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Advocado
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Denmark994 Posts
September 15 2011 13:24 GMT
#11701
hahahah omfg the Daily Show is the greatest.
http://www.twitch.tv/advocadosc2
emjaytron
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia544 Posts
September 15 2011 14:05 GMT
#11702
On September 15 2011 21:56 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2011 21:37 eshlow wrote:
On September 15 2011 21:31 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
On September 15 2011 21:08 eshlow wrote:
On September 15 2011 16:13 Sneakyz wrote:
On September 15 2011 09:39 eshlow wrote:
On September 15 2011 02:12 Sneakyz wrote:
@eshlow (Or anyone else with knowledge about injuries ofcourse )

My dad has been having some pain in his arm now for quite a while and I figured I might ask you. Although It's probably pretty hard to describe someone elses injury I'll do my best.

[image loading]

It's his right arm and he's right handed if that matters. At first the pain was mainly in what seems to be the Brachialis, but has now gotten worse and continued down what I think is the Brachioradialis, all the way down to the wrist.

He was working out for about a month with the pain but then it got too bad so he quit. The exercises that seemed to hurt the most, meaning pain was so bad he couldn't really do them at all, were generally the ones with arms out the sides. For example dumbbell shoulder press, side raises, bench press or flyes.

I would think this is an old injury since he's 60, and starting to lift just made it noticeable. Right now he also gets the pain whenever he move his hand, in addition to arms out the sides. And since you pretty much move your hand all the time I guess you could say this is pretty much chronic, since he stopped working out like 1.5-2 months ago.

He went to a more general doctor who basically said he should go to a physical therapist because WHY NOT. My dad didn't fancy that so he pretty much told them to fuck off since they won't even try to identify the problem, just want to get rid of him I'd guess.

I know you probably can't help much with so limited information, so if you could tell me more specifically what you would need to know so I can ask him that would be great.
Thanks


First off, you should never go to a general doctor for an orthopedic injury. You should go to an orthopedic doctor.

Second off, the general doctor actually gave you the correct information which is to say see a physical therapist (because the general doctor does not have the muscloskeletal expertise to correctly figure out what is wrong in most cases). So I'm not sure why your dad got mad at them for doing the right thing.

Third, there is not enough information above to know if it's a muscle problem or nerve problem or whatever else. Hence, I would suggest seeing a physical therapist.

If you would like to try to provide more information you may try. But I still highly recommend seeing a physical therapist (or orthopedic doc).

+ Show Spoiler +
1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts.

2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion.
http://www.exrx.net/Articulations/Shoulder.html

3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp?

4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room.

5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~4 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury?

6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long?

7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it.

8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes?

9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities?

10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling?

11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day?

12. Any previous injury history?

13. How's your posture?

14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports?

15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help?

I think we might have different definitions of physical therapists, the type of PT they want him to see is someone who deals with rehab and stuff like that. They don't actually try to figure out what's wrong, they just give you some light excercises and see if they help.

That said, I guess I'll try to find an orthopedic doctor. Thanks


I'm not sure how PTs operate in sweden.

Here they go through musculoskeletal and neuromuscular screening/testing/etc. to figure out what is wrong REGARDLESS of whether the prescription handed down to them says whatever because there is the possibility for it to be incorrect.

After that is given various modalities to help correct problems if something is wrong.

I don't think there's a significant difference between PTs of various countries so I think you have it a bit wrong. But I'm not 100% sure about that.

If you don't trust PT to help then you're in trouble though because that's probably where the ortho will send you if it's an issue that is solved by PT.


This isn't really related to health and fitness, but what exactly is the requirement to become a physical therapist? Is it a type of MD? I'm quite curious about this because I'm considering going into medicine in the distant future.


In the US most programs are doctorate level now (3 yrs year round) after you get your bachelors from college.

It's its own field... DPT... but obviously depending on where you work you'll be interacting with a lot of medical professionals -- MD, PAs, nurses, OTs, etc.


Thanks for the information. This will all still be quite a ways into the future for me as it is, and I'm not sure I'm willing to go to grad school again, but I'm interested in the topic a lot.

