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On July 16 2011 21:48 glurio wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 13:43 SoleSteeler wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Stress stress stress... I come to the TL fitness thread again, for some more advice. I posted this three weeks ago: Woke up one morning about 10 days ago and my right knee was in pain... It's only a flexibility thing. I could (but have stopped since) even do squats, deadlifts with no pain. I could run and bike with no pain also. But if I raised my knee to my chest (or tried to) I would feel some pretty serious pain. Some days I don't feel it much, but others I feel it a lot. I feel it the most when I'm... lying down! Sleeping and such.
Finally going to the doctor tomorrow morning... not easy when you don't speak the language in the country you live in. Hope this is temporary >_< (And I have no idea what originally caused it. I just woke up and it was like this >_<)
edit: and also, it feels... tight if I walk a lot. I went for an hour walk this morning and all day my knee felt tight. But last Saturday I spent the whole afternoon running around on a beach playing sports and felt fine later on. Walking seems to tighten it up rather than running, then. Hmmm.
edit2 : changed 10 weeks ago to 10 days >_<
Also. It wasn't 10 days ago, but now my lower back is starting to ache a bit... ugh... I'm worried about what the doctor is gonna say tomorrow. Hamstrings feel a bit tight too. phyre112 wrote this: If you're trying to compensate for the knee when you walk, that's probably what's bothering the back. Your body is made to move in its natural alignment, and when you throw that off to "protect" the injured parts, other parts have to do more than they should, causing damage. If it's becoming a problem, the only solution is to really stay off it until you can see a doctor.
Walking and Running are dominated by different muscles, so it's not surprising that one affects it more than the other. Could be anything from a muscle strain, to fluid buildup in the knee, to something (meniscus, ligaments, etc) being torn... Knee pain is extremely general. RICE it up, get in to that doctor who can do actual diagnostic tests. So when I went to the doctor 3 weeks ago, they poked and prodded it a lot, but I feel almost no pain from that. They took an x-ray and it looked fine. They said it was inflammation in my knee. They gave some anti-inflammatories and for the next week (just a couple hours after taking it) I was pain free. The doctor said I could weight lift but not do cardio, and I obeyed. After a week and the meds finished, I was 95% feeling fine. I waited a few more days and went for an hour walk or so; some pain after it unfortunately, but not too much. Anyway, I still can't do any cardio, or it hurts. I can do any lower body exercise (I'm doing SS) and it's fine, no pain at all. eshlow wrote this:
Tight on the inside of the knee? Do you have trouble bending and straigthening the leg?
I get pain when I sleep on my side (which I naturally do, unfortunately; I keep waking up and changing sides these days. But I should note it doesn't always hurt at night.) And also if I jerk my knee at all to the side quickly... I also said before I couldn't raise my knee to my chest; I can do that just fine now. I dunno, I'm getting very frustrated about it. I can't even properly explain WHEN it hurts... Like when I turn my leg it hurts, for example when I stand up and turn away from a chair... It's in the front left part of my right knee. eshlow, I do have trouble straightening the knee as straight as I can make it. Bending also causes a bit of discomfort, but not much. Straightening it I can really feel it. + Show Spoiler +Now here's the annoying part... ugh So I went to the doctor again today (same office, different doctor) and he said my knees don't look that good (both of them). The gap in the joint (he didn't speak English well, this is what I figure he meant) is too narrow for someone my age. I am 26, and he said it looks like a middle-aged person. He said he suggests losing weight. I've lost a lot of weight; I was about 260 pounds before and now I'm around 170-175 (5'11) and in significantly better shape then I've been in in the past. So I'm wondering if it's a remnant of from when I was fat. I was pretty overweight for close to 2.5-3 years, and it took me about a year to get down to a good weight. The thing is, it's only in my one knee... the pain. So why would it be from that? hmmm. Finally, one final piece of crucial info is that I did hurt the knee in April of 2010 playing basketball. In mid-air, I got pushed and landed on it funny, twisting it or something. It hurt like balls for about a month, and I didn't do much cardio for about 2-3 months. But after that it was perfectly fine, never any problems at all, until about 5 weeks ago now. Anyway... what the fuck? This is so damn annoying. I am going stir crazy not being able to go for walks, bike rides and the like. I have only been lifting weights 3 times a week, and trying to take it easily otherwise. It's causing me a lot of stress in my life! (Lots of other stresses too >_<) I'll do my best to provide other info on the problem but like I said, it's difficult to explain it well. Any advice, thoughts would be greatly, greatly appreciated.  This sounds like you hurt your medial meniscus and/or MCL. Doctor shouldve checked that though. I recommend seeing an Orthopedist or a Trauma Surgeon (not really sure if the latter does the same in your country).
