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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51462 Posts
September 15 2011 05:40 GMT
#11681
Nick: GTR
Age: 19 || Height: Aprox 170cm || Weight: Aprox 50kg
Starting Date: 16/09/2011 || Goal Date: 01/01/12
Weight goals -- Just getting myself to an acceptable BMI and getting rid of my thinness.
Training goals -- Working out at home at least twice a week. Will be jogging with a friend every Friday so that deals cardio.
Misc goals -- Since I don't have my own car and the nearest gym is quite a bit away, I'm wondering what the best ways are of working out at home. All I have is 3 sets of dumbbells at 3, 4 and 5kg respectively. I'll probably be just grinding x-up's and curls.
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decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20022 Posts
September 15 2011 06:04 GMT
#11682
On September 15 2011 12:30 Guaska wrote:
First, a little background:
I've been lurking on TLHF since february, never felt the need to actually post, but i told myself i would after i reached some level of progress i saw as reasonable.

At first, i was reading only out of curiosity and boredom at work, but i started to get motivated by you guys, so i decided to lose some weight when my family was away, just to show them that i wasn`t leaner because i didn't want to be. It worked really well, i did sprinting and a low carb paleo diet for something like 10 days, and the results spoke for themselves when people looked at me surprised.

The next months, i started boxing again, lost some more weight, while trying to eat healthier than usual (it's not easy to go paleo when you live with your parents). But after a while i got tired of that, mainly because i had no real boxing buddies, the ones training at the same time i as me were either total begginers, or way more advanced than me, both cases made sparring not that fun.

Wich leads me to june, when i decided "fuck this shit, i'll try this SS i've been reading so much about".

So, here are my starting stats:

Nick: Guaska
Age: 20 / Height: 1,70m / Weight: 72kg
Sarting date: 08/06/2011 (sorry, i'll be using dates the way they make sense, day/month/year)
Squat - 38 kg
Bench - 46 kg
Deadlift - 42 kg
OHP - 32 kg
Powerclean - 32 kg

Now, my current stats, after around 3 months on SS as of 14/09/2011, and goals to 01/12/2011

Weight: 76 kg (at around 20% bf) -> 78 kg
Squat: 104 kg -> 126 kg
Bench: 74 kg -> 85 kg
Deadlift: 120kg -> 150 kg
OHP: 50 kg -> 60 kg
Powerclean: 66kg -> 76 kg
Chinups/Pullups (+10kg): 9-8-6 -> (+15 kg) -> 10-10-10

I decided to add chins/pulls at the end of every workout because i really like them, and only see people speaking well of them.

Recently i started taking fish oil, and my new job makes me stay out in the sun a lot, so i don't think i need to suplement on vitamin D. I try to eat as close to paleo as i can, no bread, close to no grains. The problem is my dad loves to make pasta, and i can't refuse his cooking very often. I've also been doing 1/2 GOMAD, for purposes of fullfiling my extra kcal/day.


I can't finish my post and not complain about people at my gym. I really get and urge to roar at any moron that says something along the lines of "72kg is to heavy for you to squat at your size". I ignore them, but i really want to scream "BITCH, that ain't even a work set, i'm just warming up over here". It's really weird, very few people squat, the one who do, use the dreaded smith machine, don,t go anywhere near paralel and have been squatting the exact same weight since i started there. I'm also the only one who does deadlifts and powercleans, so i had to learn to draw power from the weird looks i get.

That was i long one, i hope by posting i can get even more motivated.


Phenomenal gains bud. You almost tripled some of your lifts!
Glad i workout mostly at high schools/private places, if someone tried to fucking tell me how to squat/clean/etc i would probably lose my shit on them.
(p.s. watched a strikeforce fight recently, the guy whos preview had him squatting in a smith machine lost )
On September 15 2011 14:40 GTR wrote:
Nick: GTR
Age: 19 || Height: Aprox 170cm || Weight: Aprox 50kg
Starting Date: 16/09/2011 || Goal Date: 01/01/12
Weight goals -- Just getting myself to an acceptable BMI and getting rid of my thinness.
Training goals -- Working out at home at least twice a week. Will be jogging with a friend every Friday so that deals cardio.
Misc goals -- Since I don't have my own car and the nearest gym is quite a bit away, I'm wondering what the best ways are of working out at home. All I have is 3 sets of dumbbells at 3, 4 and 5kg respectively. I'll probably be just grinding x-up's and curls.


BMI is downright silly (bf% is a much better thing to go by, my BMI says i'm borderline obese). Also, being 50kg is silly gtr, time to bulk up. If you don't have access to a gym, check out the bodyweight workouts in the OP as they will probably be much better for you than what you're currently doing. I dont know what you're living situation is, but encourage your parents to buy more food and EAT EVERYTHING YOU SEE. Literally eat 2-3x what you're eating now.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-15 06:15:18
September 15 2011 06:15 GMT
#11683
did some full snatches from the hang today!
It was pretty awesome
ShadowDrgn
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2497 Posts
September 15 2011 06:22 GMT
#11684
On September 15 2011 12:48 Velocirapture wrote:
It is crazy to me that non-trainer gym goers critique people while they are working out. At my gym I have never seen this even when somebody is basically just hurting themselves


I had one of the trainers today tell me not to touch the bar to my chest when benching. He meant well, but I'm not a powerlifter trying to cheat the range of motion by a few inches in order to lift more weight.

I've also been told that I squat too low and I'm going to blow out my knees. Hardly anyone at the gym even squats, and the ones that do are quarter squatting less than their bodyweight. On the other hand, one guy told me I have the best squat form at the gym this week, and I turn a lot of heads when I squat (I can see people in the stupid mirrors).
Of course, you only live one life, and you make all your mistakes, and learn what not to do, and that’s the end of you.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20022 Posts
September 15 2011 06:25 GMT
#11685
Ahhhhh cant wait for the competition in 3 days. Hopefully beast mode engages and i can rip a 269kg total off the ground to qualify for the US Open.

On September 15 2011 15:15 thedeadhaji wrote:
did some full snatches from the hang today!
It was pretty awesome


Full snatches are performed off the floor, you performed hang snatches :-p I like to warm up with them (usually from the high hang) to get the feel for jumping under the bar. Vids??

