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Daigomi
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
South Africa4316 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-24 21:26:00
October 24 2011 21:16 GMT
#13061
On October 25 2011 01:05 Raidern wrote:
I notice that some people can lift about the same weight at BP and Squats, while others can Squat almost double the weight they lift at BP. I'm in the first group. Why is that? Bad form? Long history of weak exercising on the legs?

Also, I Injured my right leg (or something related to it) last week Tried a single rep of Squat earlier today to check it out and it hurt pretty bad. Im going to see a doctor this afternoon and check it out, hopefully I can still train upper body no problem, but i'm really disappointed with the setback

It drives me crazy when I go to the gym and there's a huge muscled guy squatting 60kgs, and then not even going parallel. In fact, I think in the last month at the gym, I've only seen about 4 or 5 guys squat more than 100kgs. At the same time, I've only seen 4 or 5 guys bench less than me (60kgs). I think it's just a case of guys caring more about their upper body.
On October 25 2011 05:41 Mementoss wrote:
Hey guys I did some dealifts this morning, would you be able to critique them? I think my technique is decent on the 1st and 3rd reps. I think my initial setup from stop is good...But I struggle from top down as seen on my 2nd rep. Any tips or comments would be appreciated.

I'm no expert, but your legs don't seem to be bent nearly enough. It looks like your legs are close to fully straight before the bar lifts from the floor, which means most of the lifting is being done by your back, rather than by your legs.

I found this video very useful for deadlift technique:
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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
October 24 2011 21:33 GMT
#13062
^^^ For deadlift, most of the weight is being lifted by your hip extensors: glutes and hamstrings.

The back is held straight is a lever upon which the weight is lifted (through the arms). It works the back of course because it's an isometric hold, but hte focus is on hip extension.

There is a strong quads component at the start of the lift as well.
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Raidern
Profile Joined February 2005
Brazil3811 Posts
October 24 2011 21:33 GMT
#13063
I just came from the doctor and apparently my sciatic nerve is hurt, so no lower body exercising for some time
That's terrible. I have to take some anti-inflammatory pills and put ice on it. Damn! I truly hate having to stop exercising.
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decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20164 Posts
October 24 2011 23:16 GMT
#13064
Bleh i need to hold off CJ for a while, my collar bone on the left side fucking kills T_T I'll just do front squats and snatches for a week or two and let it fix itself. Also, i feel like i cant even start snatching remotely heavy until i do 20 reps. I worked up to 90, went like 2 for 8, dropped back down to 80, then went all the way up to 105 without missing. T_T

On October 25 2011 01:27 phyre112 wrote:
Obnoxious to hear, but "sucks to suck" decaf. Our D1 team is in the same situation right now, we're 1 - 5. We have a very strong group of forwards, but it seems every five meters we gain scrumming and mauling, we lose seven in poor passing, or we get it to the outside, run in alone, there is no one to ruck and BOOM, turnover. I think I have seen two tries by our D1 backs all season, compared to ten by our pack.

Not that im in any position to talk shit, as far as i have come to understand, "Offense" and "ruck" ate the same word.


Haha first thing i ever learned from my crazy black high school coach (love him to death) "What's the most important play in rugby? RUCKING. NOW QUIT WAITING FOR A BIT TIT IN THE SKY TO SUCK ON AND START RUCKING"
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
October 24 2011 23:34 GMT
#13065
On October 25 2011 03:42 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2011 02:07 Cambium wrote:
So I have access to both cold (18C) and hot (40C) baths after my work outs. What should I do with them? I read that shunting (switching between the two) is good, but some say hot, and some say cold, too much information!!


For recovery or refreshing yourself: Start with cold, end with cold Or just do cold.

For hypertrophy: hot only


There's some evidence going into a sauna after workouts helps with hypertrophy. Check out some studies in pubmed on that (haven't looked at the research in about a year but there was some when I last looked). I think the hypothesized mechanism was heat shock proteins.

edit: here's one of the studies. No weight training + heat stress to quadriceps (though 8hr/day) = increases in hypertrophy and strength
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20803152

search boolean:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=hypertrophy heat stress skeletal NOT cardiac NOT epilepsy

Most of the other studies are in animals so far.

Honestly, I'm not sure how MUCH it helps with hypertrophy though. Maybe minimals amounts cumulating in decently bigger gains after a while. Not sure.


