On February 06 2013 12:15 Xiphos wrote: eshlow, I have one slight question I would like you ask you regarding Injuries and such. So basically, I have been in a hiatus from working out in about a mouth. I've done some light exercises(lighter than my previous standard) and I have strains on my arms. do you suggest me to keep pushing myself the next day? Or would you suggest to lead it stabilize and then work out more?
I know not who you're looking for, but I'll help out if I can. What specifically happened to your arms? Was it a diagnosed problem or one of those simple lifting tweaks that goes away in a week? If it's the latter then I'd say work your way back up to your previous working weight- slowly- and if there's any pain, stop doing that movement with that weight. Don't exacerbate a problem (like I recently did with my shoulder) instead of letting it fully heal first.
I can give some actual advice once I know what the issue is lol. What a generalized answer I just gave.
Pretty much, the current situation is that I can't fully stretch out my arm at full length and it strains in my muscle. Whenever I lift again, the opposite part of my elbow (inner elbow close to me) feels really strain out. But after 1 day, I recovered from not being able to stretch more than 130 degree to 150 degree. You can say that in 2 days, I should be fully recovered but I feel that I'm wasting my time.
On February 06 2013 12:15 Xiphos wrote: eshlow, I have one slight question I would like you ask you regarding Injuries and such. So basically, I have been in a hiatus from working out in about a mouth. I've done some light exercises(lighter than my previous standard) and I have strains on my arms. do you suggest me to keep pushing myself the next day? Or would you suggest to lead it stabilize and then work out more?
I know not who you're looking for, but I'll help out if I can. What specifically happened to your arms? Was it a diagnosed problem or one of those simple lifting tweaks that goes away in a week? If it's the latter then I'd say work your way back up to your previous working weight- slowly- and if there's any pain, stop doing that movement with that weight. Don't exacerbate a problem (like I recently did with my shoulder) instead of letting it fully heal first.
I can give some actual advice once I know what the issue is lol. What a generalized answer I just gave.
Pretty much, the current situation is that I can't fully stretch out my arm at full length and it strains in my muscle. Whenever I lift again, the opposite part of my elbow (inner elbow close to me) feels really strain out. But after 1 day, I recovered from not being able to stretch more than 130 degree to 150 degree. You can say that in 2 days, I should be fully recovered but I feel that I'm wasting my time.
I'd say if your lifts feel alright (especially pushing movements/lower body) then you should be good to lift. Although, taking a couple rest days never hurt anybody. In fact it can mean improving your lifts if your CNS needs the rest anyway. I'd stay away from deadlifting and probably most pulling movements- rows, chins, etc.- and emphasize clean reps w/ no pain at all.
When I say stay away, I mean for a short period until you feel no pain in your arm anymore. Not indefinite hiatus.
On February 06 2013 12:15 Xiphos wrote: eshlow, I have one slight question I would like you ask you regarding Injuries and such. So basically, I have been in a hiatus from working out in about a mouth. I've done some light exercises(lighter than my previous standard) and I have strains on my arms. do you suggest me to keep pushing myself the next day? Or would you suggest to lead it stabilize and then work out more?
I know not who you're looking for, but I'll help out if I can. What specifically happened to your arms? Was it a diagnosed problem or one of those simple lifting tweaks that goes away in a week? If it's the latter then I'd say work your way back up to your previous working weight- slowly- and if there's any pain, stop doing that movement with that weight. Don't exacerbate a problem (like I recently did with my shoulder) instead of letting it fully heal first.
I can give some actual advice once I know what the issue is lol. What a generalized answer I just gave.
Pretty much, the current situation is that I can't fully stretch out my arm at full length and it strains in my muscle. Whenever I lift again, the opposite part of my elbow (inner elbow close to me) feels really strain out. But after 1 day, I recovered from not being able to stretch more than 130 degree to 150 degree. You can say that in 2 days, I should be fully recovered but I feel that I'm wasting my time.