Rolling back through some of the old stuff in this thread, no idea if the person who wrote this is still following but this sounds a lot like patellar tendonitis (commonly referred to as runner's knee). Having it twice back when I was putting in 70-80mi weeks, I can attest walking hurts (as do stairs) but running feels fine. I needed more support for my shoes, not sure if this helps but just something to think about!
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On July 26 2011 11:58 Warrior Madness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 10:30 decafchicken wrote:Power cleans greatest indicator of vertical rise and vertical rise is greatest indicator of athletic ability. Put two and two together  My vert literally went up like 3 inches after a month or two of oly lifting, i went from grabbing rim to nearly dunking (i'll get there some day) This guy is pretty athletic: + Show Spoiler +Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 11:23 phyre112 wrote:
But I can tell you from experience - when you're 6'3 already, and playing at a recreational/intermural level (me), being strong as a bull is a hell of a lot more useful than jumping to the moon. Rebound + putback may not be so flashy, but it sure as hell is better to be on the winning team than to hit the alley-oop and lose the game. Yeah, it'd be pretty crazy to play a post game vs an Olympic lifter or a powerlifter. I used to play point guard and all we did were plyometric exercises and a little bit of squats/benchpresses. Nothing systematic or thorough though. I wish I knew about SS back then. I can tell you that my first step will be a lot more explosive than it was before when I was 16, and my 1-2 shot will be a lot QUICKER too.
hehe shane hamman is awesome (he could also do a standing backflip I believe. at least he said so on that interview with rip). and mind you he did that jump with weightlifting shoes, in which believe you me its pretty hard to jump ^^
On July 26 2011 11:28 phyre112 wrote:
Question to the guys a bit more experienced than I am:
When squatting with what I've finally figured to be "proper form" I feel more power coming out of (and after the lift, more fatigue in) my hamstrings than in my quads. I know there's supposed to be some involvement of the glutes and hamstrings, but should they feel like they are dominating the lift?
Similarly, I feel that my deadlifts are dominated by the glutes and lower back, rather than the hamstrings... yet my power clean is definitely bigger on the hamstrings. I know that all these parts should be involved, but is this a problem with my set up, a problem with my form, a muscular imbalance, or completely normal?
I dont know if I'm more experienced than you but i'll offer you my humble opinion anyway
I think you finally squat correctly. thats why you feel it in the hamstrings, because you didnt use them that much before which made them "underdevelopped" compared to your quads. just keep squatting with proper form and your hamstrings will catch up soon.
thats probably why it feels like the hamstrings are dominating the lift: your thighs are already used to the weight but your posterior chain isnt (although the posterior chain definitely plays a major role in the squat).
I dont think hamstrings are that much involved in the deadlift. its more lower back and quads I believe. do some stiff-legged deadlifts and you will feel the difference
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Agreed, if you feel squats in the hams and glutes you're doing them right
Strong hams/glutes help immensely on the deadlift though.
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On July 26 2011 13:23 thedeadhaji wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 02:06 Cambium wrote:On July 25 2011 23:28 funkie wrote:On July 25 2011 12:58 thedeadhaji wrote:On July 25 2011 04:34 Cambium wrote:On July 24 2011 07:52 thedeadhaji wrote:
Squat: 330lbs 5-5-5 (PR)
Deadlift: 370lbs 1-1
ChinUps: BW+45lbs (PR) fuck you, seriously, fuck you. Fuck you and your progress while I've been away. Beast mode incoming in about 1.5 weeks. + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler +no worries my OHP still blows ass You can squat all you want. I can still lift you over my head and throw you like you're bitch cake. . Edit: We're pretty much past the half-year mark, and Now, I'm calling this upon every FUCKING body. By the final week of November, it's fucking mandatory to post pics of progress, no problem if there isn't a "before", but I bet my life there's an after. Gogo. Final Week of November! . Edit2: And In case you guys haven't noticed, I and dionocenies created an iPhone App, And this thread was my biggest inspiration for it!. check it out here > http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=246672gogo :D 1. happy bday 2. good job on the app, i don't have an iphone, but i might get on soon 3. EVERYBODY post fucking pics I'm going to move to Japan soon, and I really hope I find a decent gym where I can squat, DL and clean. I have pics from July 2009, April 2010, April 2011. They're in this thread. Go find Wally lol
I've seen them already
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craving big macs with extra big mac sawce at 6:30 AM, what should I do TL?
