before my butt cheek starts. I feel it pulse a little when I stand or walk but it only really hurts when that area of my back needs to be activated (i.e. squats, or pushing my scooter). Also starts to hurt if I sit in a chair for too long.
Last time naproxen helped and a week off. Can anyone give me some advice? Should I get a heat pack or an ice pack? I'm going to a walk in clinic tomorrow as well to get the prescription. Check out eshlow's article here: http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2010/02/so-you-hurt-your-lower-back/Your description sounds like something with your SI joint Use ice and wait for eshlow's advice
Thanks, I think it might be noteworthy as well that when I was walking into the gym I actually felt fine... But when I started my power cleans something felt very wrong. As I pulled the bar over my thighs (As they touch that's where I usually explode) I felt...nothing. It was odd. I tried to explode but my hips were not there or something and the power clean turned into a normal deadlift a few times as a result.
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On July 31 2013 05:58 Shauni wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 01:31 eshlow wrote:On July 30 2013 18:13 Shauni wrote:
Is it possible to have both shin splints and stress fracture? I've battled my shin splints for months now but I realized some extreme pain while pressing on certain bone areas, almost near the connection to the foot. My physiotherapist said it was unlikely that I had stress fracture because the pain subsides after a while, although when it was at its worst I hurted when walking for days after exercising. Is it necessary to diagnose the stress fracture even if you have it? From what I read the treatment plans seems pretty much identical. Yes, but what your physio said is most likely correct. Shin splints exacerbated can eventually put so much stress on the bone that it can stress fracture. I don't understand your reply. It's contradictory to me. I've had shin splints for 3 years, and it only grew worse and worse until I couldn't exercise without painkillers. I can feel two different types of pain during rehabiliation exercises and one feels as if it's muscle related and one hurts inside the bone. Why do you not think it could be stress fracture? If so then what could be wrong with my legs? I've spent three months rehabilitation without any impact whatsoever, but after skipping rope for merely five minutes, my shin bones starts aching whenever I walk. I must get back to badminton in two weeks, and I'm back to square one again. There just isnt enough time anymore. I've had a great physiotherapist, I've spent probably 4 hours a day in average on rehabilitation this summer, it's just too cruel if I have to retire now.
See an orthopedic doc for an X-ray and/or bone scan then...
Talking over the Internet isn't going to solve much...
Just because the bone hurts doesn't mean it's a stress fracture. Obviously, if you exacerbate it to a point then it can develop to such
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On August 02 2013 04:11 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 05:58 Shauni wrote:On July 31 2013 01:31 eshlow wrote:On July 30 2013 18:13 Shauni wrote:
Is it possible to have both shin splints and stress fracture? I've battled my shin splints for months now but I realized some extreme pain while pressing on certain bone areas, almost near the connection to the foot. My physiotherapist said it was unlikely that I had stress fracture because the pain subsides after a while, although when it was at its worst I hurted when walking for days after exercising. Is it necessary to diagnose the stress fracture even if you have it? From what I read the treatment plans seems pretty much identical. Yes, but what your physio said is most likely correct. Shin splints exacerbated can eventually put so much stress on the bone that it can stress fracture. I don't understand your reply. It's contradictory to me. I've had shin splints for 3 years, and it only grew worse and worse until I couldn't exercise without painkillers. I can feel two different types of pain during rehabiliation exercises and one feels as if it's muscle related and one hurts inside the bone. Why do you not think it could be stress fracture? If so then what could be wrong with my legs? I've spent three months rehabilitation without any impact whatsoever, but after skipping rope for merely five minutes, my shin bones starts aching whenever I walk. I must get back to badminton in two weeks, and I'm back to square one again. There just isnt enough time anymore. I've had a great physiotherapist, I've spent probably 4 hours a day in average on rehabilitation this summer, it's just too cruel if I have to retire now. See an orthopedic doc for an X-ray and/or bone scan then... Talking over the Internet isn't going to solve much... Just because the bone hurts doesn't mean it's a stress fracture. Obviously, if you exacerbate it to a point then it can develop to such
I'm going to get an xray and MRI soon. I'm not convinced it is a stress fracture either, the pain isn't very intense and it only comes forth sometimes while walking after extreme impact, like double skipping or explosive one leg jumps for minutes. But the thing is, with impact sports like badminton, it'll only grow worse the more I play, the end of last season was just unbearable. In the end I had to compete with painkillers and couldn't walk after the competitions. But the thing is, the rehabilitation has been extremely careful and optimal in every way, there isn't anything left to try, no matter what the MRI shows. I'm losing hope.
