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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
July 12 2011 12:13 GMT
#8661
On July 12 2011 15:57 inimenesc wrote:
Rain :/

So what to do if i cant go to gym or do any cardio because i hate getting wet. I just have my floor and my body, cant even do pullups in my home. Anyone has a routine they are doing like this? I would love to have it for more rainy days.

It might dry out, but just in case!

Also, should i buy multivitamins? When i googled it in estonian like 5 first articles were that they dont work.


Check out the bodyweight article in the OP

Multivitamins are OK, but you should be getting most stuff from real food

On July 12 2011 15:59 jjhchsc2 wrote:
Hey eshlow.
I realised something with my handstands.
Would i still gain hypertrophy/mass (on my shoulders) with my handstands even if it's just time progressions? (like 3x20-30seconds -->3x25-35seconds)
Because isnt that just training endurance instead of strength and endurance doesnt produce that much mass/strength.
Is this time progression improvement workout to workout the same as adding reps to an excercise instead of weights? eg-1st workout 3x15 45kg/99lb bench ---> 3x17 45kg/99lb bench. They are both training endurance over strength arent they?

Last question- my left hand middle finger is quite swollen and my doctor advised me not to lift weights or do any basketball (OMG T_T) but would handstands/benchdips still be ok?
It is swollen at the middle joint and tendons that stabilize it from moving right to left are damaged.



Handstands give limited hypertrophy,... it's mostly a skill albeit a cool looking one and the body positions are good for the rest of bodyweight work. Yes, time progression is typically endurance progression although there is some good hypertrophy effects from about 5s-15s if the exercise is difficult

The progressions for strength will be your handstand pushups, dips, planches, etc.

As long as exercises don't hurt your finger it's likely fine. Make sure you're RICE-ing and anti-inflammatories for that finger. non-painful mobility is good too
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
July 12 2011 12:19 GMT
#8662
On July 12 2011 17:57 BouBou.865 wrote:
On the SS wiki it says 3x5 squats. So that's 5 reps, 3 sets, right? How much rest do I need for this? I suck ass with google : / Also, Rippetoe is giving a seminar in Reykjavik in October somewhere, sJarl.

First workout was really good though :D Except for Deadlifts, got to read up on a LOT of technique regarding DL : /

5x3 squats 50kg
5x3 bench 50kg
5x1 Deadlift 50kg

Deadlift had my knees flying all over the place, god damnit. Squatting feels real good though!
phyre, what are your current lifts?

Edit: I don't have lactose intolerance anymore, so i can start draining full fat milk aside of my creatin and protein. I still never learned to drink it though. How can I make milk taste less like milk? Don't want to 'man up' for 2 liters a day, every day.

3 sets of 5 reps
1-3 minutes between warm up sets
3-5 minutes between work sets

spread the knees to engage your glutes more. make sure they track over toes.

Choco milk is fine although make sure you brush your teeth

On July 12 2011 18:30 Sneakyz wrote:
1x5 140kg DL yesterday's workout, felt pretty good. Four plates next :D!
I'm thinking about buying one of those belt's, just to be safe, are there any cons of using one?


Belt are ok but only use them when you max. Belts basically help your core do the work, so obviously you dont want to use them all the time else your core will be weak
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
July 12 2011 12:22 GMT
#8663
On July 12 2011 18:45 geno wrote:
Anyone have some good suggestions for whey protein powder? I'm normally the type to avoid any type of supplemental stuff by nature (with the exception of Vitamin D and Calcium, of which I'm sure I don't get nearly enough normally), but I actually kind of see a real use for whey. My workouts occasionally finish at an awkward time where I find it difficult to fit in my normal choice of tuna/chicken sandwhiches + nuts / milk without screwing with other meals. A nice simple protein shake/drink would probably help me to have consistent post-workout nutrition.