Also, The Daily Show did a special on Planet Fitness:



Hey I am currently studying physiotherapy in Australia ('physical therapy' in a lot of places). For us it is either a 4 year bachelor degree straight out of high school but you need similar grades to medicine to get in, or what I am doing, which is completing an undergraduate degree of a minimum 3 years in a health/exercise science field (mine was 3.5 years exercise science bachelor degree), then do a 2 year postgraduate masters program.

It is very different from being a doctor, there is still a very strong focus on anatomy and physiology and clinical diagnosis, but we tend to treat mainly disorders of the nervous system or musculoskeletal system
Grubby - SaSe - Oz - Hero
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-15 14:16:05
September 15 2011 14:07 GMT
#11703
On September 15 2011 20:58 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2011 20:37 Cambium wrote:
Gym success, chalk + powerclean = no problems.

So I'm on my 3rd session for Madcow, and it was incredibly difficult. I substituted powercleans for rows (because pcs are fucking awesome), and the quantity really overwhelms me, since I'm used to doing pcs in sets of 3s, instead of 5s (and the last set for today was 8!!).

I think I might end up breaking up the sets of fives into two sets of threes?

Has anyone done Madcow?


With powercleans, I would definitely recommend lower reps ... they're a highly technical exercise, and only Crossfitters do them in high reps (which should tell you a lot right there). I honestly have never seen an Olympic weightlifter do more than a triple clean or snatch.

Maybe Dimsum could give you a better answer. I honestly focus on singles and sometimes doubles for cleans and snatches. I think Decaf and Dimsum do the same.

Also, Mr. O is coming! I know we aren't exactly big on bodybuilding around here, but I have to admit: Cutler is looking really good. He doesn't have the HGH gut and looks kind of like the Incredible Hulk right now.

+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]


Yea, it was ridiculously difficult to PC even 60kg (max slightly under 80kg/175lb 3 reps for me) for 5 consecutive reps. I'm too used to doing them in 3s.

The Madcow program calls for 5x, but I think I'm just going to break it down to 3x followed by 2x; and for the 8x, I think I'll do 4-2-2.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-15 14:12:36
September 15 2011 14:11 GMT
#11704
Actually, Madcow is essentially just Billy Starr with rows instead of PC and DL instead of high pulls.

http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/Bill_Starr_5x5#The_Bill_Starr_Power_Routine

The original program actually calls for 5x5 of PCs... So I think I'll just stick with it, but with lower weights.

Also, no 8 reps of PCs at the end of 4x5 and 1x3 on medium day
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Tulius
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil52 Posts
September 15 2011 14:15 GMT
#11705
On September 15 2011 12:30 Guaska wrote:
I can't finish my post and not complain about people at my gym. I really get and urge to roar at any moron that says something along the lines of "72kg is to heavy for you to squat at your size". I ignore them, but i really want to scream "BITCH, that ain't even a work set, i'm just warming up over here". It's really weird, very few people squat, the one who do, use the dreaded smith machine, don,t go anywhere near paralel and have been squatting the exact same weight since i started there. I'm also the only one who does deadlifts and powercleans, so i had to learn to draw power from the weird looks i get.

That was i long one, i hope by posting i can get even more motivated.


Welcome fellow countryman!

Great progress there for 3 months in SS. I started earlier than you, using more weight but didn't progress as fast, probably due to eating far less than I should have.

On your rant, I totally agree with you. Here where I live no one ever heard of SS (even the gym instructors) and give me weird looks whenever I squat, deadlift and powerclean. Everyone is doing those bodybuilding split "brograms" and you can't even find a proper squat rack

But if that's the price you pay for being awesome, so be it! :D

keep it up yo!
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
September 15 2011 14:51 GMT
#11706
Welcome to all the newcomers!

Stay consistent. You will lose some individual battles but in the long run you win the war.
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-15 15:26:02
September 15 2011 15:24 GMT
#11707
hahaha That video was hilarious. I need to visit iron sport gym sometime.

@rosa and cambium, I actually dont like high rep (5+)power cleans. Some programs actually have it, which I would just follow.
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
September 15 2011 15:37 GMT
#11708
On September 15 2011 23:07 Cambium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2011 20:58 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
On September 15 2011 20:37 Cambium wrote:
Gym success, chalk + powerclean = no problems.

So I'm on my 3rd session for Madcow, and it was incredibly difficult. I substituted powercleans for rows (because pcs are fucking awesome), and the quantity really overwhelms me, since I'm used to doing pcs in sets of 3s, instead of 5s (and the last set for today was 8!!).