I'd say if your lifts feel alright (especially pushing movements/lower body) then you should be good to lift. Although, taking a couple rest days never hurt anybody. In fact it can mean improving your lifts if your CNS needs the rest anyway. I'd stay away from deadlifting and probably most pulling movements- rows, chins, etc.- and emphasize clean reps w/ no pain at all.
When I say stay away, I mean for a short period until you feel no pain in your arm anymore. Not indefinite hiatus.
Ugh, as I type, I just finished taking a 5 minutes nap, my muscles are all tighten up again and I can barely stretch 120 degree on my arm. Because of that reason, I thank you for that advice of taking a day or two off. I myself THINK that if I force my muscles to do work with lifts, they would be able to stretch all the way. However, I'm not sure if that's the best thing to do as I really don't know if I will be furthering increasing the lactic acids and damaging it or 'being a man'.
So I'm having a dilemma of training smart or grow some....
On February 07 2013 10:27 eshlow wrote: Did you do an intense workout and now you have a lot of DOMS?
Is your urine tea colored? If so, go straight to the ER for rhabdomyolysis.
Limitation in range of motion due to severe DOMS typically means you did too much coming back
I would not workout until most of the soreness has subsided.
Thank you for responding eshlow! Just googled DOMS and YES by that definition, this is exactly what I'm experiencing. But it is really nice to know that both you and Mortal have identical advice of taking a break. I think that the pain/strain is only getting worse and I haven't even workout anything in the past 48 hrs.
On February 07 2013 10:27 eshlow wrote: Did you do an intense workout and now you have a lot of DOMS?
Is your urine tea colored? If so, go straight to the ER for rhabdomyolysis.
Limitation in range of motion due to severe DOMS typically means you did too much coming back
I would not workout until most of the soreness has subsided.
Thank you for responding eshlow! Just googled DOMS and YES by that definition, this is exactly what I'm experiencing. But it is really nice to know that both you and Mortal have identical advice of taking a break. I think that the pain/strain is only getting worse and I haven't even workout anything in the past 48 hrs.
Two months later, and my knee injury is basically as it was the first day. Zero improvement, if anything it got worse. I have been to 4 doctors now, and none of them could tell me what is even going on at all. I have no idea what I can do to make it better nor what I need to avoid to not make it worse. All they can tell me it's something with the lateral meniscus but "even there symptoms aren't conclusive".
I went to the best sports injury doctor in the whole area now but they couldn't give me an appointment before April. Every slight stress on my knee gives me pain, and sometimes - like today - my entire knee is in constant pain.
Meanwhile several $1000s worth of new skiing and flying equipment sits unused at home and I am canceling one planned trip after another. This sucks so much
On February 08 2013 22:19 zatic wrote: I am so depressed right now TT
Two months later, and my knee injury is basically as it was the first day. Zero improvement, if anything it got worse. I have been to 4 doctors now, and none of them could tell me what is even going on at all. I have no idea what I can do to make it better nor what I need to avoid to not make it worse. All they can tell me it's something with the lateral meniscus but "even there symptoms aren't conclusive".
I went to the best sports injury doctor in the whole area now but they couldn't give me an appointment before April. Every slight stress on my knee gives me pain, and sometimes - like today - my entire knee is in constant pain.
Meanwhile several $1000s worth of new skiing and flying equipment sits unused at home and I am canceling one planned trip after another. This sucks so much
I have a problem with my calves when I run. I can't get more than half a mile before they start killing me. I ran for a mile today and when I started walking afterwards my calves were just completely tight, they felt like throbbing rocks on the back of my leg as I walked to the locker room.
This kind of pain has been happening for the past few months. I do a fair amount of running and jump roping during a week, 1 of each at least 3 times a week. I don't remember this pain back when I used to play sports in middle/high school, which really annoys me that it's just now starting.
I try to work on "pose" running with the figure 4 position if you know what that is at all. I think I may be just keeping my calves activated when I pull my foot off the ground, which never gives them a chance to rest, which tires them out extremely quickly.
