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Onyx_Knight
Profile Joined May 2011
29 Posts
July 12 2011 01:42 GMT
#8641
Yah if I am lieing down, like I can feel the slight pressure that there is pain but it doesn't HURT, if that makes any sense, its only with sudden movements or like standing up, or sitting up or something. But like I said, its hurt since friday night. The pain goes away and reappears randomly.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
July 12 2011 01:45 GMT
#8642
On July 12 2011 10:25 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2011 10:01 Onyx_Knight wrote:
Hey, Someone told me I may want to post here to get some help, I'm a poor american who can't afford to go to the doctor unless absolutly necessary.

Since friday evening I've had some chest pains. Its right in the middle, where my ribcages meet, and about the high of my heart, but like I said, pretty much dead center of my chest. Its pretty constant pain and flares when movement or deep breath taken. People call me crazy but it FEELS like I pulled something, like the pain is very similar as if I pulled a leg muscle, the constant dull throb, then the flares when in use. Sometimes the pain goes away or moves a bit to the right ( my right looking down, away from the heart.) The pain doesn't feel as if its coming from INSIDE, but like RIGHT on the bone of the rib or right under the skin.

Anyone who could have any help with this would be greaty appreciated!


I would seriously get this check out by a doc.

However, the other thing I would say it likely could be if you did some stressful exercise like pulling or pushing movements on the ribcage is that it could be costochondiritis / tietze syndrome

I do have a write up this but seriously get it checked out by a doc. Do not mess with potential heart issues.

+ Show Spoiler +
costchondritis/tietze syndrome:

So you can give yourself costcondritis/tietze syndrome/etc. by aggravating your costal cartilages by doing this.

Since the origin of the pecs is on the sternum and partially on the costal cartilages, if you haven't used your chest in resistance trainig much before the connective tissues aren't as strong. Thus, when you do a deep movement where you erally stretch out the pecs like dips, the origin of the muscle on the costal cartilages can start to pull them away from the costal facets on the sternum

Obviously, this creates inflammation and in general can lead to some popping and hurting.


Best thing you can do is REST AND LET IT HEAL. Take your anti-inflammatories to help decrease inflammation and allow healign to occur. Fish oil is always good. Massage to teh area works as well.

Ice if it helps. Otherwise, once it starts feeling better use heat to stimulate more blood flow to encourage faster healing from the body since the area does not get a lot of blood flow as it is bone/cartilage in that area.

Keep the muscles working through full but non-weight bearing and non-painful range of motion so that the muscles don't tighten up on you, and the muscle movement will also help stimulate blood flow to the area as well.

Usually, if you didn't chronically aggravate you should be able to get back to exercising within a week.

Just avoid the exercise that aggravates it for a while, and focus on other exercises that are less intense of the chest... and then work your way back into these SLOWLY so you don't reaggravate your condition.


This isn't really relevant but the part about popping in the chest reminded me.

When I was younger, I was leaning over a banister to talk to someone downstairs and my chest popped like when you lean back in a chair and your back cracks. It wasn't so much a crack as a deep popping sound, and it ached for the next day or so, but it went away.

I'm sure it wasn't serious, but it scared the hell out of me at the time :p
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Onyx_Knight
Profile Joined May 2011
29 Posts
July 12 2011 01:48 GMT
#8643
I mean to be honest, I don't remember how it started, just at one point friday night, it just started acheing a bit and then progressed from there. Just hoping I survive the night and I will go to the local centre care thing in the morning or something.
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
July 12 2011 02:14 GMT
#8644
On July 12 2011 10:45 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2011 10:25 eshlow wrote:
On July 12 2011 10:01 Onyx_Knight wrote:
Hey, Someone told me I may want to post here to get some help, I'm a poor american who can't afford to go to the doctor unless absolutly necessary.

Since friday evening I've had some chest pains. Its right in the middle, where my ribcages meet, and about the high of my heart, but like I said, pretty much dead center of my chest. Its pretty constant pain and flares when movement or deep breath taken. People call me crazy but it FEELS like I pulled something, like the pain is very similar as if I pulled a leg muscle, the constant dull throb, then the flares when in use. Sometimes the pain goes away or moves a bit to the right ( my right looking down, away from the heart.) The pain doesn't feel as if its coming from INSIDE, but like RIGHT on the bone of the rib or right under the skin.

Anyone who could have any help with this would be greaty appreciated!


I would seriously get this check out by a doc.