Additionally, is there anything else I should be considering on this front? For some reason, I just instinctively think of all other powders and supplements as manufactured placebos. Or at best, not worth their cost in that they may provide spot gains, but long-term there is little need to worry about them, particularly with decent nutrition. The only exception may be fish oil stuff but even for that, I don't know what it does and it seems pretty expensive . Am I wrong about this?

Have heard good stuff about this site as I posted a few pages ago:
http://www.trueprotein.com/Default.aspx

You can always milk it up instead cause milk is consistently as good as most workout supplements (and milk has whey in it.... they get whey from milk).

Yeah, if you're eating fairly well you probably don't need fish oil.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
July 12 2011 12:23 GMT
#8664
On July 12 2011 20:01 Energies wrote:
Arrgh, the nutrition aspect has started for me.
At the end of these twelve weeks I'm going to hate chicken, salmon and cottage cheese.

Had a non-stop headache today, I put it to the sudden stoppage of carbs over the last couple of days, or perhaps a tumour.

Edit: Weird questions maybe.. can alcohol withdrawal cause headaches?


Could be either...

You know you don't have to stick on chicken/salmon/cottage cheese

There's other good foods if you're trying to low carb it. Beef/lamb/etc., eggs, coconut milk, avocados, etc.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
vicariouscheese
Profile Joined June 2010
United States589 Posts
July 12 2011 13:16 GMT
#8665
On July 12 2011 20:59 inimenesc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2011 15:57 inimenesc wrote:
Rain :/

So what to do if i cant go to gym or do any cardio because i hate getting wet. I just have my floor and my body, cant even do pullups in my home. Anyone has a routine they are doing like this? I would love to have it for more rainy days.

It might dry out, but just in case!

Also, should i buy multivitamins? When i googled it in estonian like 5 first articles were that they dont work.

Sameless selfquote

Weather still sucks and i dont know anything about vitamins.


Buy an umbrella?

Vitamins are ok, like eshlow said you want it to come from natural foods but a lot of us are supplementing with vitamin d pills and fish oil.
inimenesc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Estonia374 Posts
July 12 2011 13:22 GMT
#8666
Rain sucks because i fear of my skiis in rain. Going to run today instead then, about 1h equals my 2h of skiing i think, some uphill will be added too.

Going to go to some pharmasist(hell i didnt write that word right) and ask what they have.
"When game is going full retard, you can only go with it. If you start going against it, if you start going half retard, you´re fucking done for." -n0tail 2014
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
July 12 2011 13:50 GMT
#8667
Yes! Good day yesterday.

3x5 squat ass to grass 105kg Ezez pz! :D
3x10 press (not a barbell? It was a smaller version of a barbell. Dunno it's weight )
1x5 130kg deadlift felt so ez that I went and did..
1x1 140kg felt solid. Really solid. Going for 150kg next time

Also, first almost complete night sleep. Yay for me
CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15355 Posts
July 12 2011 15:16 GMT
#8668
On July 12 2011 21:22 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2011 18:45 geno wrote:
Anyone have some good suggestions for whey protein powder? I'm normally the type to avoid any type of supplemental stuff by nature (with the exception of Vitamin D and Calcium, of which I'm sure I don't get nearly enough normally), but I actually kind of see a real use for whey. My workouts occasionally finish at an awkward time where I find it difficult to fit in my normal choice of tuna/chicken sandwhiches + nuts / milk without screwing with other meals. A nice simple protein shake/drink would probably help me to have consistent post-workout nutrition.

Additionally, is there anything else I should be considering on this front? For some reason, I just instinctively think of all other powders and supplements as manufactured placebos. Or at best, not worth their cost in that they may provide spot gains, but long-term there is little need to worry about them, particularly with decent nutrition. The only exception may be fish oil stuff but even for that, I don't know what it does and it seems pretty expensive . Am I wrong about this?

Have heard good stuff about this site as I posted a few pages ago:
http://www.trueprotein.com/Default.aspx

You can always milk it up instead cause milk is consistently as good as most workout supplements (and milk has whey in it.... they get whey from milk).

