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justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-30 11:31:46
October 30 2011 11:31 GMT
#341
is drinking milk everyday a good thing? I just started having 2 cups per day.
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
October 30 2011 12:09 GMT
#342
On October 30 2011 20:31 justiceknight wrote:
is drinking milk everyday a good thing? I just started having 2 cups per day.


It's fine if you're not allergic.

See the studies I posted in nutrition thread on saturated fat.
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jjhchsc2
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)2393 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 06:25:09
October 31 2011 06:01 GMT
#343
On October 27 2011 00:29 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 23:42 Daigomi wrote:
Can someone explain bf% and cutting to me?

When I started SL, I weighed 81kg at 18% bf. After almost two months now, I weigh around 85kg at 18% bf. What I'm not sure about is what this means. If I picked up 4kg without a change in bf%, does that imply that 82% of the weight I picked up is muscle (i.e. 3.2kg muscle)? In the same vein, does 18% bf of 85kg mean that there's 15kg fat, and will dropping my weight by 5kg (without losing muscle mass) decrease my bf% to 12%?

I'm not sure if I'm oversimplifying things or if things are that simple. I thought I'd start cutting once I reach my weightlifting first goals, which are still a few months away, but these questions have been bothering me so I thought I'd ask.


Just do the calcs

82kg * 18% bf = 14.76 kg fat, then subtract that from 82kg = 67.24kg lean mass
85kg * 18% bf = 15.3 kg fat, 69.7kg lean mass

So you've gained about 2.5kg of lean mass, and about .5kg of fat.

That's generally a pretty good ratio when you're trying to gain weight.

If you drop 5kg of fat on cut on 85kg then you will have ~10kg of fat and ~70kg of lean mass = fat / total weight = (10 / (10+70)) = 12.5% bf


So when you're cutting...
you lose pure fat? as long as you keep lifting and eating enough protein?

also my friend who suggested shakes and supps sent me this link.
http://www.hussmanfitness.org/html/TFPostProtein.html

Is this true??

some parts~~

The Journal of Physiology recently reported a study that tracked 13 subjects over 12 weeks. One group took a protein-containing supplement immediately after resistance training. The other waited for 2 hours before taking protein. The immediate protein group saw significant increases in muscle mass, dynamic strength (strength in moving a weight) and isometric strength (strength without movement). The 2-hour delay group saw only improved dynamic strength. The study notes "We conclude that an early intake of an oral protein supplement after resistance training is important for the development of hypertrophy in skeletal muscle."


How much do you have to eat after weight training to get an effect? Surprisingly little. In one study, there was a marked effect from only about 100 calories of total intake. A recent study in the American Journal of Physiology, Endocrinology & Metabolism involved a small post-exercise meal (10 g protein, 8 g carbohydrate, 3 g fat) either immediately (EARLY) or 3 hours (LATE) after 60 min of moderate-intensity exercise. The "EARLY" group showed nearly triple the rate of energy utilization and protein synthesis, resulting in significantly greater muscle gains. Interestingly, though essential amino acids were taken up by the muscles in the "EARLY" group, they were actually released from muscle in the "LATE" group (this implies muscle loss in the group that waited 3 hours before eating).

This underscores an important fact: if you work out and you do not follow up with proper nutrition, you can very well lose muscle rather than gain it. It's absolutely essential to think of exercise and nutrition as a package deal. As Shawn Phillips says, "The one thing is everything." If there's one thing that will create results - just one thing - it's to follow a program that integrates everything: effective workouts, proper nutrition, rest, everything.

Again, it may help fat loss to wait about 45 min after workouts to eat a significant meal. But the research is increasingly unanimous that at least a little bit of leucine (even the amount contained in 5-7 grams of whey protein) should be part of your post-workout nutrition.


wtf i thought you still would gain muscle (slow and steady) if you lifted weights but didnt have a good enough nutrition
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Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4758 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 08:16:09
October 31 2011 08:15 GMT
#344
On October 31 2011 15:01 jjhchsc2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 00:29 eshlow wrote:
On October 26 2011 23:42 Daigomi wrote:
Can someone explain bf% and cutting to me?