However, the other thing I would say it likely could be if you did some stressful exercise like pulling or pushing movements on the ribcage is that it could be costochondiritis / tietze syndrome

I do have a write up this but seriously get it checked out by a doc. Do not mess with potential heart issues.

+ Show Spoiler +
costchondritis/tietze syndrome:

So you can give yourself costcondritis/tietze syndrome/etc. by aggravating your costal cartilages by doing this.

Since the origin of the pecs is on the sternum and partially on the costal cartilages, if you haven't used your chest in resistance trainig much before the connective tissues aren't as strong. Thus, when you do a deep movement where you erally stretch out the pecs like dips, the origin of the muscle on the costal cartilages can start to pull them away from the costal facets on the sternum

Obviously, this creates inflammation and in general can lead to some popping and hurting.


Best thing you can do is REST AND LET IT HEAL. Take your anti-inflammatories to help decrease inflammation and allow healign to occur. Fish oil is always good. Massage to teh area works as well.

Ice if it helps. Otherwise, once it starts feeling better use heat to stimulate more blood flow to encourage faster healing from the body since the area does not get a lot of blood flow as it is bone/cartilage in that area.

Keep the muscles working through full but non-weight bearing and non-painful range of motion so that the muscles don't tighten up on you, and the muscle movement will also help stimulate blood flow to the area as well.

Usually, if you didn't chronically aggravate you should be able to get back to exercising within a week.

Just avoid the exercise that aggravates it for a while, and focus on other exercises that are less intense of the chest... and then work your way back into these SLOWLY so you don't reaggravate your condition.


This isn't really relevant but the part about popping in the chest reminded me.

When I was younger, I was leaning over a banister to talk to someone downstairs and my chest popped like when you lean back in a chair and your back cracks. It wasn't so much a crack as a deep popping sound, and it ached for the next day or so, but it went away.

I'm sure it wasn't serious, but it scared the hell out of me at the time :p


My chest started popping some months back -.^ bottom of the sternum-ish when I pull my shoulders back (like when you set up for the bench). Can't do it on purpose 100% of the time, but it happens maybe once every other day. Nothing hurts though, just like cracking knuckles so I'm not too worried...should I be?
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
July 12 2011 02:22 GMT
#8645
Well, the good part is it doesn't sound like heart issues but yeah I would still get it checked
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
July 12 2011 02:35 GMT
#8646
On July 12 2011 11:14 JeeJee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2011 10:45 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
On July 12 2011 10:25 eshlow wrote:
On July 12 2011 10:01 Onyx_Knight wrote:
Hey, Someone told me I may want to post here to get some help, I'm a poor american who can't afford to go to the doctor unless absolutly necessary.

Since friday evening I've had some chest pains. Its right in the middle, where my ribcages meet, and about the high of my heart, but like I said, pretty much dead center of my chest. Its pretty constant pain and flares when movement or deep breath taken. People call me crazy but it FEELS like I pulled something, like the pain is very similar as if I pulled a leg muscle, the constant dull throb, then the flares when in use. Sometimes the pain goes away or moves a bit to the right ( my right looking down, away from the heart.) The pain doesn't feel as if its coming from INSIDE, but like RIGHT on the bone of the rib or right under the skin.

Anyone who could have any help with this would be greaty appreciated!


I would seriously get this check out by a doc.

However, the other thing I would say it likely could be if you did some stressful exercise like pulling or pushing movements on the ribcage is that it could be costochondiritis / tietze syndrome

I do have a write up this but seriously get it checked out by a doc. Do not mess with potential heart issues.

+ Show Spoiler +
costchondritis/tietze syndrome:

So you can give yourself costcondritis/tietze syndrome/etc. by aggravating your costal cartilages by doing this.

Since the origin of the pecs is on the sternum and partially on the costal cartilages, if you haven't used your chest in resistance trainig much before the connective tissues aren't as strong. Thus, when you do a deep movement where you erally stretch out the pecs like dips, the origin of the muscle on the costal cartilages can start to pull them away from the costal facets on the sternum

Obviously, this creates inflammation and in general can lead to some popping and hurting.


Best thing you can do is REST AND LET IT HEAL. Take your anti-inflammatories to help decrease inflammation and allow healign to occur. Fish oil is always good. Massage to teh area works as well.

Ice if it helps. Otherwise, once it starts feeling better use heat to stimulate more blood flow to encourage faster healing from the body since the area does not get a lot of blood flow as it is bone/cartilage in that area.