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I've seen them already
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craving big macs with extra big mac sawce at 6:30 AM, what should I do TL?
Not get up at 6:30AM?
EDIT: Damnit I suck at quoting.
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On July 26 2011 09:12 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 15:37 jjhchsc2 wrote:On July 25 2011 00:02 eshlow wrote:On July 24 2011 18:06 jjhchsc2 wrote:okay i have a bit of a problem. as eshlow stated a few pages ago ''working out 4 hours before sleep is not good as it is more suscpetible to overtaining'' so with that in mind i changed from working out from 7-8pm to now 4-5 pm (i sleep at 10 btw.) i use choc milk/normal milk with milo for my protein Post workout meal. I drink 3 cups of milk which equates to 50-60grams of carbs and 30grams of protein. i am 16 years old and i am 170cm which is 5.5 feet i think. so this should be enough. here's the problem- i get diarhea 2/3 times when i drink milk THEN EAT DINNER 2-3 hours later. So i eat dinner at around 7:30pm. And yes i can tolerate milk. i CAN eat cereal regularly, drink a cup of milk whenever i feel like it and also about 2-3 cups before i go to sleep sometimes. It's just that when i eat dinner after the milk i get diarhoea. are there any foods i should be avoiding after drinking milk? i ate meat a few times after the milk which probably caused it. Or should i just eat alot less for the PWO dinners? If i was to reduce the amount of milk i drank (then slowly increase the amount so my body can take it better) would it help solve this problem? but this also means less carbs and less protein for my post workout. OR should i just go back to working out after dinner at around 7-8 and just drink the 3 cups of milk without the diarhea? i have googled the 4 hours thing and i have found some debate on personal preference/consistency versus just going with the rule of no workout before 4 hours of sleep. And i know it means that ''there is nothing but milk in my system for 9 hours'' but i can wake up and drink more milk in the middle of the night if it helps. I would be more happy with changing it back to working out 7-8 as i would get my dinner in with no problem but also workout. i will try to eat dinner then workout from 6-7 maybe if it helps.  Thanks for reading and for any help in advance. Edit: i am 137 lb / 62kg PS. @thedeadhaji holy shit nice squat and deadlift That's really weird. You can switch your lifting times back if it makes it easier.... it probably won't affect you much at the moment ''at the moment'' argh that scares me ): So it's ok to change back to working out 2-3 hours before i sleep? O.O i think it has something to do with what i eat after the milk and how much i drink. So i will try to reduce the milk but would that affect my lifts? and i will just eat more digestable foods such as rice and green tea or something after lol, don't worry about it too much man. It will make maybe about maybe 2-3% difference at your level max. It's something that should be taken into account if you want max gains but overall won't make a huge difference.
Hahaha kk thanks for giving me a peace of mind (hopefully)
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On July 26 2011 16:58 Zafrumi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 11:58 Warrior Madness wrote:On July 26 2011 10:30 decafchicken wrote:Power cleans greatest indicator of vertical rise and vertical rise is greatest indicator of athletic ability. Put two and two together My vert literally went up like 3 inches after a month or two of oly lifting, i went from grabbing rim to nearly dunking (i'll get there some day) This guy is pretty athletic: + Show Spoiler +On July 26 2011 11:23 phyre112 wrote:
But I can tell you from experience - when you're 6'3 already, and playing at a recreational/intermural level (me), being strong as a bull is a hell of a lot more useful than jumping to the moon. Rebound + putback may not be so flashy, but it sure as hell is better to be on the winning team than to hit the alley-oop and lose the game. Yeah, it'd be pretty crazy to play a post game vs an Olympic lifter or a powerlifter. I used to play point guard and all we did were plyometric exercises and a little bit of squats/benchpresses. Nothing systematic or thorough though. I wish I knew about SS back then. I can tell you that my first step will be a lot more explosive than it was before when I was 16, and my 1-2 shot will be a lot QUICKER too. hehe shane hamman is awesome (he could also do a standing backflip I believe. at least he said so on that interview with rip). and mind you he did that jump with weightlifting shoes, in which believe you me its pretty hard to jump ^^ Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 11:28 phyre112 wrote:
Question to the guys a bit more experienced than I am:
When squatting with what I've finally figured to be "proper form" I feel more power coming out of (and after the lift, more fatigue in) my hamstrings than in my quads. I know there's supposed to be some involvement of the glutes and hamstrings, but should they feel like they are dominating the lift?