On September 15 2011 15:22 ShadowDrgn wrote:
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On September 15 2011 12:48 Velocirapture wrote:
It is crazy to me that non-trainer gym goers critique people while they are working out. At my gym I have never seen this even when somebody is basically just hurting themselves


I had one of the trainers today tell me not to touch the bar to my chest when benching. He meant well, but I'm not a powerlifter trying to cheat the range of motion by a few inches in order to lift more weight.

I've also been told that I squat too low and I'm going to blow out my knees. Hardly anyone at the gym even squats, and the ones that do are quarter squatting less than their bodyweight. On the other hand, one guy told me I have the best squat form at the gym this week, and I turn a lot of heads when I squat (I can see people in the stupid mirrors).


Tell that dumbass to hold your dick while you piss excellence all over the gym. Deep squats ftw.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
September 15 2011 07:00 GMT
#11686
Finally GTR!! Somebody with ht/weight somewhere around where I am so we can work together. Although I have a tiny frame, weigh a bit more, and am a bit shorter

Progress should come real quick to begin with.

And eat.
Sneakyz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2361 Posts
September 15 2011 07:13 GMT
#11687
On September 15 2011 09:39 eshlow wrote:
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On September 15 2011 02:12 Sneakyz wrote:
@eshlow (Or anyone else with knowledge about injuries ofcourse )

My dad has been having some pain in his arm now for quite a while and I figured I might ask you. Although It's probably pretty hard to describe someone elses injury I'll do my best.

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It's his right arm and he's right handed if that matters. At first the pain was mainly in what seems to be the Brachialis, but has now gotten worse and continued down what I think is the Brachioradialis, all the way down to the wrist.

He was working out for about a month with the pain but then it got too bad so he quit. The exercises that seemed to hurt the most, meaning pain was so bad he couldn't really do them at all, were generally the ones with arms out the sides. For example dumbbell shoulder press, side raises, bench press or flyes.

I would think this is an old injury since he's 60, and starting to lift just made it noticeable. Right now he also gets the pain whenever he move his hand, in addition to arms out the sides. And since you pretty much move your hand all the time I guess you could say this is pretty much chronic, since he stopped working out like 1.5-2 months ago.

He went to a more general doctor who basically said he should go to a physical therapist because WHY NOT. My dad didn't fancy that so he pretty much told them to fuck off since they won't even try to identify the problem, just want to get rid of him I'd guess.

I know you probably can't help much with so limited information, so if you could tell me more specifically what you would need to know so I can ask him that would be great.
Thanks


First off, you should never go to a general doctor for an orthopedic injury. You should go to an orthopedic doctor.

Second off, the general doctor actually gave you the correct information which is to say see a physical therapist (because the general doctor does not have the muscloskeletal expertise to correctly figure out what is wrong in most cases). So I'm not sure why your dad got mad at them for doing the right thing.

Third, there is not enough information above to know if it's a muscle problem or nerve problem or whatever else. Hence, I would suggest seeing a physical therapist.

If you would like to try to provide more information you may try. But I still highly recommend seeing a physical therapist (or orthopedic doc).

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1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts.

2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion.
http://www.exrx.net/Articulations/Shoulder.html

3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp?

4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room.

5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~4 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury?

6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long?

7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it.

8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes?

9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities?

10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling?

11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day?

12. Any previous injury history?

13. How's your posture?

14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports?

15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help?

I think we might have different definitions of physical therapists, the type of PT they want him to see is someone who deals with rehab and stuff like that. They don't actually try to figure out what's wrong, they just give you some light excercises and see if they help.

That said, I guess I'll try to find an orthopedic doctor. Thanks
I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds.
Zafrumi
Profile Joined June 2009
Switzerland1272 Posts
September 15 2011 07:31 GMT
#11688
On September 15 2011 12:45 Orpheos wrote:
So Ive been on the overweight side since highschool. Finally this summer I gained 20 pounds to 220 and with interviews for real jobs coming up I decided I needed a change. Cut my carbs(precious precious rice >_<) and started running HIIT daily as well as a bunch of push-ups every other day.

diet is
an egg and 8oz coffee in the morning
salad with lean chicken and minimal balsamic for lunch
either ground beef or chicken breast and random vegetables for dinner

I have to say I am pleasantly surprised how much my appetite has decreased. its hasnt been hard at all the keep the diet up. although I do get cravings on the weekends when Im just sitting around.

all in all Ive dropped 15 pounds in 2 weeks, although I think thats just the easy stuff that I put on recently. My long term goal is like 170-180, but not in a terrible rush tbh. Im just surprised how easy it was to make a change.


fantastic work! see, if the will is there, losing weight is easy. good luck with your diet

On September 15 2011 12:48 Velocirapture wrote:
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On September 15 2011 12:30 Guaska wrote:
First, a little background:
I've been lurking on TLHF since february, never felt the need to actually post, but i told myself i would after i reached some level of progress i saw as reasonable.

At first, i was reading only out of curiosity and boredom at work, but i started to get motivated by you guys, so i decided to lose some weight when my family was away, just to show them that i wasn`t leaner because i didn't want to be. It worked really well, i did sprinting and a low carb paleo diet for something like 10 days, and the results spoke for themselves when people looked at me surprised.

The next months, i started boxing again, lost some more weight, while trying to eat healthier than usual (it's not easy to go paleo when you live with your parents). But after a while i got tired of that, mainly because i had no real boxing buddies, the ones training at the same time i as me were either total begginers, or way more advanced than me, both cases made sparring not that fun.

Wich leads me to june, when i decided "fuck this shit, i'll try this SS i've been reading so much about".

So, here are my starting stats:

Nick: Guaska
Age: 20 / Height: 1,70m / Weight: 72kg
Sarting date: 08/06/2011 (sorry, i'll be using dates the way they make sense, day/month/year)
Squat - 38 kg
Bench - 46 kg
Deadlift - 42 kg
OHP - 32 kg
Powerclean - 32 kg

Now, my current stats, after around 3 months on SS as of 14/09/2011, and goals to 01/12/2011

Weight: 76 kg (at around 20% bf) -> 78 kg
Squat: 104 kg -> 126 kg
Bench: 74 kg -> 85 kg
Deadlift: 120kg -> 150 kg
OHP: 50 kg -> 60 kg
Powerclean: 66kg -> 76 kg
Chinups/Pullups (+10kg): 9-8-6 -> (+15 kg) -> 10-10-10

I decided to add chins/pulls at the end of every workout because i really like them, and only see people speaking well of them.