Keep the muscles working through full but non-weight bearing and non-painful range of motion so that the muscles don't tighten up on you, and the muscle movement will also help stimulate blood flow to the area as well.

Usually, if you didn't chronically aggravate you should be able to get back to exercising within a week.

Just avoid the exercise that aggravates it for a while, and focus on other exercises that are less intense of the chest... and then work your way back into these SLOWLY so you don't reaggravate your condition.


This isn't really relevant but the part about popping in the chest reminded me.

When I was younger, I was leaning over a banister to talk to someone downstairs and my chest popped like when you lean back in a chair and your back cracks. It wasn't so much a crack as a deep popping sound, and it ached for the next day or so, but it went away.

I'm sure it wasn't serious, but it scared the hell out of me at the time :p


My chest started popping some months back -.^ bottom of the sternum-ish when I pull my shoulders back (like when you set up for the bench). Can't do it on purpose 100% of the time, but it happens maybe once every other day. Nothing hurts though, just like cracking knuckles so I'm not too worried...should I be?


My chest occasionally does the same thing. So does the point in my back between the shoulder blades when I pull them back, but much more often, and so does my lower back the first time I go to the dead hang position to start a pullup. I'm pretty sure that's a much more normal thing, and if there's no pain it's not something I would worry about. Chest pains though, like the other guy is talking about are a much bigger deal. I wore a heart monitor for a straight month when I was younger, because I would have completely random episodes of my resting heart rate racing to 170 or even higher BPM. The heart is not something you want to mess around with or take lightly.
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
July 12 2011 03:06 GMT
#8647
ok maybe taking a little jog at 11pm at night with dark sweats isnt a good idea. Some guy pulled me aside and warned me he will call the cops on me.
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
July 12 2011 03:08 GMT
#8648
LOL dimsum :\


Some more interesting stuff on obesity from stephan

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2011/05/liposuction-and-fat-regain.html
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2011/07/how-does-gastric-bypass-surgery-cause.html
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
inimenesc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Estonia374 Posts
July 12 2011 06:57 GMT
#8649
Rain :/

So what to do if i cant go to gym or do any cardio because i hate getting wet. I just have my floor and my body, cant even do pullups in my home. Anyone has a routine they are doing like this? I would love to have it for more rainy days.

It might dry out, but just in case!

Also, should i buy multivitamins? When i googled it in estonian like 5 first articles were that they dont work.
"When game is going full retard, you can only go with it. If you start going against it, if you start going half retard, you´re fucking done for." -n0tail 2014
jjhchsc2
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)2393 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-12 07:04:48
July 12 2011 06:59 GMT
#8650
Hey eshlow.
I realised something with my handstands.
Would i still gain hypertrophy/mass (on my shoulders) with my handstands even if it's just time progressions? (like 3x20-30seconds -->3x25-35seconds)
Because isnt that just training endurance instead of strength and endurance doesnt produce that much mass/strength.
Is this time progression improvement workout to workout the same as adding reps to an excercise instead of weights? eg-1st workout 3x15 45kg/99lb bench ---> 3x17 45kg/99lb bench. They are both training endurance over strength arent they?

Last question- my left hand middle finger is quite swollen and my doctor advised me not to lift weights or do any basketball (OMG T_T) but would handstands/benchdips still be ok?
It is swollen at the middle joint and tendons that stabilize it from moving right to left are damaged.

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RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
July 12 2011 08:28 GMT
#8651
On July 12 2011 12:06 AoN.DimSum wrote:
ok maybe taking a little jog at 11pm at night with dark sweats isnt a good idea. Some guy pulled me aside and warned me he will call the cops on me.


lol

I love my home country. The first thing that somebody thinks when they see a guy running at night isn't that he's taking a jog, but that he stole something.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
July 12 2011 08:39 GMT
#8652
Does anyone know of a good heart rate monitor/watch?
xJupiter9x
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States150 Posts
July 12 2011 08:44 GMT
#8653
DimSum can you look at my snatch videos a couple pages back and see how the form is?
BouBou.865
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands814 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-12 08:58:55
July 12 2011 08:57 GMT
#8654
On the SS wiki it says 3x5 squats. So that's 5 reps, 3 sets, right? How much rest do I need for this? I suck ass with google : / Also, Rippetoe is giving a seminar in Reykjavik in October somewhere, sJarl.

First workout was really good though :D Except for Deadlifts, got to read up on a LOT of technique regarding DL : /

5x3 squats 50kg
5x3 bench 50kg
5x1 Deadlift 50kg

Deadlift had my knees flying all over the place, god damnit. Squatting feels real good though!
phyre, what are your current lifts?