The pain is very noticeable and hard to ignore. I feel a slight pain in the front of my shin when my foot hits the ground, I don't know what that is, but I'm pretty sure it's related, it starts around the same time as my calves.
I'm just looking for any idea on what my cause the pain, something to work on to fix it, or some kind of recovery I can do so my legs don't hurt the next day. Thanks.
On February 11 2013 10:47 ElvisWayCool wrote: I have a problem with my calves when I run. I can't get more than half a mile before they start killing me. I ran for a mile today and when I started walking afterwards my calves were just completely tight, they felt like throbbing rocks on the back of my leg as I walked to the locker room.
This kind of pain has been happening for the past few months. I do a fair amount of running and jump roping during a week, 1 of each at least 3 times a week. I don't remember this pain back when I used to play sports in middle/high school, which really annoys me that it's just now starting.
I try to work on "pose" running with the figure 4 position if you know what that is at all. I think I may be just keeping my calves activated when I pull my foot off the ground, which never gives them a chance to rest, which tires them out extremely quickly.
The pain is very noticeable and hard to ignore. I feel a slight pain in the front of my shin when my foot hits the ground, I don't know what that is, but I'm pretty sure it's related, it starts around the same time as my calves.
I'm just looking for any idea on what my cause the pain, something to work on to fix it, or some kind of recovery I can do so my legs don't hurt the next day. Thanks.
POSE is a method to learning a good mid-foot strike. Unfortunately, the way they teach it can be a bit tough for people to grasp.
I would suggest learning front side mechanics from something like USA track and field materials or brian mac's website instead.
If it's destroying your calves you need to drop the amount of running you are doing and work into it slowly, and likely revisit your form.
Hey guys, I honestly don't know who else to go to here. I've tried to commit suicide through carbon monoxide poisoning. This happened back in september of 2012 and I'm still not fully recovered.
So here's the deal. I am having multiple problems that not even my doctors can figure out what to do. First off is my right leg, it really hurts but the pain moves around my leg. Somedays it just hurts on the top of my foot, sometimes its in my achillies heel, sometimes its my calf, and as of right now its in my thigh.
Secondly, I am numb in my right part of my chest. It wrap around my side to my back. This is unsettling to say the least.
Anyways, here is what I know so far. I had rhabdomyolysis and my leg had swelled to twice the size it is now. I was in major amounts of pain that not even vicodin could kill. Its gotten substantially better, though, it does seem to not go away. Sometimes I wake up in the morning with massive pain that slowly subsides as the day goes on and sometimes I wake up with just numbness on my leg.
Here is what I've tried so far: I've tried going to a physical therapist and all they have done is hooked me up to a machine that pulls on my waist and chest in two opposite directions because I have a pinched s1, 4th lumbar, and 5 lumbar disks. I've also tried going to an acupuncturist, and I've recently been seeing a massage therapist. None of this has helped me with my leg.
I can live with a numb chest, I cannot live with a painful leg. Any help would be appreciated.
Edit: Another thing I forgot to add was that my foot gets unusually cold these days, much colder than my left foot.
On February 08 2013 22:19 zatic wrote: I am so depressed right now TT
Two months later, and my knee injury is basically as it was the first day. Zero improvement, if anything it got worse. I have been to 4 doctors now, and none of them could tell me what is even going on at all. I have no idea what I can do to make it better nor what I need to avoid to not make it worse. All they can tell me it's something with the lateral meniscus but "even there symptoms aren't conclusive".
I went to the best sports injury doctor in the whole area now but they couldn't give me an appointment before April. Every slight stress on my knee gives me pain, and sometimes - like today - my entire knee is in constant pain.
Meanwhile several $1000s worth of new skiing and flying equipment sits unused at home and I am canceling one planned trip after another. This sucks so much
Sounds like my groin issue. Been dealing with it for 3 months now and very minimal, if any, improvement.