Recently i started taking fish oil, and my new job makes me stay out in the sun a lot, so i don't think i need to suplement on vitamin D. I try to eat as close to paleo as i can, no bread, close to no grains. The problem is my dad loves to make pasta, and i can't refuse his cooking very often. I've also been doing 1/2 GOMAD, for purposes of fullfiling my extra kcal/day.


I can't finish my post and not complain about people at my gym. I really get and urge to roar at any moron that says something along the lines of "72kg is to heavy for you to squat at your size". I ignore them, but i really want to scream "BITCH, that ain't even a work set, i'm just warming up over here". It's really weird, very few people squat, the one who do, use the dreaded smith machine, don,t go anywhere near paralel and have been squatting the exact same weight since i started there. I'm also the only one who does deadlifts and powercleans, so i had to learn to draw power from the weird looks i get.

That was i long one, i hope by posting i can get even more motivated.


It is crazy to me that non-trainer gym goers critique people while they are working out. At my gym I have never seen this even when somebody is basically just hurting themselves


I usually keep my mouth shut even though I see some terrible quarter squatting and "power cleaning" (you cant even call it that T_T) in my gym. but when a guy really looks like he is gonna break his back or whatever I try to help.

On September 15 2011 12:30 Guaska wrote:
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First, a little background:
I've been lurking on TLHF since february, never felt the need to actually post, but i told myself i would after i reached some level of progress i saw as reasonable.

At first, i was reading only out of curiosity and boredom at work, but i started to get motivated by you guys, so i decided to lose some weight when my family was away, just to show them that i wasn`t leaner because i didn't want to be. It worked really well, i did sprinting and a low carb paleo diet for something like 10 days, and the results spoke for themselves when people looked at me surprised.

The next months, i started boxing again, lost some more weight, while trying to eat healthier than usual (it's not easy to go paleo when you live with your parents). But after a while i got tired of that, mainly because i had no real boxing buddies, the ones training at the same time i as me were either total begginers, or way more advanced than me, both cases made sparring not that fun.

Wich leads me to june, when i decided "fuck this shit, i'll try this SS i've been reading so much about".

So, here are my starting stats:

Nick: Guaska
Age: 20 / Height: 1,70m / Weight: 72kg
Sarting date: 08/06/2011 (sorry, i'll be using dates the way they make sense, day/month/year)
Squat - 38 kg
Bench - 46 kg
Deadlift - 42 kg
OHP - 32 kg
Powerclean - 32 kg

Now, my current stats, after around 3 months on SS as of 14/09/2011, and goals to 01/12/2011

Weight: 76 kg (at around 20% bf) -> 78 kg
Squat: 104 kg -> 126 kg
Bench: 74 kg -> 85 kg
Deadlift: 120kg -> 150 kg
OHP: 50 kg -> 60 kg
Powerclean: 66kg -> 76 kg
Chinups/Pullups (+10kg): 9-8-6 -> (+15 kg) -> 10-10-10

I decided to add chins/pulls at the end of every workout because i really like them, and only see people speaking well of them.

Recently i started taking fish oil, and my new job makes me stay out in the sun a lot, so i don't think i need to suplement on vitamin D. I try to eat as close to paleo as i can, no bread, close to no grains. The problem is my dad loves to make pasta, and i can't refuse his cooking very often. I've also been doing 1/2 GOMAD, for purposes of fullfiling my extra kcal/day.


I can't finish my post and not complain about people at my gym. I really get and urge to roar at any moron that says something along the lines of "72kg is to heavy for you to squat at your size". I ignore them, but i really want to scream "BITCH, that ain't even a work set, i'm just warming up over here". It's really weird, very few people squat, the one who do, use the dreaded smith machine, don,t go anywhere near paralel and have been squatting the exact same weight since i started there. I'm also the only one who does deadlifts and powercleans, so i had to learn to draw power from the weird looks i get.

That was i long one, i hope by posting i can get even more motivated.


very very impressive numbers. keep it up mate!
some people can be very annoying yesterday when I was doing c&j (and dropping the bar after the jerk, obviously) an old guy starts mumbling something about breaking the equipment to himself. /ignore and let him do his 20 reps on the butterfly machine
"Strong people are harder to kill than weak people and more useful in general" -Mark Rippetoe
Trizz
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands1318 Posts
September 15 2011 08:55 GMT
#11689
Nick: Trizz
Age: 20 || Height: 168-170cm || Weight: 60kg
Starting Date: 15/09/2011 || Goal Date: As long as it takes
Weight goals -- Gain a lot of weight while bulking.
Training goals -- SS 3 times a week. Clean bulk.
Misc goals -- Acquire aeshetics.

R.I.P ZYZZ
nope
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-15 11:37:38
September 15 2011 11:37 GMT
#11690
Gym success, chalk + powerclean = no problems.

So I'm on my 3rd session for Madcow, and it was incredibly difficult. I substituted powercleans for rows (because pcs are fucking awesome), and the quantity really overwhelms me, since I'm used to doing pcs in sets of 3s, instead of 5s (and the last set for today was 8!!).

I think I might end up breaking up the sets of fives into two sets of threes?

Has anyone done Madcow?
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-15 11:45:16
September 15 2011 11:44 GMT
#11691
How do I stop the bar from choking me out when I front squat.It presses against my throat and I start to gag.

Edit: I reckon I could add 50% to my front squat if I could fix that.
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
September 15 2011 11:58 GMT
#11692
On September 15 2011 20:37 Cambium wrote:
Gym success, chalk + powerclean = no problems.

So I'm on my 3rd session for Madcow, and it was incredibly difficult. I substituted powercleans for rows (because pcs are fucking awesome), and the quantity really overwhelms me, since I'm used to doing pcs in sets of 3s, instead of 5s (and the last set for today was 8!!).

I think I might end up breaking up the sets of fives into two sets of threes?

Has anyone done Madcow?