Yeah, if you're eating fairly well you probably don't need fish oil.

Since I want to improve recovery as well:

1. Can you give me some idea about the amount of milk your are tlaking about post workout? I'd rather have milk than supplements too. How critical is time? If I am home an hour after gym, is that still "post workout"? What else in food can you recommend?

2. What's the deal with whole milk vs low fat / skim milk? I saw a lot of talk about that. I haven't been drinking milk since I was little, and can barely drink cold low fat now. Whole milk tastes borderline revolting to me. What is the difference and how big is it?
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ModernAgeShaman
Profile Joined January 2008
Norway484 Posts
July 12 2011 16:29 GMT
#8669
On July 13 2011 00:16 zatic wrote:
2. What's the deal with whole milk vs low fat / skim milk? I saw a lot of talk about that. I haven't been drinking milk since I was little, and can barely drink cold low fat now. Whole milk tastes borderline revolting to me. What is the difference and how big is it?


read the labels on the cartons, they will explain the mystery. whole milk is typically 3-4% fat while skimmed milk is ~0.1% and low fat is somewhere inbetween (varies based on producer and you can generally find a range of fat %'s).

eshlow has linked many studies that seem to indicate that whole milk is overall healthy, but I have yet to see one that actually shows a comparison of whole vs skim.
bunnymuncher
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada112 Posts
July 12 2011 17:11 GMT
#8670
Matt/Bunnymuncher
Age: 17 || Height: 5'10" || Weight: 135lbs
Starting Date: Recent past || Goal Date: July 5, 2015 (my birthday the summer after i graduate undergrad)
Weight goals -- 170
Training goals -- 4-5 workouts per week
Nutrition goals -- Eat more
Misc goals -- Overall great shape and healthy lifestyle. My problem currently is that i dont eat enough due to my weak stomach (lol).
inimenesc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Estonia374 Posts
July 12 2011 17:28 GMT
#8671


What just happend?

Great workouts with just 2 bars basically. Loved his pullups..or can i even call them that?
"When game is going full retard, you can only go with it. If you start going against it, if you start going half retard, you´re fucking done for." -n0tail 2014
Dalguno
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2446 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-12 18:58:31
July 12 2011 18:28 GMT
#8672
The temptations to eat grains are hitting hard today, must resist!

Edit: Crushed those temptations with a huge salad
"I'm gonna keep making drones cause I'm a baller, and ballers make drones." -Snute
shinosai
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1577 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-12 19:14:22
July 12 2011 19:12 GMT
#8673
I've come here today to give more depressing news... my school newspaper. I hate it. They constantly publish the most retarded articles. Check this article out.

http://redandblack.com/2011/07/07/stop-making-big-deal-about-big-people/

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When I was eight, I was put on my first diet.

My parents and grandparents recently begun to express horror after a tonsillectomy ended a life-long struggle with near-constant illness. My tonsils had weakened my immune system, and then they were gone.

Suddenly, I could eat again, and run and play again without feeling like I was dying.

And because of that, I wasn’t rail-thin anymore.

Enter dieting.

Throughout 21 years, I’ve counted calories, sweated to exercise tapes, tried yoga and given up meat. I’ve had relatives mock me while I eat and approach me with tear-brimmed eyes, as if I were a rotting, leathery, quadriplegic elephant.

I don’t diet anymore. I still struggle with food and body image, but you won’t see me near Curves or Weight Watchers. Dieting never changed anything. It’s unhealthy and not worth it.

But I’ve still got people telling me I’m killing myself.

A recent study from the University of Washington found that the average lifespan for American women living in the Southeast sagged between 2000 and 2007. In some counties, female lifespan shed by just under two years.

And though the researchers are still attempting to find the reason for the decline, they’ve already levied an accusation against obesity and smoking.