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On August 02 2013 07:57 Shauni wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 04:11 eshlow wrote:On July 31 2013 05:58 Shauni wrote:On July 31 2013 01:31 eshlow wrote:On July 30 2013 18:13 Shauni wrote:
Is it possible to have both shin splints and stress fracture? I've battled my shin splints for months now but I realized some extreme pain while pressing on certain bone areas, almost near the connection to the foot. My physiotherapist said it was unlikely that I had stress fracture because the pain subsides after a while, although when it was at its worst I hurted when walking for days after exercising. Is it necessary to diagnose the stress fracture even if you have it? From what I read the treatment plans seems pretty much identical. Yes, but what your physio said is most likely correct. Shin splints exacerbated can eventually put so much stress on the bone that it can stress fracture. I don't understand your reply. It's contradictory to me. I've had shin splints for 3 years, and it only grew worse and worse until I couldn't exercise without painkillers. I can feel two different types of pain during rehabiliation exercises and one feels as if it's muscle related and one hurts inside the bone. Why do you not think it could be stress fracture? If so then what could be wrong with my legs? I've spent three months rehabilitation without any impact whatsoever, but after skipping rope for merely five minutes, my shin bones starts aching whenever I walk. I must get back to badminton in two weeks, and I'm back to square one again. There just isnt enough time anymore. I've had a great physiotherapist, I've spent probably 4 hours a day in average on rehabilitation this summer, it's just too cruel if I have to retire now. See an orthopedic doc for an X-ray and/or bone scan then... Talking over the Internet isn't going to solve much... Just because the bone hurts doesn't mean it's a stress fracture. Obviously, if you exacerbate it to a point then it can develop to such I'm going to get an xray and MRI soon. I'm not convinced it is a stress fracture either, the pain isn't very intense and it only comes forth sometimes while walking after extreme impact, like double skipping or explosive one leg jumps for minutes. But the thing is, with impact sports like badminton, it'll only grow worse the more I play, the end of last season was just unbearable. In the end I had to compete with painkillers and couldn't walk after the competitions. But the thing is, the rehabilitation has been extremely careful and optimal in every way, there isn't anything left to try, no matter what the MRI shows. I'm losing hope.
I believe I was wrong about everything. I realized this today after playing badminton after summer break. It's not shin splints (even though I have experienced it) or stress fracture. It's just a persistent dull aching pain in the whole lower leg during and after exercising. It encompasses everything, even part of the calves and it usually disappears at least somewhat after a good nights sleep.
Have anyone had experience with nerve or blood related symptoms in the legs? Claudication sounds a lot more like what I'm experiencing, especially considering all the cramps i get in my calves. I know I'm only guessing and should go to someone specialized, but the healthcare system is terrible here, you have to wait for months and the local doctor will often refuse to send you further because not life threatening enough, cost money and yada yada.
I'll fill out the form if it helps...
+ Show Spoiler +1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts.![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/YOYuS0B.jpg) 2. What exercises hurt? Jumping exercises hurt most, impact sports being a part of it, running hurts to a lesser degree. It's accumulated pain rather than immediate. 3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp?A mildly burning ache perhaps. 4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room.After a normal exercise session of 1-2 hours, maybe 4, after more intensive schedule up to 7. 5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury?A few years back, hasn't improved or degraded. Goes away with rest and comes back just as strong. 6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long?Since it started, but the pain has caused me to take breaks and skip some tournaments. 7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it.It feels closer to the bone/joint itself, it's not something you normally can locate by pushing with your hands. Feels very difficult to specify exactly where the pain is apart from the lower leg. Pain sometimes randomly intensifies, usually in outer or inner shin region for a few seconds. 8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes?Leg strength training, bicycling, shockwave, tissue massage, taping, core stability, insoles, slowly working up a running schedule, although most has been done for shin splints purposes.. 9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities?Nothing seems to help but not exercising, or exercising without using your lower leg muscles that much. 10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling?The shin muscles seem a bit tight, other than that, looks entirely normal. 11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the dayUsually best after a long night rest. Worse after exercise, sometimes bad by walking a lot during the day. 12. Any previous injury history?Probably shin splints too, but I mentioned that. 13. How's your posture?Acceptable, not the best, im very tall and my back and stomach sometimes sink when I sit down, maybe a bit arched while walking. 14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports?Badminton, sometimes squash, tennis and table tennis. 15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help?Not really, apart from the suspicion of claudication which i mentioned earlier.
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Chronic exertional compartment syndrome is something else that can cause your symptoms
Not saying that's what you have but if your bone scans come back clean and its not some form of tendonitis or anything then its probably that.
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On August 07 2013 11:00 eshlow wrote:
Chronic exertional compartment syndrome is something else that can cause your symptoms
Not saying that's what you have but if your bone scans come back clean and its not some form of tendonitis or anything then its probably that.
One thing that confuses me about compartment syndrome is this quote "The pain is aggravated by passively stretching the muscle group within the compartment or actively flexing it (though this finding is not specific to compartment syndrome alone) and is not relieved by analgesia up to and including morphine".
Stretching doesn't really aggrevate the pain to me and painkiller definitely helps. Plus I don't experience swelling or bruises. Another guy at my club has compartment syndrome, and he describes the pain as if his legs are about to explode. It's not really that severe to me.
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Sigh. Hence the problem of self diagnosis. See an ortho, seriously!
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