With powercleans, I would definitely recommend lower reps ... they're a highly technical exercise, and only Crossfitters do them in high reps (which should tell you a lot right there). I honestly have never seen an Olympic weightlifter do more than a triple clean or snatch.

Maybe Dimsum could give you a better answer. I honestly focus on singles and sometimes doubles for cleans and snatches. I think Decaf and Dimsum do the same.

Also, Mr. O is coming! I know we aren't exactly big on bodybuilding around here, but I have to admit: Cutler is looking really good. He doesn't have the HGH gut and looks kind of like the Incredible Hulk right now.

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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
September 15 2011 12:06 GMT
#11693
Nice work @Guaska and @Orpheos


On September 15 2011 14:40 GTR wrote:
Nick: GTR
Age: 19 || Height: Aprox 170cm || Weight: Aprox 50kg
Starting Date: 16/09/2011 || Goal Date: 01/01/12
Weight goals -- Just getting myself to an acceptable BMI and getting rid of my thinness.
Training goals -- Working out at home at least twice a week. Will be jogging with a friend every Friday so that deals cardio.
Misc goals -- Since I don't have my own car and the nearest gym is quite a bit away, I'm wondering what the best ways are of working out at home. All I have is 3 sets of dumbbells at 3, 4 and 5kg respectively. I'll probably be just grinding x-up's and curls.


Hmmm, that is troublesome.

I would recommend HIIT sprints rather than cardio if you can though.

For bodyweight stuff definitely work on your ability to squat, and if you can get outside using a tree branch or some chairs work some assisted pullups and dips.

Those are gonnabe your money bodyweight exercises. Skip the pushups and curls and situps and garbage like that.

Also, in the OP is some more bodyweight base strength exercises if you wanna check that out as well.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
topoulo
Profile Joined September 2011
253 Posts
September 15 2011 12:07 GMT
#11694
Heres some Nasa insight on muscle growth

wall of text

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Vincent Caiozzo isn’t a mad scientist. He’s a professor of orthopedic surgery at the University of California at Irvine, who’s been studying muscle for nearly 30 years. The NASA-funded Space Cycle represents the pinnacle of his lifelong research — and, I think, a great investment opportunity. “Exercising in the Space Cycle is like hanging a barbell on every atom of your body,” he tells me. Clearly, it’s infomercial gold.

Only, Caiozzo isn’t concerned with helping men build bigger biceps — his research interest is far less marketable. Like that of almost all muscle scientists, its purpose is to find better ways to prevent the muscle loss that occurs with aging, cancer, spinal injuries, and, in the case of the Space Cycle, interplanetary travel.

But the lessons these researchers learn can still benefit those of us who want to look more buff at the beach. In fact, by using their findings to better understand the biology of muscle, you can build your body faster and more simply than ever. The trick, however, is knowing how to apply the hard science to your primary goal: building hard muscle.

Research Lab

Alwyn Cosgrove doesn’t claim to be a muscle scientist. But, in a sense, he’s become one by default. Since Cosgrove opened his gym, Results Fitness, in 2000, he’s kept a detailed account of every single workout session that’s been conducted there. “Clients pay for the fastest results,” he says. “So to compete with the gym down the street, I had to find out what works best.” And that meant collecting workout data on a large number of ordinary men who were using a variety of training methods.

Unlike commercial health clubs, Cosgrove’s facility — located in Santa Clarita, California — offers only semiprivate training, meaning each workout is designed, monitored, and recorded by a member of the staff. Consider that in a typical week, it hosts 400 workouts, providing feedback on 20,800 sessions a year. To equal those numbers, a regular guy would have to work out every day for 57 years. In effect, that makes Cosgrove’s gym a bona fide research laboratory and his gym-rat clients, it seems, human lab rats.

To explain his real-world findings, he’s tried to bridge the academic research of men like Caiozzo with the practical application of exercises, sets, and repetitions. “A 19th-century English biologist named Thomas Huxley once said that ‘science is nothing but organized common sense,’ ” says Cosgrove, “which is what training should be.”

The end result of Cosgrove’s human experiment is a muscle-building plan that’s not just gym proven, it’s supported by science. And because it shatters nearly 40 years of bodybuilding dogma, it will probably surprise you.

Muscle Science

The biology of muscle isn’t, in fact, rocket science. At its most basic level is the SAID principle, an acronym for “specific adaptation to imposed demand.” “When a muscle contracts against a large amount of resistance, it adapts by getting bigger and stronger,” says Caiozzo. Likewise, if it’s regularly forced to contract for long periods of time, it becomes more resistant to fatigue. These adaptations occur to reduce stress on the body, which is why you can per-form everyday functions — like walking up stairs or picking up a light object — with little effort.

Now let’s apply the SAID principle to your workout. When you lift weights, you cause tiny tears in your muscle fibers. This accelerates a process called muscle-protein synthesis, which uses amino acids to repair and reinforce the fibers, making them resistant to future damage. And although this happens at a microscopic level, the effect becomes visible over time — in the form of bigger arms, broader shoulders, and a thicker chest.

Understanding this process provides you with a logical rationale for how often you should train your muscles. In multiple studies, researchers at the University of Texas Medical Branch in Galveston have reported that muscle-protein synthesis is elevated for up to 48 hours after a resistance-training session. So if you work out on Monday at 7 p.m., your body is in muscle-growth mode until Wednesday at 7 p.m. After 48 hours, though, the biological stimulus for your body to build new muscle returns to normal.

On paper, this supports Cosgrove’s first assertion: “Performing total-body workouts three times a week is the most effective way to gain muscle.” Unfortunately, that advice directly contradicts what most guys actually do. That’s because almost everyone subscribes to a leftover from the Stay Hungry days of weight lifting: what Cosgrove calls “body-part training.”

The idea is to divide the body into specific muscle groups, or body parts, and dedicate an entire session to working each individually. For example, you might perform exercises for your chest on Monday, your back on Tuesday, your shoulders on Wednesday, and so on. Even though you’re training daily, each muscle group is targeted only once a week. So, in essence, those muscles grow for just 2 days out of every 7. With total-body workouts, though, you work each muscle more often. “When you train a muscle three times a week, it spends more total time growing,” says Cosgrove.