When I started SL, I weighed 81kg at 18% bf. After almost two months now, I weigh around 85kg at 18% bf. What I'm not sure about is what this means. If I picked up 4kg without a change in bf%, does that imply that 82% of the weight I picked up is muscle (i.e. 3.2kg muscle)? In the same vein, does 18% bf of 85kg mean that there's 15kg fat, and will dropping my weight by 5kg (without losing muscle mass) decrease my bf% to 12%?

I'm not sure if I'm oversimplifying things or if things are that simple. I thought I'd start cutting once I reach my weightlifting first goals, which are still a few months away, but these questions have been bothering me so I thought I'd ask.


Just do the calcs

82kg * 18% bf = 14.76 kg fat, then subtract that from 82kg = 67.24kg lean mass
85kg * 18% bf = 15.3 kg fat, 69.7kg lean mass

So you've gained about 2.5kg of lean mass, and about .5kg of fat.

That's generally a pretty good ratio when you're trying to gain weight.

If you drop 5kg of fat on cut on 85kg then you will have ~10kg of fat and ~70kg of lean mass = fat / total weight = (10 / (10+70)) = 12.5% bf


So when you're cutting...
you lose pure fat? as long as you keep lifting and eating enough protein?


If you are 6' and 250lb, maybe, if you are 6' and 180, probably not. Losing pure fat is close to impossible, cutting 20lb without losing any strength (read: musclemass) is very unlikely. But yeah, the more protein the better.

About nutrition and training, here is a little excerpt from Glenn Pendlay:


let me just piss off a number of people right off the bat by saying that i totally disagree with anyone who says that food is as important as training in growing muscle.

ive heard a great number of people assert this, and its just crap, in my opinion. i know so damn many people that eat totally like crap, yet train hard and gain... but i dont know anyone who gains without training hard, unless they are a rank beginner, and thats a whole other story, since a beginner wint have to eat right to gain either.

now, to back this up a bit, let me say that the most elite athletes in the world have notoriously bad dietary habits. yeah, thats right. those elite weightlifters, skiiers, wrestlers, etc, eat like crap. if there is any common ground amoung all the sports that have resident athletes at the olympic training center, its the concern over getting decent food into the athletes. most of the top throwers i have known ate fast food, and not enough of it most of the time... most powerlifters eat like crap. if there is anything that elite olympic lifters ahve in common, its smoking, and worrying more about what beer they are going to drink than what they are having for dinner.

but, you might say, this may very well prove that gaining strength, skill, endurance, and even muscle mass isnt really tied to a perfect diet, as long as you get ennough calories... BUT bodybuilding is different because of the low bodyfat required while maintaining high amounts of muscle mass.

well let me ask you this. what stops more people from attaining a physique that looks like a bodybuilder, not enough muscle, or too much fat... and which is easier to remedy? the answer is obvious. going from 160lbs of lean body mass to 230lbs of lean body mass is a lot harder than going from 15% bodyfat to 7% bodyfat.

so what have i said so far... first, that getting big and strong, while undoubtedly helped along by a good diet, arent at all dependant on teh "scientific" and exacting diet plans that most people would hold up as ideal, in fact, getting big and strong seems to happen on a frequent basis to people whose only concern with food is that they get enough of it and that it tasts tood...

and second, that getting really big, and probably pretty strong as well, is the hardest part of being a bodybuilder. staying lean, or getting lean, are both not easy, but they arent the main challenge to the guy just starting out who want s to step onstage someday.

so there you have it... training, what you do and how hard you do it, is the most important thing in bodybuilding as in any sport. food, rest, other recovery techniques, self confidence boosters, EVERYTHING else, in fact, are just there to support the training. the training is the main thing.


http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/training-forum/best-meso-best-johnsmith-12.html (on the 2nd page)

But obviously, eating better will always only benefit you.
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DoubleZee
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada556 Posts
October 31 2011 08:25 GMT
#345
A buddy of mine is going to give me a tub of creatine for free next week. I've read a bunch of conflicting info about when/how much to take, what to mix it with, etc. What's the straight dope on creatine?
Just think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are even stupider!
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 12:42:39
October 31 2011 12:39 GMT
#346
jjhchsc2,


Stop getting caught up in the details.