Thanks. Will read some of these when I get a chance.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 25 2011 00:22 GMT
#13066
Thanks for the comments guys, but I seem to hear different advice from different people haha. When I started I was squatting too much, maybe now bend the knees a little more, and just try to keep a flatter back, squeeze the glutes at the top? How to keep a flatter back though, I was trying to keep my chest up and out to do this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
October 25 2011 00:27 GMT
#13067
On October 25 2011 09:22 Mementoss wrote:
Thanks for the comments guys, but I seem to hear different advice from different people haha. When I started I was squatting too much, maybe now bend the knees a little more, and just try to keep a flatter back, squeeze the glutes at the top? How to keep a flatter back though, I was trying to keep my chest up and out to do this.


1. Your feet are shoulder width apart and slightly toed out.
2. Head up, looking slightly above parallel.
3. Don’t look down! Ground is in peripheral vision only!
4. Accentuate the normal arch of the lumbar curve while pulling the excess arch out of the abs.
5. Keep midsection very tight.
6. Send your butt and your back down.
7. Knees track over the line of the foot.
8. Don’t let knees roll over inside of foot.
9. Keep your weight on your heels as much as possible.
10. STAY OFF THE BALLS OF THE FEET!
11. Delay forward travel of the knees as much as possible.
12. Lift your arms up and out as you descend.
13. Elongated torso.
14. Send hands as far away from butt as possible.
15. In profile, the ear does not move forward during the squat, only straight down.
16. Don’t just sink into the squat, pull yourself down with your hip flexors.
17. Don’t let the lumbar curve surrender as you settle into the bottom.
18. Stop when the fold of the hip is below the crease of the knee. Break parallel with your thighs.
19. Squeeeeeeeze glutes and hammies, rise without any leaning forward or shifting of balance.
20. Return on the exact same path as you descended.
21. Use every bit of musculature you can, no part of the body is left uninvolved.
22. On rising, without moving the feet, exert pressure to the outside of your feet as though you were trying to separate the ground beneath you.
23. At the top of the stroke, stand as tall as possible.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
Hurricane
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3939 Posts
October 25 2011 00:32 GMT
#13068
I deadlifted 305lbs 5 times today.

Fuck yeah.

Oh yeah. had to reset my bench but fuck if I care I deadlifted 305lbs.
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yeahitsyarn
Profile Joined September 2011
8 Posts
October 25 2011 02:16 GMT
#13069
^ Hell yeah nice job man!!!! keep it up!!
Today I got my

250x5 Squats
200x5 Bench BW+5 PR
295x5 Deads (still pretty easy) PR

gogogo and I made two pounds of Chicken breast+rice and 3 pounds of Meatloaf!! go me!

Still at 195 for bodyweight since almost a month ago, well actually might be 196. Not much Gain but everything feels better and lifts arnt stalling yet. Ill prob up Calories +500 once i reset once on squats
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
October 25 2011 04:08 GMT
#13070
Two days and I still my legs are extremely sore from squats on Saturday. Never had this before, I can hardly walk, I missed a week of workouts, but regardless.

Tomorrow DL, Biceps, and Back... Gonna be fun ^.^ I'm working hard to get to the 300lb deadlift mark.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
jjhchsc2
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)2393 Posts
October 25 2011 05:21 GMT
#13071
On October 25 2011 09:27 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2011 09:22 Mementoss wrote:
Thanks for the comments guys, but I seem to hear different advice from different people haha. When I started I was squatting too much, maybe now bend the knees a little more, and just try to keep a flatter back, squeeze the glutes at the top? How to keep a flatter back though, I was trying to keep my chest up and out to do this.


1. Your feet are shoulder width apart and slightly toed out.
2. Head up, looking slightly above parallel.
3. Don’t look down! Ground is in peripheral vision only!
4. Accentuate the normal arch of the lumbar curve while pulling the excess arch out of the abs.
5. Keep midsection very tight.
6. Send your butt and your back down.
7. Knees track over the line of the foot.
8. Don’t let knees roll over inside of foot.
9. Keep your weight on your heels as much as possible.
10. STAY OFF THE BALLS OF THE FEET!
11. Delay forward travel of the knees as much as possible.
12. Lift your arms up and out as you descend.
13. Elongated torso.
14. Send hands as far away from butt as possible.
15. In profile, the ear does not move forward during the squat, only straight down.
16. Don’t just sink into the squat, pull yourself down with your hip flexors.
17. Don’t let the lumbar curve surrender as you settle into the bottom.
18. Stop when the fold of the hip is below the crease of the knee. Break parallel with your thighs.
19. Squeeeeeeeze glutes and hammies, rise without any leaning forward or shifting of balance.
20. Return on the exact same path as you descended.
21. Use every bit of musculature you can, no part of the body is left uninvolved.
22. On rising, without moving the feet, exert pressure to the outside of your feet as though you were trying to separate the ground beneath you.
23. At the top of the stroke, stand as tall as possible.