This, despite other experts who say poverty and migration may account for the change (“Study: Lifespan sank in hundreds of US counties,” June 15, 2011).

There’s also some evidence that people have a predetermined weight they will always return to, and that obesity has little to do with health problems such as heart disease (the BBC documentary,

“Why are Thin People Not Fat,” and “Separate and combined associations of body-mass index and abdominal adiposity with cardiovascular disease,” March 11, 2011).

So why point a finger at the fatties? Easy — we’re at war with obesity.

It’s easy to blame a shorter lifespan on “overweight” people — overweight being a word that indicates there is a correct weight — when we already blame them for increased health care costs, global warming and the food-shortage crisis.

It fits nicely with our fat-obsessed societal panic, in which the “War on Fat” convinces people that smaller waistlines equal healthier bodies. Meanwhile, Michelle Obama’s crusades to help fat kids haven’t changed the fact that it’s still more expensive to buy organic than it is to buy honeybuns.

So when a university blames shorter lifespan on those living large, I’m not surprised.

That kind of guilt is akin to the “big as a house” comments I’ve received from family members munching on platefuls of fried food.

But I’m not ready to accept my pant-size as responsible for any pandemics, and I won’t accept the number on the scales as a seal on my fate.

Finding an easy scapegoat for any real or perceived health problem in America doesn’t actually make the problem go away.

Instead, it can make your perceived problem worse. People who lose weight while dieting are likely to gain it back, plus a few pounds (“Weight Science: Evaluating the Evidence for a Paradigm Shift,” Jan. 24, 2011).

And when the weight of society’s ills are placed on undeserving shoulders, people are more likely to encounter new problems. For example, some people starve themselves “for their health.”

It’s easy to blame society for all this misplaced guilt, but blame just perpetuates the cycle.

So if you’re actually interested in lengthening life, take some responsibility. Stop talking about bodies. Start talking about health.

Being the bigger person could be as easy as not judging the person who’s bigger than you.


Some excerpts:

"I don’t diet anymore. I still struggle with food and body image, but you won’t see me near Curves or Weight Watchers. Dieting never changed anything. It’s unhealthy and not worth it."

"There’s also some evidence that people have a predetermined weight they will always return to, and that obesity has little to do with health problems such as heart disease (the BBC documentary,"

"But I’m not ready to accept my pant-size as responsible for any pandemics, and I won’t accept the number on the scales as a seal on my fate."

"Throughout 21 years, I’ve counted calories, sweated to exercise tapes, tried yoga and given up meat."

Wow, this person has gone through A LOT of effort to rationalize their bad health. My guess: She believed that eating 1500 calories below maintenance, giving up meat, and doing some yoga would solve her weight problems. When she failed, she began to make up reasons to herself as to why being fat isn't such a big deal and why dieting is bad. Someone should've told her to try paleo.
Be versatile, know when to retreat, and carry a big gun.
Onyx_Knight
Profile Joined May 2011
29 Posts
July 12 2011 19:44 GMT
#8674
Hey Eshlow! Thanks for the help, that one thing you suggested with the write up, was it. The inflamation of the cartlidge or w/e =O Caused by a viral thing working with a slight cold I seemed to get. Thanks again!
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
July 12 2011 20:48 GMT
#8675
On July 13 2011 00:16 zatic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2011 21:22 eshlow wrote:
On July 12 2011 18:45 geno wrote:
Anyone have some good suggestions for whey protein powder? I'm normally the type to avoid any type of supplemental stuff by nature (with the exception of Vitamin D and Calcium, of which I'm sure I don't get nearly enough normally), but I actually kind of see a real use for whey. My workouts occasionally finish at an awkward time where I find it difficult to fit in my normal choice of tuna/chicken sandwhiches + nuts / milk without screwing with other meals. A nice simple protein shake/drink would probably help me to have consistent post-workout nutrition.