Connections

Anatomically speaking, you can’t isolate muscle groups in the first place — which is Cosgrove’s other beef with body-part training. Imagine, for a moment, that you could strip the skin away from your muscles. You’d see clearly that they’re interconnected, surrounding the body like a unified web. This is because all of your muscles are enclosed in a tough connective tissue called fascia. And since fascia attaches to bone and other muscles, it creates “functional” relationships between seemingly separate muscle groups.

“Even a small movement of your upper arm triggers a complicated network of muscles from your shoulder down to your hip,” says Bill Hartman, P.T., C.S.C.S., a physical therapist in Indianapolis. Here’s why: The latissimus dorsi (or lat), the largest muscle of the back, attaches to the upper-arm bone, shoulder blade, spine, and thoracolumbar fascia–a strong layer of connective tissue that attaches muscles to the spine and pelvis. The glutes, or rear hip muscles, attach to the pelvis. See the connections?

Don’t misunderstand: There’s no doubt you can emphasize a muscle group by choosing the appropriate exercise; just don’t confuse targeting with isolating. To illustrate this point, Cosgrove uses the example of a popular exercise known as the bent-over row. If you subscribe to body-part training, it’s a back exercise, since that’s the area of your body it emphasizes. But, because of the interconnection between the muscles and connective tissues of the hips and back, your hamstrings and glutes are contracted for the entire exercise. So you’re not only working your back, you’re challenging your legs as well. And don’t forget the involvement of your forearms and biceps in pulling the bar to your chest. “Separating your workouts by body parts is illogical,” says Cosgrove. “You’re not actually separating anything.”

Also, since body-part training is generally performed intensely on consecutive days, it impedes the recovery process. “The nutrients your body needs to repair muscle damage from the previous day are allocated toward providing energy for your workout instead,” says Jeff Volek, Ph.D., R.D., an exercise-and-nutrition researcher at the University of Connecticut. “Your muscles grow best when your body is resting, not working.” This isn’t an issue with Cosgrove’s total-body recommendation, since there’s a built-in recovery day after each session.

A New Prescription

Bodybuilders argue that total-body training doesn’t allow you to work muscle groups hard enough. For instance, they claim that if a typical chest workout takes 30 minutes or more to complete, you’d have to spend hours in the gym to adequately train your entire body. “That’s based on the assumption that a chest workout needs to take 30 minutes,” says Cosgrove. He goes on to explain that a typical chest day might consist of three sets of four exercises, for a total of 12 sets every 7 days. But Cosgrove says you could do the same amount of work — 12 total sets — in the same time period by performing four sets 3 days a week. “I’ve found that training works like a prescription,” says Cosgrove. “You wouldn’t take an entire bottle of Advil on Monday to relieve pain all week; you’d take smaller doses at regular intervals.”

A study at the University of Alabama supports this notion. The researchers had one group of men train each muscle group once a week for 3 months; another group performed the same number of total sets weekly but split them equally among three total-body workouts. The result? The men who worked each muscle more frequently gained 9 pounds of muscle — 5 more than those who trained each muscle only once a week.

But, to save even more time, Cosgrove employs another strategy: alternating sets. When possible, he pairs exercises that work opposite muscle groups and cuts the rest period between sets in half.

It’s a concept based on the scientific work of Sir Charles Scott Sherrington, who won the Nobel Prize in 1932 for his contributions in physiology and neuroscience. Sherring-ton’s law of reciprocal innervation states that “for every neural activation of a muscle, there is a corresponding inhibition of the opposing muscle.” This means when you work your chest muscles, the opposite back muscles are forced to relax, thereby resting.

So, instead of waiting 2 minutes between sets of bench presses, you can perform one set of the bench press, rest for just 1 minute, and then do a bent-over row. After you finish, you’ll rest again, then repeat the entire process until you complete all sets of both exercises. “In an average workout, this technique saves at least 8 to 10 minutes,” says Cosgrove, “without sacrificing performance.”

There’s another piece to this puzzle, though. In analyzing thousands of work-out logs, Cosgrove developed a volume-threshold theory. “It seems that growth occurs once a muscle has been exposed to 90 to 120 seconds of total tension,” he says.

For example, let’s say it takes 5 seconds to complete one repetition. This means one set of eight repetitions would place your muscles under tension for 40 seconds. So, using Cosgrove’s theory, you’d need to do only three sets — for a total of 120 seconds — to perform enough exercise to stimulate muscle growth. Likewise with four sets of five repetitions or two sets of 12 repetitions.

However, even Cosgrove admits that this is more theory than fact, primarily for one reason: Human studies simply haven’t compared a wide variety of set and repetition ranges or even controlled for the duration of muscle tension. So there’s simply no data to draw from. At least not until you look elsewhere in the animal kingdom.

Researching Muscle Growth

Some men simply gain muscle faster, easier, and to a greater degree than others, which is why we study rats,” says Caiozzo. Compared with humans, rats are a much more homogeneous species, meaning there’s little variation from one to another. This allows scientists to more accurately study the enzymes, metabolic pathways, and genes that regulate muscle growth.

Of course, actual lab rats aren’t gym rats by nature. So, in 1992, Caiozzo developed a rat-size resistance-training apparatus — a device that looks like a high-tech leg-curl machine. However, since they couldn’t simply ask a group of rats to lift weights, there was another step involved.

The researchers permanently implanted a stainless-steel wire in the gastrocnemius muscle of each rat’s hind limb and ran the wire under the skin to the skull, where two small screws had been inserted using a handheld drill. By connecting a wire to the outside of the screws, the scientists were then able to stimulate the muscle manually with an electric current, causing it to contract with maximal force. This allowed them to mimic a human weight-lifting workout.

To test the device, the rats were “encouraged” to perform four sets of 10 repetitions, with each repetition lasting 2 seconds — a total tension time of 80 seconds. The result: The group didn’t increase muscle size in an 8-week period. This meant that either the machine didn’t work or the volume of exercise was too low. So the researchers tweaked the workout. When the contractions were increased to 4 seconds in duration, doubling the total tension time, the rats gained a significant amount of muscle mass — and in just 4 weeks, not 8.

Of course, this doesn’t authoritatively validate Cosgrove’s volume-threshold theory in humans, but it does provide a biological precedent that supports it. And it just may be that some of his data is simply ahead of its time.