I have seen this multiple times in threads and i think you should put it in the OP or some other thread.
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Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
October 25 2011 07:38 GMT
#13072
I got myself a foam roller this week because I was having some small knee pains, but I've been using it the last 2 days for my (chronic) shoulder injury as well and I can really notice the difference. Feels a lot better and today at the PT I hardly felt any pain with all the movements he made me do. I'm definitely gonna keep this up and hopefully it'll help to get rid of this injury so I can work my chest and shoulders again properly.
Jupiter
Profile Joined November 2009
Australia73 Posts
October 25 2011 11:56 GMT
#13073
Had my 'Light day' today for madcows

Highest set of squats was 137kg x 5 x 2 Which wasn't too bad. My legs have been taking a beating from my sunday (heavy day) top set of 184kg x 5 so Im feeling that at the moment.

Hope I can get 187kg x 5 this coming sunday. I keep thinking every heavy day that I'm never going to get my set but somehow manage to get the reps out (only feeling like I'm about to die right after..)

Overhead - 71kg x 5 (PR)

Deadlift - 180kg x 5 (PR)

Last rep of the deadlift were pretty hard but I pushed through. Hoping to get at least another 2 weeks which would have me around 187kg x 5. Same with OHP 2 more weeks and I'll be around 75kg.
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grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-25 12:11:05
October 25 2011 12:08 GMT
#13074
Last week i was doing 65kg (143lbs) benchpress and i nearly died on my last couple of reps. But yesterday i did 3x7 70kg (154lbs) with pretty much no problem at all. Either i have been too afraid to really push myself or i was eating/sleeping a lot better the last couple of days. I have always been the kind of stubborn fool that thought "bleh.. i can manage without sleep, vitamins, proper diet" but now that i actually see the cause and effect with my own eyes, it really does make a huge difference.

On a sidenote, i'm planning on going back to Japan for ~1month or so in December, will be interesting to see how i manage my diet and exercise during that time. チーズ牛丼の大盛り come at me lol
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Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-25 12:44:20
October 25 2011 12:43 GMT
#13075
Just did first session of crossfit, it's one of the fundamental sessions prior to starting. Did body weight squats for form, deadlifts for form and kettle bell swings for form.

My lower back was fucked for about 10 minutes after finishing, it's perfectly fine now, but it was burning more than it ever has and the guy was checking everyone's form the whole time. I guess I'm either not used to endurance exercise or have been doing squats incorrectly all these years.
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
Orpheos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1663 Posts
October 25 2011 12:50 GMT
#13076
On October 25 2011 06:16 Daigomi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2011 01:05 Raidern wrote:
I notice that some people can lift about the same weight at BP and Squats, while others can Squat almost double the weight they lift at BP. I'm in the first group. Why is that? Bad form? Long history of weak exercising on the legs?

Also, I Injured my right leg (or something related to it) last week Tried a single rep of Squat earlier today to check it out and it hurt pretty bad. Im going to see a doctor this afternoon and check it out, hopefully I can still train upper body no problem, but i'm really disappointed with the setback

It drives me crazy when I go to the gym and there's a huge muscled guy squatting 60kgs, and then not even going parallel. In fact, I think in the last month at the gym, I've only seen about 4 or 5 guys squat more than 100kgs. At the same time, I've only seen 4 or 5 guys bench less than me (60kgs). I think it's just a case of guys caring more about their upper body.
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2011 05:41 Mementoss wrote:
Hey guys I did some dealifts this morning, would you be able to critique them? I think my technique is decent on the 1st and 3rd reps. I think my initial setup from stop is good...But I struggle from top down as seen on my 2nd rep. Any tips or comments would be appreciated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIdii7pU_v8

I'm no expert, but your legs don't seem to be bent nearly enough. It looks like your legs are close to fully straight before the bar lifts from the floor, which means most of the lifting is being done by your back, rather than by your legs.

I found this video very useful for deadlift technique:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syt7A23YnpA


the 5 days ive been to my college gym I have seen a total of one other person squatting. have seen about 5 people deadlifting. the rest of the people are doing inclined, declined or flat bench presses.

all I have to say is FUCK YEAH FRAT BOYS. GET RIPPED. GRRRR
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
October 25 2011 12:59 GMT
#13077
Did my first deaload "workout" yesterday. Benched 60kg x 5 and Squatted the bar for 3sets of 5 along with a ton of mobility stuff and foam rolling.