We've already explained most of the fundamentals -- eating right, eating timing (post workout), lifting, etc.

All you have to do now is do it. If you get caught up in paralysis by analysis (which you can as there are studies suggesting everything which way) then you will never get anything done.

As for the study, you don't know what training program they used. If your nutrition is crap you may or may not be able to gain muscle.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
October 31 2011 12:41 GMT
#347
On October 31 2011 17:25 DoubleZee wrote:
A buddy of mine is going to give me a tub of creatine for free next week. I've read a bunch of conflicting info about when/how much to take, what to mix it with, etc. What's the straight dope on creatine?

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/likness2.htm
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
Autofire2
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Pakistan290 Posts
November 01 2011 01:30 GMT
#348
Eshlow, would you agree with Malinor that you can't effectively lose fat and gain muscle at the same time unless you're really overweight? I'm definitely eating below maintenance, but almost ALL of that is protein.

SS is three weeks in. I've increased squat from 45 lbs to 110 lbs in that time, and all other lifts about proportionately (though my deadlift is about the same as Squat...I should increase it faster). I'm 165 lbs myself.

So...if my priority is being slim and fit, at what point of bodyfat should I say "right, there's no way to keep gaining just off my fat stores"? I really want to get rid of my love handles, and was hoping they'd get eaten away by the weightlifting as you outline in your TL health initiative OP. Rip in SS also mentions that if you have extra bodyfat on you, SS will take care of it.

I suppose another way of asking: how long can I expect the novice effect (gaining muscle and losing fat simultaneously) to last? A bodyweight squat, roughly?



Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
November 01 2011 01:51 GMT
#349
On October 21 2011 05:46 decafchicken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2011 03:48 Autofire2 wrote:
Yeah im close to 5'11 and I weigh 165 lbs.

200kg squat? Holy **** that makes me feel bad about myself lol.

Infinity, you seem to be close to me in physical make up...hows SS been treating you these last couple months? Some people here seem like they were born beasts and have been lifting for years, so its hard to compare myself to them.


You can probably ride SS anywhere to the 1.25-2x bw for squat/deadlift.


I'm personally at ~1.5x BW squat, ~1.8x DL and it's getting rough but I'm still experiencing the novice effect.
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Autofire2
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Pakistan290 Posts
November 01 2011 01:57 GMT
#350
Damn, hurricane, props

But are you eating like a BAMF? I don't do that, though these days I'm pretty much going full paleo. I want to get a good, hard body, not a super muscular one necessarily. I really don't want more bodyfat, I started doing SS in part because a lot of people believe it will trim your body down in a deficit by adding muscle and removing fat at the same time...though obviously not adding as MUCH muscle as if I were a skinny kid hardcore bulking with 6000 calories a day.
Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
November 01 2011 01:59 GMT
#351
No. I'm poor and don't have a kitchen. I've stalled at ~80kg =[. I just eat whenever I can. If you have access to unlimited food you should be able to crush on novice for a while.

This is all from my experience though, I haven't done much homework on it =\.
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alexpnd
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1857 Posts
November 01 2011 03:27 GMT
#352
I'm looking to start starting fitness. Since I don't have a car or anything I thought it'd be best if I bought some equipment (already have straight bar, curl bar, need a few more weights though). I was looking at this http://www.treadmillfactory.ca/p-1602-c-8-strength-armour-deluxe-squat-stand.html and was wondering if anyone has any remarks. Would this allow bench pressing as well ( I don't see why not ). Any recommendations?
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jjhchsc2
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)2393 Posts
November 01 2011 04:55 GMT
#353
On October 31 2011 21:39 eshlow wrote:
jjhchsc2,


Stop getting caught up in the details.

We've already explained most of the fundamentals -- eating right, eating timing (post workout), lifting, etc.