Repetition Ranges

“Go heavy or go home” is a common saying among bodybuilders. But, while it’s crucial that you use a weight that provides a challenging load, the mantra is flawed. That’s because muscle fibers can grow in two ways. The first is when the myofibrils — the parts of the fiber that contain the contracting proteins — increase in number and density. This type of growth leads to strength gains and can be accomplished by using heavy weights that allow only one to seven repetitions.

The second type of growth, however, occurs when your muscles are forced to contract for longer periods of time. Typically, this means using lighter loads that allow you to complete 12 to 15 repetitions. This increases the number of energy-producing structures within the fiber. So you don’t get significantly stronger, but you do get bigger.

Using a repetition range that falls between the two causes a combination of both types of growth, but each to a lesser degree. And that’s why Cosgrove uses all three repetition ranges. For instance, he might prescribe five repetitions of each exercise on Monday, 15 on Wednesday, and 10 on Friday. “It not only leads to better growth but also helps keep you from hitting plateaus,” he says.

And indeed, in a 2002 study, Arizona State University researchers discovered that men who alternated their repetition ranges in each of three weekly training sessions gained twice as much strength as men who didn’t vary their repetitions. To Cosgrove, it’s just another case of a logical approach generating a logical result.

Space Cycle

Being in the space cycle is a strange experience. Although my body is nearly parallel to the floor as I exercise, it feels as if I’m upright, and there’s no sensation of spinning — provided, of course, that I don’t violate the sideways rule. (Doing so, by the way, really sucks.) Caiozzo explains that the laws of physics prevent me from falling off, much as if I were on a roller coaster.

He invented the Space Cycle to help remedy one of NASA’s biggest headaches. “Because of the lack of gravity, an astronaut’s muscles waste away quickly,” he says.

As a veteran of four space flights, Commander Bill McArthur knows this reality firsthand. When I spoke to him by phone in early February, he was living on the International Space Station, a 6-month tour of duty 120 miles above Earth’s surface. To stress the physical impact of space travel, he shared this memory from his first mission: “When we landed, I bent over to give my wife a hug, and she had to catch me because the bending wasn’t going to stop,” he says. “That was after just 14 days.” So, in his current detail, McArthur exercises nearly 2 hours a day–using a specially designed resistance-training machine called the IRED–just to try to maintain his muscle. Hardly a time-efficient solution.

Enter the Space Cycle. Because of its ingenious design, the rotating exercise gym creates artificial gravity, up to seven times the normal amount on Earth. Caiozzo believes this not only will prevent muscle loss in space but will stimulate growth–without the need for weights. And in just a few minutes a day, not hours. “There’s no magic,” he says. “It just capitalizes on what we already know about muscle growth.”

Granted, most of us aren’t worried about bulking up on Mars just yet. But the Space Cycle illustrates an important point: The most effective workout isn’t necessarily the longest or the hardest; it’s simply the smartest. And the nearly 18 hours a day every guy spends sitting on his keister while commuting, driving the desk, settling into the couch, and hitting the sack isn’t a bad approximation of weightlessness. So you may have more in common with Commander McArthur than you think.


I could go and put another wall of text for nutrition - even a bigger one -

The best advice i could give to anyone who likes to loose weight is dont eat more than 100 grams of carbs each day and most of it ti be from veggies
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
September 15 2011 12:08 GMT
#11695
On September 15 2011 16:13 Sneakyz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2011 09:39 eshlow wrote:
On September 15 2011 02:12 Sneakyz wrote:
@eshlow (Or anyone else with knowledge about injuries ofcourse )

My dad has been having some pain in his arm now for quite a while and I figured I might ask you. Although It's probably pretty hard to describe someone elses injury I'll do my best.

[image loading]

It's his right arm and he's right handed if that matters. At first the pain was mainly in what seems to be the Brachialis, but has now gotten worse and continued down what I think is the Brachioradialis, all the way down to the wrist.

He was working out for about a month with the pain but then it got too bad so he quit. The exercises that seemed to hurt the most, meaning pain was so bad he couldn't really do them at all, were generally the ones with arms out the sides. For example dumbbell shoulder press, side raises, bench press or flyes.

I would think this is an old injury since he's 60, and starting to lift just made it noticeable. Right now he also gets the pain whenever he move his hand, in addition to arms out the sides. And since you pretty much move your hand all the time I guess you could say this is pretty much chronic, since he stopped working out like 1.5-2 months ago.

He went to a more general doctor who basically said he should go to a physical therapist because WHY NOT. My dad didn't fancy that so he pretty much told them to fuck off since they won't even try to identify the problem, just want to get rid of him I'd guess.

I know you probably can't help much with so limited information, so if you could tell me more specifically what you would need to know so I can ask him that would be great.
Thanks


First off, you should never go to a general doctor for an orthopedic injury. You should go to an orthopedic doctor.

Second off, the general doctor actually gave you the correct information which is to say see a physical therapist (because the general doctor does not have the muscloskeletal expertise to correctly figure out what is wrong in most cases). So I'm not sure why your dad got mad at them for doing the right thing.

Third, there is not enough information above to know if it's a muscle problem or nerve problem or whatever else. Hence, I would suggest seeing a physical therapist.

If you would like to try to provide more information you may try. But I still highly recommend seeing a physical therapist (or orthopedic doc).

+ Show Spoiler +
1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts.

2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion.
http://www.exrx.net/Articulations/Shoulder.html

3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp?

4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room.

5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~4 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury?

6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long?

7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it.

8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes?

9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities?

10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling?

11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day?

12. Any previous injury history?

13. How's your posture?

14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports?

15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help?

I think we might have different definitions of physical therapists, the type of PT they want him to see is someone who deals with rehab and stuff like that. They don't actually try to figure out what's wrong, they just give you some light excercises and see if they help.

That said, I guess I'll try to find an orthopedic doctor. Thanks


I'm not sure how PTs operate in sweden.

Here they go through musculoskeletal and neuromuscular screening/testing/etc. to figure out what is wrong REGARDLESS of whether the prescription handed down to them says whatever because there is the possibility for it to be incorrect.

After that is given various modalities to help correct problems if something is wrong.

I don't think there's a significant difference between PTs of various countries so I think you have it a bit wrong. But I'm not 100% sure about that.