Not fun.
Description is:
Got a groin injury about three months ago, maybe a little more by continuing on through a workout as it started to hurt. Was pretty bad that day, walking was pretty painful as was lifting the led and/or adduction/abduction.
Improved quite a bit over the next three weeks to where I don't really feel it any more during most day to day activities.
Occasionally I feel a "twinge" in the right leg (not pain or discomfort, just the feeling that something isn't quite right) if I were to do something like use my left leg to forcefully close a door. I can also feel a mild discomfort if I forcefully adduct my legs together against resistance. There is NO pain if I apply pressure to the abdomen or anywhere along the pubic symphysis.
Thing like riding the stationary/recumbent bike, using the elliptical , sit-ups, etc. do not seem to cause any discomfort or odd feelings whatsoever (in fact it generally feels better right after getting off bike/elliptical).
The main problem is when I try to run or move quickly side to side. It can feel okay for the first 30-60s, but as I continue it starts to feel "off" in the groin, basically down the midline of the inner right thigh, and if I continued it would begin to hurt.
On March 06 2013 14:32 Viperskwa wrote: Hey guys, I honestly don't know who else to go to here. I've tried to commit suicide through carbon monoxide poisoning. This happened back in september of 2012 and I'm still not fully recovered.
So here's the deal. I am having multiple problems that not even my doctors can figure out what to do. First off is my right leg, it really hurts but the pain moves around my leg. Somedays it just hurts on the top of my foot, sometimes its in my achillies heel, sometimes its my calf, and as of right now its in my thigh.
Secondly, I am numb in my right part of my chest. It wrap around my side to my back. This is unsettling to say the least.
Anyways, here is what I know so far. I had rhabdomyolysis and my leg had swelled to twice the size it is now. I was in major amounts of pain that not even vicodin could kill. Its gotten substantially better, though, it does seem to not go away. Sometimes I wake up in the morning with massive pain that slowly subsides as the day goes on and sometimes I wake up with just numbness on my leg.
Here is what I've tried so far: I've tried going to a physical therapist and all they have done is hooked me up to a machine that pulls on my waist and chest in two opposite directions because I have a pinched s1, 4th lumbar, and 5 lumbar disks. I've also tried going to an acupuncturist, and I've recently been seeing a massage therapist. None of this has helped me with my leg.
I can live with a numb chest, I cannot live with a painful leg. Any help would be appreciated.
Edit: Another thing I forgot to add was that my foot gets unusually cold these days, much colder than my left foot.
Hey man, I'm no doctor, but to me it sounds you are still suffering the effects of the rhabdo.. Doctors are your best bet I'd say. Anyway, keep strong and I hope you recover!
On March 06 2013 14:32 Viperskwa wrote: Hey guys, I honestly don't know who else to go to here. I've tried to commit suicide through carbon monoxide poisoning. This happened back in september of 2012 and I'm still not fully recovered.
So here's the deal. I am having multiple problems that not even my doctors can figure out what to do. First off is my right leg, it really hurts but the pain moves around my leg. Somedays it just hurts on the top of my foot, sometimes its in my achillies heel, sometimes its my calf, and as of right now its in my thigh.
Secondly, I am numb in my right part of my chest. It wrap around my side to my back. This is unsettling to say the least.
Anyways, here is what I know so far. I had rhabdomyolysis and my leg had swelled to twice the size it is now. I was in major amounts of pain that not even vicodin could kill. Its gotten substantially better, though, it does seem to not go away. Sometimes I wake up in the morning with massive pain that slowly subsides as the day goes on and sometimes I wake up with just numbness on my leg.
Here is what I've tried so far: I've tried going to a physical therapist and all they have done is hooked me up to a machine that pulls on my waist and chest in two opposite directions because I have a pinched s1, 4th lumbar, and 5 lumbar disks. I've also tried going to an acupuncturist, and I've recently been seeing a massage therapist. None of this has helped me with my leg.