Felt strangely good and something I prolly needed.
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GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-25 13:04:36
October 25 2011 13:04 GMT
#13078
On October 25 2011 21:50 Orpheos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2011 06:16 Daigomi wrote:
On October 25 2011 01:05 Raidern wrote:
I notice that some people can lift about the same weight at BP and Squats, while others can Squat almost double the weight they lift at BP. I'm in the first group. Why is that? Bad form? Long history of weak exercising on the legs?

Also, I Injured my right leg (or something related to it) last week Tried a single rep of Squat earlier today to check it out and it hurt pretty bad. Im going to see a doctor this afternoon and check it out, hopefully I can still train upper body no problem, but i'm really disappointed with the setback

It drives me crazy when I go to the gym and there's a huge muscled guy squatting 60kgs, and then not even going parallel. In fact, I think in the last month at the gym, I've only seen about 4 or 5 guys squat more than 100kgs. At the same time, I've only seen 4 or 5 guys bench less than me (60kgs). I think it's just a case of guys caring more about their upper body.
On October 25 2011 05:41 Mementoss wrote:
Hey guys I did some dealifts this morning, would you be able to critique them? I think my technique is decent on the 1st and 3rd reps. I think my initial setup from stop is good...But I struggle from top down as seen on my 2nd rep. Any tips or comments would be appreciated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIdii7pU_v8

I'm no expert, but your legs don't seem to be bent nearly enough. It looks like your legs are close to fully straight before the bar lifts from the floor, which means most of the lifting is being done by your back, rather than by your legs.

I found this video very useful for deadlift technique:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syt7A23YnpA


the 5 days ive been to my college gym I have seen a total of one other person squatting. have seen about 5 people deadlifting. the rest of the people are doing inclined, declined or flat bench presses.

all I have to say is FUCK YEAH FRAT BOYS. GET RIPPED. GRRRR


I've never seen anyone deadlift, EVER, and only 2 people squatting decently in 2 years at my gym. Most people don't even bench, just bicep curls and tricep extensions lol.
True Story.
Zafrumi
Profile Joined June 2009
Switzerland1272 Posts
October 25 2011 13:14 GMT
#13079
On October 25 2011 22:04 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2011 21:50 Orpheos wrote:
On October 25 2011 06:16 Daigomi wrote:
On October 25 2011 01:05 Raidern wrote:
I notice that some people can lift about the same weight at BP and Squats, while others can Squat almost double the weight they lift at BP. I'm in the first group. Why is that? Bad form? Long history of weak exercising on the legs?

Also, I Injured my right leg (or something related to it) last week Tried a single rep of Squat earlier today to check it out and it hurt pretty bad. Im going to see a doctor this afternoon and check it out, hopefully I can still train upper body no problem, but i'm really disappointed with the setback

It drives me crazy when I go to the gym and there's a huge muscled guy squatting 60kgs, and then not even going parallel. In fact, I think in the last month at the gym, I've only seen about 4 or 5 guys squat more than 100kgs. At the same time, I've only seen 4 or 5 guys bench less than me (60kgs). I think it's just a case of guys caring more about their upper body.
On October 25 2011 05:41 Mementoss wrote:
Hey guys I did some dealifts this morning, would you be able to critique them? I think my technique is decent on the 1st and 3rd reps. I think my initial setup from stop is good...But I struggle from top down as seen on my 2nd rep. Any tips or comments would be appreciated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIdii7pU_v8

I'm no expert, but your legs don't seem to be bent nearly enough. It looks like your legs are close to fully straight before the bar lifts from the floor, which means most of the lifting is being done by your back, rather than by your legs.

I found this video very useful for deadlift technique:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syt7A23YnpA


the 5 days ive been to my college gym I have seen a total of one other person squatting. have seen about 5 people deadlifting. the rest of the people are doing inclined, declined or flat bench presses.

all I have to say is FUCK YEAH FRAT BOYS. GET RIPPED. GRRRR


I've never seen anyone deadlift, EVER, and only 2 people squatting decently in 2 years at my gym. Most people don't even bench, just bicep curls and tricep extensions lol.
True Story.


I love it when people who are so thin they are basically stick figures do endless curling. gotta train those biceps yo!
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infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
October 25 2011 13:45 GMT
#13080
My school's gym is pretty hardcore. Got quite a few people deadlifting 315+ lbs. Saw some guy squat 450lb once lol
Of course we have our share of bros who don't ever venture to the power rack area but there's a bunch at every gym.
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