I think I might end up breaking up the sets of fives into two sets of threes?

Has anyone done Madcow?


With powercleans, I would definitely recommend lower reps ... they're a highly technical exercise, and only Crossfitters do them in high reps (which should tell you a lot right there). I honestly have never seen an Olympic weightlifter do more than a triple clean or snatch.

Maybe Dimsum could give you a better answer. I honestly focus on singles and sometimes doubles for cleans and snatches. I think Decaf and Dimsum do the same.

Also, Mr. O is coming! I know we aren't exactly big on bodybuilding around here, but I have to admit: Cutler is looking really good. He doesn't have the HGH gut and looks kind of like the Incredible Hulk right now.

+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]


Yea, it was ridiculously difficult to PC even 60kg (max slightly under 80kg/175lb 3 reps for me) for 5 consecutive reps. I'm too used to doing them in 3s.

The Madcow program calls for 5x, but I think I'm just going to break it down to 3x followed by 2x; and for the 8x, I think I'll do 4-2-2.


My max atm is 74kg for a triple, but I've done 65kgx5-6 before warming up. It just feels effortless to me... then again, my pc comes after I do deads, or an extensive warmup. Still, I wonder if its just a personal difference, or if there's something in the technique, or what it is...
Vanger
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany10 Posts
September 15 2011 16:22 GMT
#11709
Whats up TL Health and Fitness Initiative?

Another long time lurker here.

Nick: Vanger
Age: 23 || Height: 188cm || Weight: 85kg
Goal Date: 01/01/12
Weight goals -- Getting lean mass
Training goals -- C&J 100kg, Snatch 70kg, Bench 85kg (low priority)

Best lifts: C&J: 85kg, Snatch: 60kg (bad form), Bench: 75kg x5, OHP 57,5 x5, Squat 120kg

I have been training for ~16 months now and recently started Olympic lifting at a local club.
However I have a problem.
I got quad tendonitis (i think) because of apparently too much volume and bad beginner OL technique.
Ofc i was training through it like an idiot until it started to hurt bad :/

Now after 6 weeks of pausing I was getting back into it really slowly, but my knees are starting to hurt again. They never hurt during the workout only the day after, which i find very strange. Also they hurt kinda different than they did before I had my 2 month rest. Its more "inside" the knee.
Any advice on this would be greatly appreciated! I already am foam rolling/fish oiling/ light stretching

Also I want to express how great this thread is! I was already doing fitness when i discovered this thread, but you guys have really inspired me to try out OLifting. And so far its been super fun except for the hurting knees part.
ffadicted
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3545 Posts
September 15 2011 16:39 GMT
#11710
Just dropping in to ask a question.
For about a week or so now, both my forearms have been giving this small pain (almost feels like a pain in the bone, even though I'm sure it's not) in the pinky side when I workout. I didn't pay much attention to it, lowered my weights and expected it to go away.

Unfortunately, it's gotten really worse this week. I've now been off weight lifting for a week and it seems like each day it's only getting worse, to the point where today it's hurting even when I tried to lift my laptop bag. I've googled around a bit and most just say take time off weights and take an anti-inflammatory, but doing this has lead to no success.

Has anyone ever suffered from something similar to this? If so, what did you do to get over it? I'm going crazy hereee
SooYoung-Noona!
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-15 16:41:52
September 15 2011 16:41 GMT
#11711
welcome vanger! Germany has a awesome weightlifting league . Do you know a way to watch their competitions? Post some videos of your form, maybe I can spot something.

Just found this gem: Incredible fight!


also some duck walking LOL
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
Vanger
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany10 Posts
September 15 2011 17:07 GMT
#11712
On September 16 2011 01:41 AoN.DimSum wrote:
welcome vanger! Germany has a awesome weightlifting league . Do you know a way to watch their competitions? Post some videos of your form, maybe I can spot something.

Just found this gem: Incredible fight!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIjdYmA4BoQ&feature=feedf

also some duck walking LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpqHtw_E02A&



Truly incredible. He dumps his weight in front with his last strength. But he really should have kept breathing

I don't know much about the German weightlifting league to be honest. OL is not very popular in Germany. But you can find some videos on youtube if you enter "gewichtheben bundesliga".

