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Alexson
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belarus293 Posts
February 13 2011 18:35 GMT
#1521


My power cleans.. any advice?
Liberal who supports gun use and supports an eye for an eye
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-13 18:47:58
February 13 2011 18:36 GMT
#1522
I actually would rather train without music. Its easier to concentrate. Most people like music though.


@alexson

When gripping the bar, I would recommend using hook grip. Tuck your thumb under the bar and wrap your fingers around your thumb. It is a more secure grip for cleans.

When pulling off the ground, let your arms hang loose. You are arm pulling straight off the ground. Your position looks pretty good off the ground. In the second pull, you have to drive with your hips and extend upwards. It seems like you are jumping forward with just arms. At the catch, you have to dip again to catch the weight. Leaning backwards to catch will make you fall over. Also drive your elbows up to make a better shelf to catch the bar on.
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20168 Posts
February 13 2011 18:45 GMT
#1523
On February 14 2011 03:36 AoN.DimSum wrote:
I actually would rather train without music. Its easier to concentrate. Most people like music though.

Lucky. It's so easy for me to go beast mode with some proper music. Need to start training without it so im used too it for competition.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-13 18:55:54
February 13 2011 18:50 GMT
#1524
On February 14 2011 03:35 Alexson wrote:

My power cleans.. any advice?


I don't know why DS and Decaf aren't commenting since they are already here but this is my take (I've only been doing them for ~2 months)

I get the impression that you are still trying to catch the bar with your arms, it's as if you are putting the bar onto your shoulders with your hands. I was told to have the bar land just inside the shoulders by itself, without forcing it with the arms. I can't really explain this well... and I don't even know if I'm doing them correctly.

Also, your squats, good job on going deep. I think you should still try to have more of a sitting motion when you go down. And I think your knees are contracting inwards (towards each other) when you are getting up, and that should be avoided. Keep your hamstrings tight, and that should help.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
February 13 2011 18:54 GMT
#1525
On February 14 2011 03:36 AoN.DimSum wrote:
I actually would rather train without music. Its easier to concentrate. Most people like music though.


@alexson

When gripping the bar, I would recommend using hook grip. Tuck your thumb under the bar and wrap your fingers around your thumb. It is a more secure grip for cleans.

When pulling off the ground, let your arms hang loose. You are arm pulling straight off the ground. Your position looks pretty good off the ground. In the second pull, you have to drive with your hips and extend upwards. It seems like you are jumping forward with just arms. At the catch, you have to dip again to catch the weight. Leaning backwards to catch will make you fall over. Also drive your elbows up to make a better shelf to catch the bar on.


Okay, great, I think I'm doing mine somewhat correctly. Still waiting for a camera to capture some vids though...
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-13 19:01:42
February 13 2011 19:01 GMT
#1526
Watch any power/full clean video and look at how they catch the bar on their shoulders.

by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-13 19:07:44
February 13 2011 19:05 GMT
#1527
On February 14 2011 03:35 Alexson wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0PJ0CHB0kw

My power cleans.. any advice?



Arm bend is quite severe, there's a distinct lack of hip extension, there's too much of a "jump", and your lumbar spine is in flexion at the start of the lift. The proper rack position has already been mentioned, that's usually just a flexibility issue and just stretching practicing front squats with a strict rack position around your powerclean weight will fix that quickly.


to fix everything else, I would do only full cleans from the high hang until those problems aren't as severe and then start powercleaning from the floor. Doing lifts from the hang forces you to extend the right way and makes it harder to just armpull it up. Your armpull starts right off the floor and isn't just a casual bend right around the 2nd pull that a lot of lifters have.

http://www.pendlay.com/Lifts-from-the-Hang-The-Self-Coached-Lifters-Best-Friend-_df_52.html

I know rip loves to just go straight into teaching the powerclean, but learning full movements from the hang is going to alleviate almost all of the problems that come from learning power movements first.
Our Protoss, Who art in Aiur HongUn be Thy name; Thy stalker come, Thy will be blunk, on ladder as it is in Micro Tourny. Give us this win in our daily ladder, and forgive us our cheeses, As we forgive those who play zerg against us.
Alexson
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belarus293 Posts
February 13 2011 19:11 GMT
#1528
On February 14 2011 04:01 AoN.DimSum wrote:
Watch any power/full clean video and look at how they catch the bar on their shoulders.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ejcOHwN764

Oh wow I see it now that you pointed that out. Its like he doesn't even move his hands at all, but lets the bar fly because of the power in his hips. Thanks everyone for the advice!
Liberal who supports gun use and supports an eye for an eye
tryummm
Profile Joined August 2009
774 Posts
February 13 2011 19:56 GMT
#1529
On February 14 2011 03:35 Alexson wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0PJ0CHB0kw

My power cleans.. any advice?