Edit: I don't have lactose intolerance anymore, so i can start draining full fat milk aside of my creatin and protein. I still never learned to drink it though. How can I make milk taste less like milk? Don't want to 'man up' for 2 liters a day, every day.
Playing League of Legends. IGN: Plain Skill
Sneakyz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2361 Posts
July 12 2011 09:30 GMT
#8655
1x5 140kg DL yesterday's workout, felt pretty good. Four plates next :D!
I'm thinking about buying one of those belt's, just to be safe, are there any cons of using one?
I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds.
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-12 09:35:20
July 12 2011 09:35 GMT
#8656
On July 12 2011 17:57 BouBou.865 wrote:
On the SS wiki it says 3x5 squats. So that's 5 reps, 3 sets, right? How much rest do I need for this? I suck ass with google : / Also, Rippetoe is giving a seminar in Reykjavik in October somewhere, sJarl.

First workout was really good though :D Except for Deadlifts, got to read up on a LOT of technique regarding DL : /

5x3 squats 50kg
5x3 bench 50kg
5x1 Deadlift 50kg

Deadlift had my knees flying all over the place, god damnit. Squatting feels real good though!
phyre, what are your current lifts?

Edit: I don't have lactose intolerance anymore, so i can start draining full fat milk aside of my creatin and protein. I still never learned to drink it though. How can I make milk taste less like milk? Don't want to 'man up' for 2 liters a day, every day.


ooohh! I just might show up for that seminar!

SS always has you do 3 sets of 5 reps. I just rest as much as I feel like I need to but watch out so you don't get cold inbetween the sets. 2-5mins usually do the trick.

Focus on keeping your knees out, like in the squat.

Drink the milk ice cold, then it just runs down nice and smoothly.
@Sneakyz: GJ man!
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
geno
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1404 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-12 09:49:30
July 12 2011 09:45 GMT
#8657
Anyone have some good suggestions for whey protein powder? I'm normally the type to avoid any type of supplemental stuff by nature (with the exception of Vitamin D and Calcium, of which I'm sure I don't get nearly enough normally), but I actually kind of see a real use for whey. My workouts occasionally finish at an awkward time where I find it difficult to fit in my normal choice of tuna/chicken sandwhiches + nuts / milk without screwing with other meals. A nice simple protein shake/drink would probably help me to have consistent post-workout nutrition.

Additionally, is there anything else I should be considering on this front? For some reason, I just instinctively think of all other powders and supplements as manufactured placebos. Or at best, not worth their cost in that they may provide spot gains, but long-term there is little need to worry about them, particularly with decent nutrition. The only exception may be fish oil stuff but even for that, I don't know what it does and it seems pretty expensive . Am I wrong about this?
Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-12 11:07:03
July 12 2011 11:01 GMT
#8658
Arrgh, the nutrition aspect has started for me.
At the end of these twelve weeks I'm going to hate chicken, salmon and cottage cheese.

Had a non-stop headache today, I put it to the sudden stoppage of carbs over the last couple of days, or perhaps a tumour.

Edit: Weird questions maybe.. can alcohol withdrawal cause headaches?
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
inimenesc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Estonia374 Posts
July 12 2011 11:59 GMT
#8659
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2011 15:57 inimenesc wrote:
Rain :/

So what to do if i cant go to gym or do any cardio because i hate getting wet. I just have my floor and my body, cant even do pullups in my home. Anyone has a routine they are doing like this? I would love to have it for more rainy days.

It might dry out, but just in case!

Also, should i buy multivitamins? When i googled it in estonian like 5 first articles were that they dont work.

Sameless selfquote

Weather still sucks and i dont know anything about vitamins.
"When game is going full retard, you can only go with it. If you start going against it, if you start going half retard, you´re fucking done for." -n0tail 2014
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
July 12 2011 12:08 GMT
#8660
On July 12 2011 20:01 Energies wrote:
Arrgh, the nutrition aspect has started for me.
At the end of these twelve weeks I'm going to hate chicken, salmon and cottage cheese.

Had a non-stop headache today, I put it to the sudden stoppage of carbs over the last couple of days, or perhaps a tumour.

Edit: Weird questions maybe.. can alcohol withdrawal cause headaches?


Low carbs and achohol withdrawal can very well be the source of your hadache.

@inimenesc: Just get out there and get wet, be it on the way to the gym or because you went out for a run. Bad weather is no excuse. Just suck it up.
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