If you don't trust PT to help then you're in trouble though because that's probably where the ortho will send you if it's an issue that is solved by PT.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
September 15 2011 12:31 GMT
#11696
On September 15 2011 21:08 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2011 16:13 Sneakyz wrote:
On September 15 2011 09:39 eshlow wrote:
On September 15 2011 02:12 Sneakyz wrote:
@eshlow (Or anyone else with knowledge about injuries ofcourse )

My dad has been having some pain in his arm now for quite a while and I figured I might ask you. Although It's probably pretty hard to describe someone elses injury I'll do my best.

[image loading]

It's his right arm and he's right handed if that matters. At first the pain was mainly in what seems to be the Brachialis, but has now gotten worse and continued down what I think is the Brachioradialis, all the way down to the wrist.

He was working out for about a month with the pain but then it got too bad so he quit. The exercises that seemed to hurt the most, meaning pain was so bad he couldn't really do them at all, were generally the ones with arms out the sides. For example dumbbell shoulder press, side raises, bench press or flyes.

I would think this is an old injury since he's 60, and starting to lift just made it noticeable. Right now he also gets the pain whenever he move his hand, in addition to arms out the sides. And since you pretty much move your hand all the time I guess you could say this is pretty much chronic, since he stopped working out like 1.5-2 months ago.

He went to a more general doctor who basically said he should go to a physical therapist because WHY NOT. My dad didn't fancy that so he pretty much told them to fuck off since they won't even try to identify the problem, just want to get rid of him I'd guess.

I know you probably can't help much with so limited information, so if you could tell me more specifically what you would need to know so I can ask him that would be great.
Thanks


First off, you should never go to a general doctor for an orthopedic injury. You should go to an orthopedic doctor.

Second off, the general doctor actually gave you the correct information which is to say see a physical therapist (because the general doctor does not have the muscloskeletal expertise to correctly figure out what is wrong in most cases). So I'm not sure why your dad got mad at them for doing the right thing.

Third, there is not enough information above to know if it's a muscle problem or nerve problem or whatever else. Hence, I would suggest seeing a physical therapist.

If you would like to try to provide more information you may try. But I still highly recommend seeing a physical therapist (or orthopedic doc).

+ Show Spoiler +
1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts.

2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion.
http://www.exrx.net/Articulations/Shoulder.html

3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp?

4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room.

5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~4 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury?

6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long?

7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it.

8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes?

9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities?

10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling?

11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day?

12. Any previous injury history?

13. How's your posture?

14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports?

15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help?

I think we might have different definitions of physical therapists, the type of PT they want him to see is someone who deals with rehab and stuff like that. They don't actually try to figure out what's wrong, they just give you some light excercises and see if they help.

That said, I guess I'll try to find an orthopedic doctor. Thanks


I'm not sure how PTs operate in sweden.

Here they go through musculoskeletal and neuromuscular screening/testing/etc. to figure out what is wrong REGARDLESS of whether the prescription handed down to them says whatever because there is the possibility for it to be incorrect.

After that is given various modalities to help correct problems if something is wrong.

I don't think there's a significant difference between PTs of various countries so I think you have it a bit wrong. But I'm not 100% sure about that.

If you don't trust PT to help then you're in trouble though because that's probably where the ortho will send you if it's an issue that is solved by PT.


This isn't really related to health and fitness, but what exactly is the requirement to become a physical therapist? Is it a type of MD? I'm quite curious about this because I'm considering going into medicine in the distant future.
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-15 12:38:39
September 15 2011 12:37 GMT
#11697
On September 15 2011 21:31 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2011 21:08 eshlow wrote:
On September 15 2011 16:13 Sneakyz wrote:
On September 15 2011 09:39 eshlow wrote:
On September 15 2011 02:12 Sneakyz wrote:
@eshlow (Or anyone else with knowledge about injuries ofcourse )

My dad has been having some pain in his arm now for quite a while and I figured I might ask you. Although It's probably pretty hard to describe someone elses injury I'll do my best.

[image loading]

It's his right arm and he's right handed if that matters. At first the pain was mainly in what seems to be the Brachialis, but has now gotten worse and continued down what I think is the Brachioradialis, all the way down to the wrist.

He was working out for about a month with the pain but then it got too bad so he quit. The exercises that seemed to hurt the most, meaning pain was so bad he couldn't really do them at all, were generally the ones with arms out the sides. For example dumbbell shoulder press, side raises, bench press or flyes.

I would think this is an old injury since he's 60, and starting to lift just made it noticeable. Right now he also gets the pain whenever he move his hand, in addition to arms out the sides. And since you pretty much move your hand all the time I guess you could say this is pretty much chronic, since he stopped working out like 1.5-2 months ago.

He went to a more general doctor who basically said he should go to a physical therapist because WHY NOT. My dad didn't fancy that so he pretty much told them to fuck off since they won't even try to identify the problem, just want to get rid of him I'd guess.

I know you probably can't help much with so limited information, so if you could tell me more specifically what you would need to know so I can ask him that would be great.
Thanks


First off, you should never go to a general doctor for an orthopedic injury. You should go to an orthopedic doctor.

Second off, the general doctor actually gave you the correct information which is to say see a physical therapist (because the general doctor does not have the muscloskeletal expertise to correctly figure out what is wrong in most cases). So I'm not sure why your dad got mad at them for doing the right thing.

Third, there is not enough information above to know if it's a muscle problem or nerve problem or whatever else. Hence, I would suggest seeing a physical therapist.

If you would like to try to provide more information you may try. But I still highly recommend seeing a physical therapist (or orthopedic doc).

+ Show Spoiler +
1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts.

2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion.
http://www.exrx.net/Articulations/Shoulder.html

3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp?

4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room.

5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~4 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury?

6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long?

7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it.

8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes?

9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities?

10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling?

11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day?

12. Any previous injury history?

13. How's your posture?

14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports?

15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help?

I think we might have different definitions of physical therapists, the type of PT they want him to see is someone who deals with rehab and stuff like that. They don't actually try to figure out what's wrong, they just give you some light excercises and see if they help.

That said, I guess I'll try to find an orthopedic doctor. Thanks


I'm not sure how PTs operate in sweden.