I will try to record some attempts of mine next week or so.
inimenesc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Estonia374 Posts
September 15 2011 17:59 GMT
#11713
Holy crap, today i have no words

SS failing on benchpress and after that 1.5h of basketball training...

dead RIP
"When game is going full retard, you can only go with it. If you start going against it, if you start going half retard, you´re fucking done for." -n0tail 2014
BouBou.865
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands814 Posts
September 15 2011 18:23 GMT
#11714
On September 16 2011 02:59 inimenesc wrote:
Holy crap, today i have no words

SS failing on benchpress and after that 1.5h of basketball training...

dead RIP

Imi, what are your current lifts? I've been eating so well lately I think I'm closing in on ya
Playing League of Legends. IGN: Plain Skill
inimenesc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Estonia374 Posts
September 15 2011 18:49 GMT
#11715
I am failing on my lifts more because of basketball, it isnt that easy to continue gaining.

My squat deloaded to 50kg only, because i realised i didnt go low enought and now go atg.
bench failed on 4th set of 60kg
powercleans 52.5kg 3-3-3-3-3

basketball takes away from my lift increase, but playing basketball is funfunfun.

Serbia vs Russia today , i aint infavour of either.
"When game is going full retard, you can only go with it. If you start going against it, if you start going half retard, you´re fucking done for." -n0tail 2014
Earll
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Norway847 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-15 19:52:13
September 15 2011 19:27 GMT
#11716
Question, I just visited the team liquid crying thread and watched all the videos. Will crying make me less manly and therefor reduce my muscles\benefit from weight lifting?

Edit: on a more serious note think i have reached a diet\eating plan that i am reasonably happy with which has me more covered than what i used to eat, it is basically something like this, assuming no outside interference:

400g of minced meat (484 kcal, 76 g protein, 20g fat)
5 banans (dont really know, figuring 500 kcals?)
2 cans of pineapple (228~kcals, 56 g carbs ~)
2 cucumbers and 1 pepper (no idea can't be much kcals though)
1 skyr yoghurt type thing ( 19g protein, no\little fat, 23 g carbs, 175 kcals)
and last but not least 2.5 litre whole milk ( 1650 kcals, 87,5g protein, 115g carbs, 97,5 g fat)

All in all totaling 3037 Kcal, 182g protein, 118g fat, 195g carbs. (and then whatever is in the bananas\vegetables.)

hmm. I am getting in a good amount of protein at least, a lot of carbs too though? B(

and last but not least having my 2nd B day tomorrow, gunning for 55kg squat (the last squat I had of 50kg was arguably the easiest one, so hoping i will be able to do 50kg since ive been eating like a mofo after last work outs, so hopefully lots of squat muscles have grown.) And i'll see what I can get done with the OHP and power clean, will hopefully find an anti blister grip tomorrow at least.
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Mithrandir
Profile Joined March 2011
United States99 Posts
September 15 2011 19:55 GMT
#11717
On September 16 2011 04:27 Earll wrote:
Question, I just visited the team liquid crying thread and watched all the videos. Will crying make me less manly and therefor reduce my muscles\benefit from weight lifting?

Edit: on a more serious note think i have reached a diet\eating plan that i am reasonably happy with which has me more covered than what i used to eat, it is basically something like this, assuming no outside interference:

400g of minced meat (484 kcal, 76 g protein, 20g fat)
5 banans (dont really know, figuring 500 kcals?)
2 cans of pineapple (228~kcals, 56 g carbs ~)
2 cucumbers and 1 pepper (no idea can't be much kcals though)
1 skyr yoghurt type thing ( 19g protein, no\little fat, 23 g carbs, 175 kcals)
and last but not least 2.5 litre whole milk ( 1650 kcals, 87,5g protein, 115g carbs, 97,5 g fat)

All in all totaling 3037 Kcal, 182g protein, 118g fat, 195g carbs. (and then whatever is in the bananas\vegetables.)

hmm. I am getting in a good amount of protein at least, a lot of carbs too though? B(

and last but not least having my 2nd B day tomorrow, gunning for 55kg squat (the last squat I had of 50kg was arguably the easiest one, so hoping i will be able to do 50kg since ive been eating like a mofo after last work outs, so hopefully lots of squat muscles have grown.) And i'll see what I can get done with the OHP and power clean, will hopefully find an anti blister grip tomorrow at least.