Similarly, I feel that my deadlifts are dominated by the glutes and lower back, rather than the hamstrings... yet my power clean is definitely bigger on the hamstrings. I know that all these parts should be involved, but is this a problem with my set up, a problem with my form, a muscular imbalance, or completely normal? I dont know if I'm more experienced than you but i'll offer you my humble opinion anyway I think you finally squat correctly. thats why you feel it in the hamstrings, because you didnt use them that much before which made them "underdevelopped" compared to your quads. just keep squatting with proper form and your hamstrings will catch up soon. thats probably why it feels like the hamstrings are dominating the lift: your thighs are already used to the weight but your posterior chain isnt (although the posterior chain definitely plays a major role in the squat). I dont think hamstrings are that much involved in the deadlift. its more lower back and quads I believe. do some stiff-legged deadlifts and you will feel the difference
goblet squat -> front squat -> overhead squat -> hbbs -> lbbs are the progressive quad -> posterior chain dominant stuff. So yeah, typically you should feel the hammies/glutes working more in the hbbs/lbbs variations.
Most people will feel the deadlift in the glutes and low back. The initial phase of the deadlift uses the quads rather significantly especially getting into heavier weight... but the hammies are significantly involved if done correctly.
Deadlifts are the meaning of true whole body lifts much more than squat (although I would say squatting is a more fundamental movment).
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On July 26 2011 14:57 imPERSONater wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 21:48 glurio wrote:On July 16 2011 13:43 SoleSteeler wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Stress stress stress... I come to the TL fitness thread again, for some more advice. I posted this three weeks ago: Woke up one morning about 10 days ago and my right knee was in pain... It's only a flexibility thing. I could (but have stopped since) even do squats, deadlifts with no pain. I could run and bike with no pain also. But if I raised my knee to my chest (or tried to) I would feel some pretty serious pain. Some days I don't feel it much, but others I feel it a lot. I feel it the most when I'm... lying down! Sleeping and such.
Finally going to the doctor tomorrow morning... not easy when you don't speak the language in the country you live in. Hope this is temporary >_< (And I have no idea what originally caused it. I just woke up and it was like this >_<)
edit: and also, it feels... tight if I walk a lot. I went for an hour walk this morning and all day my knee felt tight. But last Saturday I spent the whole afternoon running around on a beach playing sports and felt fine later on. Walking seems to tighten it up rather than running, then. Hmmm.
edit2 : changed 10 weeks ago to 10 days >_<
Also. It wasn't 10 days ago, but now my lower back is starting to ache a bit... ugh... I'm worried about what the doctor is gonna say tomorrow. Hamstrings feel a bit tight too. phyre112 wrote this: If you're trying to compensate for the knee when you walk, that's probably what's bothering the back. Your body is made to move in its natural alignment, and when you throw that off to "protect" the injured parts, other parts have to do more than they should, causing damage. If it's becoming a problem, the only solution is to really stay off it until you can see a doctor.
Walking and Running are dominated by different muscles, so it's not surprising that one affects it more than the other. Could be anything from a muscle strain, to fluid buildup in the knee, to something (meniscus, ligaments, etc) being torn... Knee pain is extremely general. RICE it up, get in to that doctor who can do actual diagnostic tests. So when I went to the doctor 3 weeks ago, they poked and prodded it a lot, but I feel almost no pain from that. They took an x-ray and it looked fine. They said it was inflammation in my knee. They gave some anti-inflammatories and for the next week (just a couple hours after taking it) I was pain free. The doctor said I could weight lift but not do cardio, and I obeyed. After a week and the meds finished, I was 95% feeling fine. I waited a few more days and went for an hour walk or so; some pain after it unfortunately, but not too much. Anyway, I still can't do any cardio, or it hurts. I can do any lower body exercise (I'm doing SS) and it's fine, no pain at all. eshlow wrote this:
Tight on the inside of the knee? Do you have trouble bending and straigthening the leg?