I can live with a numb chest, I cannot live with a painful leg. Any help would be appreciated.
Edit: Another thing I forgot to add was that my foot gets unusually cold these days, much colder than my left foot.
It's most likely vascular issue - vascular entrapment. You will need to get MRI and/or angiogram done - any competent doctor should've directed you in that direction with the symptoms you are having. This is no case for PT or acupuncturist.
On February 06 2013 02:42 Mortal wrote: Now for my actual curiosity: Does anyone have experience or an opinion on seeing an upper-cervical specialist to diagnose/fix any problems with the spine, and specifically the atlas/axis?
While all the evidence I've heard is almost purely anecdotal, it comes from sources I trust enough to go out of my way and at least schedule an initial appointment to see what it's all about. I've had back problems long enough that seeing the standard chiro isn't cutting it anymore.
The question might end up being, how many times have you seen a chiropractor? I say this because many of the spinal manipulations practiced by chiros actually end up worsening an individuals condition under the guise of temporary relief, and you might end up seeing an M.D. back/neck specialist who has to try and figure out what some dudes been doing back there. What is the nature of your injury?
Excuse me? Purely anecdotal? That you've heard? Chiropractic adjustment has more scientific evidence than most medical treatments. You're being misinformed by other misinformed people.
Hertzman-Miller RP, Morgenstern H, Hurwitz EL, et al. Comparing the satisfaction of low back pain patients randomized to receive medical or chiropractic care: result from the UCLA Low-Back Pain Study. Am J Public Heath 2002;92:1628-1633.
Haas, M, Goldberg, B, Aickin, M, Ganger, B, Attwood, M. A practice-based study of patients with acute and chronic low back pain attending primary care and chiropractic physicians: two-week to 48-month follow-up. J Manipulative PHysiol ther 2004;27:160-169.
It's a no-brainer to say that upper-cervical specialists are best at dealing with atlas-axial misalignment issue, no question about it.
Let me state that there are bad chiros out there just as there are bad MDs, PTs and that applies to every profession out there. Don't generalize your bad experience(s) as if it applies to the whole profession.
On January 22 2013 09:05 funkie wrote: 1. Pic where it hurts and shit + Show Spoiler +
2. What exercises hurt? Squats, and anything involving the legs.
3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp? Sharp.
4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room. 7-8ish
5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~6-8 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury? Acute, around last week thursday. It did get better, but when I tried squatting 100kg it started again, real bad.
6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long? A week, but it has never been this bad. (the pain)
7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it. If I push my glute or my ankle I can "trigger" the pain, if I massage for a while it kinds of numbs me too.
8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes? Ice, and resting.
9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities? Resting seems to help, massage too. If I start doing "heavy" stuff ankle starts to hurt and glute follows.
10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling? Nope, no swelling. My legs are tight but may be because I just got back from the gym?
11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day? At the begining of day it feels fine, I can feel it, but It doesn't bother me at all, when I exercise the pain starts to get bigger and bigger.
12. Any previous injury history? Nothing serious, just a couple of minor injuries.
13. How's your posture? I sit all day, so it's probably 60% shit, 40% good (in a 24h time spawn).
14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports? 5x5 Every day squats.
15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help? Not that I know of? maybe this is cause of an overload? since I stopped training by mid-december and recently started again, and I went at it like mad (had no "going easy" mentality.).
Da fudge is going on with you?
All of those points on you hurt all at once or is it different movements for different points hurting or what?
If they got a physical therapist down there in venez you should definitely see one. That's a bit odd.
My likely guess is since many things are hurting something's probably going on with the sciatic nerve. It could be SI joint messing up things all the way down the chain or maybe something else along that line. Not sure over the Internet...
My glute hurts when I try to put pressure on it, when I do weighs (squats).
My Ankle hurts when I'm down in the squat and I'm getting out of the hole, like when my ass hits my legs?.