1) You are starting with a kind of rounded back, rather it would be safer and more natural to start in a neutral position.
2) When you end the lift, you don't have a strong grip with your elbows up securing the bar. Here is a video so you can see what i'm talking about that shows how I would recommend this lift being done by somebody who isn't trying to become a bodybuilder (this is more for an athlete).


When performing the lift, you don't have to perform the stomp. There are benefits and effects to using it...but that's for another discussion. You also can start the lift anywhere from your hips to the ground.

I don't know exactly what your goals are, but here is another critical point.

3) I'm going to suggest you don't know how movement is created...and you don't know how to create efficient movement. You see, "Mind is Movement, body is the Manifestation of Movement." Movement can effectively be created through establishing an upward gravitational pull in your upper back and directing that pull mentally to accomplish an endpoint from a starting point. That is how effective movement is generated, and its probably the best advice in this entire thread. Developing the torso where it can do this easily is another matter in itself. But the important thing is, the body isn't movement, and a lot of people get hurt through artificial exercise (Ex: weight training). This isn't to say artificial exercise is bad...its simply people are not used to moving their joints and moving their body in an effective manner. Rather they consciously attempt to emulate other people's movements that can be seen through their eyes, rather than emulating the actual internal and mental mechanics of that movement. Also, people are getting workout advice from people who may not have ever given a physical evaluation/been described a physical evaluation of the person their giving advice to. No matter how good the information is, this type of advice could be potentially injury inflicting and counterproductive. So be careful about who you listen to when taking advice about working out.

4) I personally wouldn't worry about how much weight you can lift. From the looks at the video it looks like your probably using too much weight. Take what I say with a grain of salt, however, since I know nothing about you or your goals/history.
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-13 20:43:12
February 13 2011 20:32 GMT
#1530
tbh your video is bad example. Stomping is excessively bad. Plus I dont think any bodybuilders do cleans.

I found some power cleans
start at 3:57


by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
February 13 2011 22:17 GMT
#1531
Soooo back to deadlifting. After sitting on my arse for average 8-12 hours a day studying it felt quite good getting back to the gym and do some deadlifts.

125kg x 20 ezpz.

Back to the books...
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
Alexson
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belarus293 Posts
February 13 2011 22:35 GMT
#1532
Can anyone tell me about a good oly lifting program, thinking of doing it after SS, but I'm not sure if I should go SS-->Madcows 5x5--> oly lifting first :/..
CLUELESS HERE!
Liberal who supports gun use and supports an eye for an eye
Zafrumi
Profile Joined June 2009
Switzerland1272 Posts
February 13 2011 22:45 GMT
#1533
On February 14 2011 05:32 AoN.DimSum wrote:
I found some power cleans
start at 3:57
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajCN8FSs8mo




zomg, amazons!

actually wondering the same thing alexson but I think I will probably benefit from SS for quite some time so not really worried about that yet. but olympic lifting sounds very interesting
"Strong people are harder to kill than weak people and more useful in general" -Mark Rippetoe
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20168 Posts
February 13 2011 22:53 GMT
#1534
Was watching this today, power clean at 5:00 Loving the daily lift vids from cal strength! :


Lol @ 2:38
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
February 13 2011 23:17 GMT
#1535
yeah cal strength have awesome videos.

I would really recommend a coach if you want to do oly lifts. In usa, there is a list of places:http://weightlifting.teamusa.org/club-lwc-local-info/find-a-club

I dont know how to find gyms in other countries though

Plus you will also do regular lifts to supplement the oly lifts. You will always do back and front squats and pulls. Deadlifts are used in some programs. Bench,presses, pullups, and other stuff can always be done after the workout.

If you really want to learn oly lifts, I would suggest you learn as early as possible. It takes more time to learn than anything else.
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-14 03:43:46
February 14 2011 00:26 GMT
#1536
Unfortunately it appears the only clubs in the State of New York are in Buffalo or Long Island - those being three and six hours from my school, and six and ten hours from home, respectively. Looks like I'll have to learn on my own for Oly lifting if I ever want to get into it =/.

Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
February 14 2011 01:02 GMT
#1537
Hey cool Buffalo has an oly weightlifting club? I should get into oly weightlifting before I graduate lol.
ils
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
February 14 2011 01:16 GMT
#1538
I heard Lost Battalion Hall is really good.
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20168 Posts
February 14 2011 01:33 GMT
#1539
After drinking 3 four lokos, numerous beers, random amounts of liquor, and every fast food and processed food i've avoided in for a month in 24 hours on saturday, Time to get back to being a real person! Hopefully snatches go well tomorrow as i've only done them twice in over two weeks my shoulder can loosen up/stop sucking/whatever the fuck is wrong with it.

@dimsum, how long did it take for you to get to lifting 5 days a week without getting sore? And do you keep your upper back/shoulder blades tight when doing snatches/cleans or just a flat lower back?
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
February 14 2011 02:04 GMT
#1540
Im not really sure. I do still get sore somedays, just once in awhile. Also when pulling off the floor, I try to say tight as possible, which includes my upper back.
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
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