All you have to do now is do it. If you get caught up in paralysis by analysis (which you can as there are studies suggesting everything which way) then you will never get anything done.

As for the study, you don't know what training program they used. If your nutrition is crap you may or may not be able to gain muscle.

sorry but i am surrounded by broscience guys and it annoys me that they care more about shakes than their overall nutrition.

tlhf is my only source of comfort.
thanks for the reply
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esla_sol
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States756 Posts
November 01 2011 06:12 GMT
#354
have been doing ss for a month, my weight has gone from 233 to 248 and im 6'1. been doing gomad and eating like a champ. ive had linear progression on my squat (205)/dl (215) of 10 lb per workout, and bench (130)/press (70) of 5 lb per workout.

my questions are:

1. how will i know when i need to taper down my extra poundage per workout? (ie, when will i know when to go from 10 lb per workout to 5 lb?)

2. is it normal for bench/press to be so weak? today's 130 was pretty heavy, and i see scrawny people in the gym all the time repping a lot more than that. in practical programming he has a chart that lists body weight corresponding with untrained expected bench press weight, and it happens to be more than what i can currently do after a month of training. is there something that i am not getting?

3. my fitness goal is to be trim with a solid amount of muscle behind it. obviously the gomand and the mass calories have to stop at some point. when would be the ideal time to change diets?





glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
November 01 2011 09:31 GMT
#355
1. when you fail to pull the 10 lbs increase.
2. most gym people are on a chest biceps focus, so they bench for ages and can bench a decent amount of weight. other than that for your weight both are kinda low. but then again there is not much you can do but eat a lot and do ss. just try to avoid t-rex mode.
3. thats highly subjective, the longer you eat like a pig the more muscle gains you will make. i personally would stop when i get a gut, just cause it doesn't look good.
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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
November 01 2011 13:41 GMT
#356
On November 01 2011 10:30 Autofire2 wrote:
Eshlow, would you agree with Malinor that you can't effectively lose fat and gain muscle at the same time unless you're really overweight? I'm definitely eating below maintenance, but almost ALL of that is protein.

SS is three weeks in. I've increased squat from 45 lbs to 110 lbs in that time, and all other lifts about proportionately (though my deadlift is about the same as Squat...I should increase it faster). I'm 165 lbs myself.

So...if my priority is being slim and fit, at what point of bodyfat should I say "right, there's no way to keep gaining just off my fat stores"? I really want to get rid of my love handles, and was hoping they'd get eaten away by the weightlifting as you outline in your TL health initiative OP. Rip in SS also mentions that if you have extra bodyfat on you, SS will take care of it.

I suppose another way of asking: how long can I expect the novice effect (gaining muscle and losing fat simultaneously) to last? A bodyweight squat, roughly?


No. What I've always said is that you can gain muscle and lose fat at the same time. But it will become exponentially slower as you lose more bodyfat %.

How long for novice effect? It depends on your genetics, sleep, nutrition,stress, etc. Typically as has been posted in this thread you can take novice effects to 1.25-1.5x squat and DL Maybe higher.. maybe lower
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
November 01 2011 13:42 GMT
#357
On November 01 2011 12:27 alexpnd wrote:
I'm looking to start starting fitness. Since I don't have a car or anything I thought it'd be best if I bought some equipment (already have straight bar, curl bar, need a few more weights though). I was looking at this http://www.treadmillfactory.ca/p-1602-c-8-strength-armour-deluxe-squat-stand.html and was wondering if anyone has any remarks. Would this allow bench pressing as well ( I don't see why not ). Any recommendations?


That's fine you can squat and bench with that
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-02 06:50:31
November 02 2011 06:48 GMT
#358
eshlow,

[image loading]

My adductor longus/gracillis (according to this picture), (basically follow the inside of my thigh/hamstring up until it hits a cluster of muscles) have the tension of a crossbow string. Is this normal? If not, any recommended stretches/exercises to loosen them up a bit? I find when at the bottom of a snatch/OHS that I just can't get my hips open wide enough to fully sit properly. I've googled a bit and watched an MWOD video about snatch flexibility, but I can't understand the stretch in question (akin to lying on your back and getting into a wide squat position against a wall? i can't seem to figure out how to actually load+perform the stretch)

Basically my hips are closed as hell and I think it's because my adductors could launch a flaming rock through a medieval castle, they're so tight. Any tips?