Here they go through musculoskeletal and neuromuscular screening/testing/etc. to figure out what is wrong REGARDLESS of whether the prescription handed down to them says whatever because there is the possibility for it to be incorrect.

After that is given various modalities to help correct problems if something is wrong.

I don't think there's a significant difference between PTs of various countries so I think you have it a bit wrong. But I'm not 100% sure about that.

If you don't trust PT to help then you're in trouble though because that's probably where the ortho will send you if it's an issue that is solved by PT.


This isn't really related to health and fitness, but what exactly is the requirement to become a physical therapist? Is it a type of MD? I'm quite curious about this because I'm considering going into medicine in the distant future.


In the US most programs are doctorate level now (3 yrs year round) after you get your bachelors from college.

It's its own field... DPT... but obviously depending on where you work you'll be interacting with a lot of medical professionals -- MD, PAs, nurses, OTs, etc.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4727 Posts
September 15 2011 12:41 GMT
#11698
On September 15 2011 20:44 Energies wrote:
How do I stop the bar from choking me out when I front squat.It presses against my throat and I start to gag.

Edit: I reckon I could add 50% to my front squat if I could fix that.


Here is my practical solution: I only do sets of 3, because with each rep added, I am more likely to choke myself to unconsciousness. I also lose grip over time which decreases the quality of the reps. 3 reps x 5sets seems to be a smarter choice then 5 reps x 3 sets.
And also, it should get better with practice anyway
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
September 15 2011 12:56 GMT
#11699
On September 15 2011 21:37 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2011 21:31 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
On September 15 2011 21:08 eshlow wrote:
On September 15 2011 16:13 Sneakyz wrote:
On September 15 2011 09:39 eshlow wrote:
On September 15 2011 02:12 Sneakyz wrote:
@eshlow (Or anyone else with knowledge about injuries ofcourse )

My dad has been having some pain in his arm now for quite a while and I figured I might ask you. Although It's probably pretty hard to describe someone elses injury I'll do my best.

[image loading]

It's his right arm and he's right handed if that matters. At first the pain was mainly in what seems to be the Brachialis, but has now gotten worse and continued down what I think is the Brachioradialis, all the way down to the wrist.

He was working out for about a month with the pain but then it got too bad so he quit. The exercises that seemed to hurt the most, meaning pain was so bad he couldn't really do them at all, were generally the ones with arms out the sides. For example dumbbell shoulder press, side raises, bench press or flyes.

I would think this is an old injury since he's 60, and starting to lift just made it noticeable. Right now he also gets the pain whenever he move his hand, in addition to arms out the sides. And since you pretty much move your hand all the time I guess you could say this is pretty much chronic, since he stopped working out like 1.5-2 months ago.

He went to a more general doctor who basically said he should go to a physical therapist because WHY NOT. My dad didn't fancy that so he pretty much told them to fuck off since they won't even try to identify the problem, just want to get rid of him I'd guess.

I know you probably can't help much with so limited information, so if you could tell me more specifically what you would need to know so I can ask him that would be great.
Thanks


First off, you should never go to a general doctor for an orthopedic injury. You should go to an orthopedic doctor.

Second off, the general doctor actually gave you the correct information which is to say see a physical therapist (because the general doctor does not have the muscloskeletal expertise to correctly figure out what is wrong in most cases). So I'm not sure why your dad got mad at them for doing the right thing.

Third, there is not enough information above to know if it's a muscle problem or nerve problem or whatever else. Hence, I would suggest seeing a physical therapist.

If you would like to try to provide more information you may try. But I still highly recommend seeing a physical therapist (or orthopedic doc).

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1. Google a pic and mark where it hurts.

2. What exercises hurt? Which shoulder articulations hurt? Make sure you check both with passive motion and resistive/active motion.
http://www.exrx.net/Articulations/Shoulder.html

3. What type of pain is it? Burning? Ache? Tingling? Sharp?

4. What would you rate the pain at on a 0/10 scale? 0 being no pain, 10 being go to the emergency room.

5. Acute or chronic (chronic more than ~4 weeks)? What date was onset? How has the pain improved since the initial injury?

6. Have you been training through pain? If so, how long?

7. How deep is the pain? Is it more superficial tissues? Or does it seem to be more inside or around the joint? Describe it.

8. What have you been doing for recovery purposes?

9. What seems to help? What seems to make it worse? Is it constant? Does it increase/decrease with certain activities?

10. Check the tissue quality of the surrounding muscles. Which ones are tight? Which ones are tender? Is there any swelling?

11. How does it feel after exercise (if any)? How does it feel at the beginning of the day? How about the end of the day?

12. Any previous injury history?

13. How's your posture?

14. What is your current workout routine for that bodypart? Do you play any sports?

15. Any other information I should be aware of or that comes to mind that may help?

I think we might have different definitions of physical therapists, the type of PT they want him to see is someone who deals with rehab and stuff like that. They don't actually try to figure out what's wrong, they just give you some light excercises and see if they help.

That said, I guess I'll try to find an orthopedic doctor. Thanks


I'm not sure how PTs operate in sweden.

Here they go through musculoskeletal and neuromuscular screening/testing/etc. to figure out what is wrong REGARDLESS of whether the prescription handed down to them says whatever because there is the possibility for it to be incorrect.

After that is given various modalities to help correct problems if something is wrong.

I don't think there's a significant difference between PTs of various countries so I think you have it a bit wrong. But I'm not 100% sure about that.

If you don't trust PT to help then you're in trouble though because that's probably where the ortho will send you if it's an issue that is solved by PT.


This isn't really related to health and fitness, but what exactly is the requirement to become a physical therapist? Is it a type of MD? I'm quite curious about this because I'm considering going into medicine in the distant future.


In the US most programs are doctorate level now (3 yrs year round) after you get your bachelors from college.

It's its own field... DPT... but obviously depending on where you work you'll be interacting with a lot of medical professionals -- MD, PAs, nurses, OTs, etc.


Thanks for the information. This will all still be quite a ways into the future for me as it is, and I'm not sure I'm willing to go to grad school again, but I'm interested in the topic a lot.

Also, The Daily Show did a special on Planet Fitness:
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haha lol, is that a real planet fitness employee? thats just hilarious
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