It's actually just the glute and the ankle, the middle point was just a bad hit walking and I hit a concrete thingy lol.
What part of the ankle hurts?
Do you have access to a foam roller you can use?
I have one PVC Pipe that I use seldomly.
You know where the ball in the ankle is (like the bone that looks like a ball, just above it near the center of the leg, but just above the forementioned part of the leg.
So anterior to the talus?
It hurts because of a pinching type movement when you go deep in the squat?
The mark on the picture above looks like posterior to the lateral malleolus?
Can you get a vid of you squatting?
Video of squatting (it is pretty old, but form hasn't changed for the most part. Come again, this is a pretty shitty squat video haha, my legs go in in the going-up movement. )
Where it exactly (kind of) hurts. I tried squatting without weight and it doesn't bother me that much or close to none, don't know what the fuck is up.
It hurts when I'm boucing out of the hole in the squat, maybe because of the pressure there?
btw, thanks for all the help, I know this isn't easy on the internet, but I do appreciate you taking the time to diagnose me. <3 you forever.
Not sure if you are still around, but from looking at your video I can tell you two things from your form - 1. you have rather large external rotation of your hip causing ur foot to be flared out - that puts much of the weight on your fibular bone, which is not supposed to be weight bearing. Without direct examination, the possible ddx for you are as following: peroneal mm strain injury; lateral compartment syndrome; stress fracture of fibula.
Long story short, you need to get checked out by a competent DO/Chiro/Osteopath. And no matter what treatment they do on you, as you are doing squat everyday, you need to correct your squat form to prevent future injury.
And 2. see how your knee collapses medially as you come up? You are not activating your gluteus maximus, which you should be doing. With your g. maximus not activating, your body is trying to compensate by activating ur g. medius (along with TFL, which is connected to your IT band), which isn't able to bear the weight properly. This puts additional stress on ur peroneal mm, which worsens the point #1. Solution: Work on activating ur g. max - kettle bell swing (done PROPERLY) is one of the best method out there to train hip hinge, which trains g. max. Another is lunge - search lunge for gluteus maximus on google, i'm sure several good articles will come up.
On March 06 2013 14:32 Viperskwa wrote: Hey guys, I honestly don't know who else to go to here. I've tried to commit suicide through carbon monoxide poisoning. This happened back in september of 2012 and I'm still not fully recovered.
So here's the deal. I am having multiple problems that not even my doctors can figure out what to do. First off is my right leg, it really hurts but the pain moves around my leg. Somedays it just hurts on the top of my foot, sometimes its in my achillies heel, sometimes its my calf, and as of right now its in my thigh.
Secondly, I am numb in my right part of my chest. It wrap around my side to my back. This is unsettling to say the least.
Anyways, here is what I know so far. I had rhabdomyolysis and my leg had swelled to twice the size it is now. I was in major amounts of pain that not even vicodin could kill. Its gotten substantially better, though, it does seem to not go away. Sometimes I wake up in the morning with massive pain that slowly subsides as the day goes on and sometimes I wake up with just numbness on my leg.
Here is what I've tried so far: I've tried going to a physical therapist and all they have done is hooked me up to a machine that pulls on my waist and chest in two opposite directions because I have a pinched s1, 4th lumbar, and 5 lumbar disks. I've also tried going to an acupuncturist, and I've recently been seeing a massage therapist. None of this has helped me with my leg.
I can live with a numb chest, I cannot live with a painful leg. Any help would be appreciated.
Edit: Another thing I forgot to add was that my foot gets unusually cold these days, much colder than my left foot.
Potentially see a naturopathic or other alternative medicine physician. If it's something similar to say Complex regional pain syndrome / reflex sympathetic dystrophy there are some PTs that work well with that (although most won't be able to) and I'd say that your best shot is probably with some of the more alternative medicine people who have figured out how to deal with some of the cases that conventional medicine hasn't been able to help because they look at it from the cause-effect side of things.
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