I get pain when I sleep on my side (which I naturally do, unfortunately; I keep waking up and changing sides these days. But I should note it doesn't always hurt at night.) And also if I jerk my knee at all to the side quickly... I also said before I couldn't raise my knee to my chest; I can do that just fine now. I dunno, I'm getting very frustrated about it. I can't even properly explain WHEN it hurts... Like when I turn my leg it hurts, for example when I stand up and turn away from a chair... It's in the front left part of my right knee. eshlow, I do have trouble straightening the knee as straight as I can make it. Bending also causes a bit of discomfort, but not much. Straightening it I can really feel it. + Show Spoiler +Now here's the annoying part... ugh So I went to the doctor again today (same office, different doctor) and he said my knees don't look that good (both of them). The gap in the joint (he didn't speak English well, this is what I figure he meant) is too narrow for someone my age. I am 26, and he said it looks like a middle-aged person. He said he suggests losing weight. I've lost a lot of weight; I was about 260 pounds before and now I'm around 170-175 (5'11) and in significantly better shape then I've been in in the past. So I'm wondering if it's a remnant of from when I was fat. I was pretty overweight for close to 2.5-3 years, and it took me about a year to get down to a good weight. The thing is, it's only in my one knee... the pain. So why would it be from that? hmmm. Finally, one final piece of crucial info is that I did hurt the knee in April of 2010 playing basketball. In mid-air, I got pushed and landed on it funny, twisting it or something. It hurt like balls for about a month, and I didn't do much cardio for about 2-3 months. But after that it was perfectly fine, never any problems at all, until about 5 weeks ago now. Anyway... what the fuck? This is so damn annoying. I am going stir crazy not being able to go for walks, bike rides and the like. I have only been lifting weights 3 times a week, and trying to take it easily otherwise. It's causing me a lot of stress in my life! (Lots of other stresses too >_<) I'll do my best to provide other info on the problem but like I said, it's difficult to explain it well. Any advice, thoughts would be greatly, greatly appreciated. This sounds like you hurt your medial meniscus and/or MCL. Doctor shouldve checked that though. I recommend seeing an Orthopedist or a Trauma Surgeon (not really sure if the latter does the same in your country). Rolling back through some of the old stuff in this thread, no idea if the person who wrote this is still following but this sounds a lot like patellar tendonitis (commonly referred to as runner's knee). Having it twice back when I was putting in 70-80mi weeks, I can attest walking hurts (as do stairs) but running feels fine. I needed more support for my shoes, not sure if this helps but just something to think about!
Sorry dude. As a physical therapy student.. it actually sounds like more of a meniscus injury which is why I agreed with his post on seeing an ortho.
There are some fundamental differences between suspected meniscus injury as opposed to patellar or quadriceps tendonitis which I wrote up in this post here if you wanna learn a bit more:
http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2011/05/so-you-hurt-your-knee
Every case is different which is why I don't like relating your own experiences to other people's experiences espeically in terms of injuries. The funny thing about injuries is that "what breaks" can be nearly the same but for completely different reasons in some cases which is why personalized medical care is almost always necessary.
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Does muscle endurance come back at the same rate as strength? I have obviously gotten weaker but I seem to have less energy as well. I did a few sets of bench and a few sets of dumbbells and I couldn't finish my second set of dips and I failed on like 24 push-ups. I used to do an entire workout and still be able to get 100 push-ups or 30 dips out ;(.
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According to http://www.crossfit.com/cf-journal/WLSTANDARDS.pdf
squat: intermediate
deadlift: novice - intermediate
bench: novice - intermediate
press: untrained - novice FUUUUUUUUU
Fuck fucking press haha. Good thing though that I just started power cleaning, one lift I can still enjoy beginner progress with. Plus it's fun as hell, should have started earlier.
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Thanks everybody for the birthday wishes. It isn't easy for me, as I just lost my grandpa. .