Why would a lot of carbs be a problem? Are you worried about getting fat? You're having a goddamn gallon of whole milk... Maybe you should look at that, not the fruit.
Alventenie
Profile Joined July 2007
United States2147 Posts
September 15 2011 19:59 GMT
#11718
So i just had an awesome 7 hour flight across country. I sat next to this lady from NC that brought her lunch with her. She brought almonds sweet potatoes and eggs! We got to talking and come to find out she's been doing paleo for 3 years and is a big proponent of eating healthy, working out. And she does fitness modelling with her husband. It really made my day to have someone in person to talk to about paleo because none of my friends eat that way.
Ingenol
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1328 Posts
September 15 2011 20:03 GMT
#11719
On September 16 2011 04:27 Earll wrote:
Question, I just visited the team liquid crying thread and watched all the videos. Will crying make me less manly and therefor reduce my muscles\benefit from weight lifting?

Edit: on a more serious note think i have reached a diet\eating plan that i am reasonably happy with which has me more covered than what i used to eat, it is basically something like this, assuming no outside interference:

400g of minced meat (484 kcal, 76 g protein, 20g fat)
5 banans (dont really know, figuring 500 kcals?)
2 cans of pineapple (228~kcals, 56 g carbs ~)
2 cucumbers and 1 pepper (no idea can't be much kcals though)
1 skyr yoghurt type thing ( 19g protein, no\little fat, 23 g carbs, 175 kcals)
and last but not least 2.5 litre whole milk ( 1650 kcals, 87,5g protein, 115g carbs, 97,5 g fat)

All in all totaling 3037 Kcal, 182g protein, 118g fat, 195g carbs. (and then whatever is in the bananas\vegetables.)

hmm. I am getting in a good amount of protein at least, a lot of carbs too though? B(

and last but not least having my 2nd B day tomorrow, gunning for 55kg squat (the last squat I had of 50kg was arguably the easiest one, so hoping i will be able to do 50kg since ive been eating like a mofo after last work outs, so hopefully lots of squat muscles have grown.) And i'll see what I can get done with the OHP and power clean, will hopefully find an anti blister grip tomorrow at least.

That is a lot of fructose from the bananas and pineapples. I would cut back on the fruit and substitute in sweet potatoes instead.
Earll
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Norway847 Posts
September 15 2011 20:05 GMT
#11720
On September 16 2011 04:55 Mithrandir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2011 04:27 Earll wrote:
Question, I just visited the team liquid crying thread and watched all the videos. Will crying make me less manly and therefor reduce my muscles\benefit from weight lifting?

Edit: on a more serious note think i have reached a diet\eating plan that i am reasonably happy with which has me more covered than what i used to eat, it is basically something like this, assuming no outside interference:

400g of minced meat (484 kcal, 76 g protein, 20g fat)
5 banans (dont really know, figuring 500 kcals?)
2 cans of pineapple (228~kcals, 56 g carbs ~)
2 cucumbers and 1 pepper (no idea can't be much kcals though)
1 skyr yoghurt type thing ( 19g protein, no\little fat, 23 g carbs, 175 kcals)
and last but not least 2.5 litre whole milk ( 1650 kcals, 87,5g protein, 115g carbs, 97,5 g fat)

All in all totaling 3037 Kcal, 182g protein, 118g fat, 195g carbs. (and then whatever is in the bananas\vegetables.)

hmm. I am getting in a good amount of protein at least, a lot of carbs too though? B(

and last but not least having my 2nd B day tomorrow, gunning for 55kg squat (the last squat I had of 50kg was arguably the easiest one, so hoping i will be able to do 50kg since ive been eating like a mofo after last work outs, so hopefully lots of squat muscles have grown.) And i'll see what I can get done with the OHP and power clean, will hopefully find an anti blister grip tomorrow at least.


Why would a lot of carbs be a problem? Are you worried about getting fat? You're having a goddamn gallon of whole milk... Maybe you should look at that, not the fruit.


I am not looking at the fruit or the milk, just in general I have been lead to believe that if i weree to want to lose (not gain?) body fat percentage, carbs is the thing I want to cut out (more so than fat\proteins at least). Cutting out the milk and still get my kcal up seems like it would be pretty hard though. hmm.
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