Also, maybe relevant..I've already posted about my outwards turned feet. Often when I'm standing, knee unbent, and I manually rotate my foot inwards by pushing sideways on my heel, there's a pop in around the aforementioned adductor area, right up by my groin. Could it be related to the feet thing?
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Daigomi
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
South Africa4316 Posts
November 02 2011 10:07 GMT
#359
On November 01 2011 15:12 esla_sol wrote:
have been doing ss for a month, my weight has gone from 233 to 248 and im 6'1. been doing gomad and eating like a champ. ive had linear progression on my squat (205)/dl (215) of 10 lb per workout, and bench (130)/press (70) of 5 lb per workout.

my questions are:

1. how will i know when i need to taper down my extra poundage per workout? (ie, when will i know when to go from 10 lb per workout to 5 lb?)

2. is it normal for bench/press to be so weak? today's 130 was pretty heavy, and i see scrawny people in the gym all the time repping a lot more than that. in practical programming he has a chart that lists body weight corresponding with untrained expected bench press weight, and it happens to be more than what i can currently do after a month of training. is there something that i am not getting?

3. my fitness goal is to be trim with a solid amount of muscle behind it. obviously the gomand and the mass calories have to stop at some point. when would be the ideal time to change diets?

Just from my experience:

1. If you squat every session, I think it's recommended that you only increase by 5lbs a session. Deadlifts increase by 10lbs a session because you only do it every second session and it improves with squats. Our gym didn't have 2.5lbs weights, so I did 10lbs increase a session for 5-6 weeks on squats, and I wouldn't recommend it. At one point, I felt like I never recovered and every time I went to the gym I had some new sharp pain to contend with. I was also messing up my technique and had difficulty listening to my body, since I couldn't remember what it felt like to do squats properly after a while. In the end, I had to decrease my squat weight by 10kgs twice (85 to 75, and 95 to 85 a bit later), just to allow some of my weaker muscles to catch up with the rest. Anyway, my point is: Stick to the program, even if you feel like you can keep making bigger jumps with heavier weights. It will allow you to keep making linear gains for much longer.

2. I don't think you have to worry, you're definitely ahead of where I was after a month. Bench and press take much longer to improve than squat and deadlift. After two months, I'm now on 130lbs bench and 100lbs press.
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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
November 02 2011 13:49 GMT
#360
On November 02 2011 15:48 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
eshlow,

[image loading]

My adductor longus/gracillis (according to this picture), (basically follow the inside of my thigh/hamstring up until it hits a cluster of muscles) have the tension of a crossbow string. Is this normal? If not, any recommended stretches/exercises to loosen them up a bit? I find when at the bottom of a snatch/OHS that I just can't get my hips open wide enough to fully sit properly. I've googled a bit and watched an MWOD video about snatch flexibility, but I can't understand the stretch in question (akin to lying on your back and getting into a wide squat position against a wall? i can't seem to figure out how to actually load+perform the stretch)

Basically my hips are closed as hell and I think it's because my adductors could launch a flaming rock through a medieval castle, they're so tight. Any tips?


Also, maybe relevant..I've already posted about my outwards turned feet. Often when I'm standing, knee unbent, and I manually rotate my foot inwards by pushing sideways on my heel, there's a pop in around the aforementioned adductor area, right up by my groin. Could it be related to the feet thing?

Basically they want you to wedge your legs against the wall to get the stretch

you can do the same thing without weights. Drop down into a deep squat ont he ground, and then bring your legs out as far as possible... you should be able to get a good stretch that way as well.

If not, you can always do a side lunge to hit the adductors by going pretty far down

The pop could be pubic symphysis or hip capsule. Or anything of that nature.
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