Haven't been to the gym since last saturday, and I miss it like hell!. Can't wait to go back, hopefully tomorrow or thursday.
but yeah, gonna try to keep it simple, and maybe, JUST MAYBE, alcohol free today .
cheers guys!.
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On July 26 2011 21:38 zatic wrote:According to http://www.crossfit.com/cf-journal/WLSTANDARDS.pdfsquat: intermediate deadlift: novice - intermediate bench: novice - intermediate press: untrained - novice FUUUUUUUUU Fuck fucking press haha. Good thing though that I just started power cleaning, one lift I can still enjoy beginner progress with. Plus it's fun as hell, should have started earlier.
lol@press
and it seems like EVERY person who starts power cleaning says "I should have done this exercise a long time ago."
let that be a lesson for new people: POWER CLEANS ARE AWESOME!!
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Powercleans are really hard, though. Like I feel I can't progress the weight beyond these 30kgs because I have a long way to go flexibility wise before I can properly rack the bar. I haven't been sold on them, tbh.
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deadlifts
160kg x1
150kg x4
140kg 2x5
130kg 1x5
130kgx3
100kgx2
Rows
65kg 4x10
3x5 chin ups
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yes, they are a bit harder to learn than the squat or deadlift. but that just means the reward will be even bigger!
flexibility should come rather quickly imo. I never struggled with it personally. when I started to learn the PC one thing I have noticed is that getting under the bar quickly was the real issue with my racking position, not flexibility (or lack thereof).
nice deads @david!
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Thanks man my goal is 200kg by the end of this year
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I am having trouble googling properly about this. I eat very healthy, exercise enough and sleep a lot. (Basically from 00:00 to 9:45). Problem is that I do not feel that rested. It's a pretty dark room and there it's quiet enough I think (got earplugs). I do not use an alarm clock, however. I just turned 18, is this just puberty or am I oversleeping?
Thanks in advance, I really did try to google it but couldn't find anything appropiate.
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On July 26 2011 21:13 Energies wrote:
Does muscle endurance come back at the same rate as strength? I have obviously gotten weaker but I seem to have less energy as well. I did a few sets of bench and a few sets of dumbbells and I couldn't finish my second set of dips and I failed on like 24 push-ups. I used to do an entire workout and still be able to get 100 push-ups or 30 dips out ;(.
Yes
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On July 26 2011 23:08 BouBou.865 wrote:
I am having trouble googling properly about this. I eat very healthy, exercise enough and sleep a lot. (Basically from 00:00 to 9:45). Problem is that I wake up feeling crazy tired. It's a pretty dark room and there it's quiet enough I think (got earplugs). I do not use an alarm clock, however. I just turned 18, is this just puberty or am I oversleeping?
Thanks in advance, I really did try to google it but couldn't find anything appropiate.
Need more details about exercise & nutrition
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On July 26 2011 23:16 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2011 23:08 BouBou.865 wrote:
I am having trouble googling properly about this. I eat very healthy, exercise enough and sleep a lot. (Basically from 00:00 to 9:45). Problem is that I wake up feeling crazy tired. It's a pretty dark room and there it's quiet enough I think (got earplugs). I do not use an alarm clock, however. I just turned 18, is this just puberty or am I oversleeping?
Thanks in advance, I really did try to google it but couldn't find anything appropiate. Need more details about exercise & nutrition
Alright so the average day is as follows:
11:00 return from the baker and have breakfast, one baguette with brie and honey and generally a croissant or two
12:30 head to the gym to do starting strength
14:00 return from gym, have a shower
Sometimes I get another baguette to eat, always an apple/banana/5 egg whites and 650ml of full fat milk protein shake
14:30 watch tv shows on laptop, browse
17:30 go to work, bring second 650ml protein shake
I work at a restaurant, so I eat a LOT. Like I eat about twice as much as the four guys combined, no joke. During work I eat a bit aswell. Should I stop eating/drinking 2 hours before bedtime?
23:30 return from work
00:00 zzzz time
I workout tuesday, thursday and saturday, so this schedule is quite appropiate there. On my 'off' days I do some light stretching and no working out generally aside of a little bit of swimming and the walk uphill to the bakery.
Thanks a ton eschlow, if you ever get kids they'll be lucky to have you. If there's anything left so I can help you help me, ask me please.
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