Additionally, is there anything else I should be considering on this front? For some reason, I just instinctively think of all other powders and supplements as manufactured placebos. Or at best, not worth their cost in that they may provide spot gains, but long-term there is little need to worry about them, particularly with decent nutrition. The only exception may be fish oil stuff but even for that, I don't know what it does and it seems pretty expensive . Am I wrong about this?

Have heard good stuff about this site as I posted a few pages ago:
http://www.trueprotein.com/Default.aspx

You can always milk it up instead cause milk is consistently as good as most workout supplements (and milk has whey in it.... they get whey from milk).

Yeah, if you're eating fairly well you probably don't need fish oil.

Since I want to improve recovery as well:

1. Can you give me some idea about the amount of milk your are tlaking about post workout? I'd rather have milk than supplements too. How critical is time? If I am home an hour after gym, is that still "post workout"? What else in food can you recommend?

2. What's the deal with whole milk vs low fat / skim milk? I saw a lot of talk about that. I haven't been drinking milk since I was little, and can barely drink cold low fat now. Whole milk tastes borderline revolting to me. What is the difference and how big is it?


1. Couple hundred kcals of milk or more. Basically, enough to get adequate protein and nutrients in until you can eat a meal.

As far as food simple carbs like sweet potatoes works great in conjunction with any type of proteins.

TBH, time doesn't really matter that much but generally you wanna go within about 30 minutes. Most hardcore people will say take it right after you finish your first set (or even peri workout).

I'd say it's maybe a couple percentage points at best on overall performance/muscle gain. Not too noticable short term but will manifest eventually in long term

2. Um, see this post:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=180919&currentpage=292

If you're not intolerant to milk you can get choco milk instead or add your own chocolate mix to whole milk.


On July 13 2011 01:29 Sinep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 00:16 zatic wrote:
2. What's the deal with whole milk vs low fat / skim milk? I saw a lot of talk about that. I haven't been drinking milk since I was little, and can barely drink cold low fat now. Whole milk tastes borderline revolting to me. What is the difference and how big is it?


read the labels on the cartons, they will explain the mystery. whole milk is typically 3-4% fat while skimmed milk is ~0.1% and low fat is somewhere inbetween (varies based on producer and you can generally find a range of fat %'s).

eshlow has linked many studies that seem to indicate that whole milk is overall healthy, but I have yet to see one that actually shows a comparison of whole vs skim.


The majority of fat in milk is saturated fat which is why I posted the saturated fat links with the milk studies I posted above.

I don't think there are any studies on whole vs. skim in terms of health, but there are studies on whole vs skim in terms of protein synthesis.

Whole outperforms skim. Choco milk also outperforms most PWO supplements too.


On July 13 2011 04:44 Onyx_Knight wrote:
Hey Eshlow! Thanks for the help, that one thing you suggested with the write up, was it. The inflamation of the cartlidge or w/e =O Caused by a viral thing working with a slight cold I seemed to get. Thanks again!


Ah, that's good its not heart issue. I guess just let it heal and follow some of the stuff in the write up.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
July 12 2011 21:06 GMT
#8676
On July 13 2011 03:28 Dalguno wrote:
The temptations to eat grains are hitting hard today, must resist!

Edit: Crushed those temptations with a huge salad


Longer you're away from them, the less you'll have that temptation. I suggest eating a whole grain subway sub, or something similar after about a month off gluten - the feeling you get will make you never want to touch grains again. Then again, I'm the kind of guy who can eat literally the same thing every day for two months and not have a problem with it.

On July 12 2011 18:45 geno wrote:
Anyone have some good suggestions for whey protein powder? I'm normally the type to avoid any type of supplemental stuff by nature (with the exception of Vitamin D and Calcium, of which I'm sure I don't get nearly enough normally), but I actually kind of see a real use for whey. My workouts occasionally finish at an awkward time where I find it difficult to fit in my normal choice of tuna/chicken sandwhiches + nuts / milk without screwing with other meals. A nice simple protein shake/drink would probably help me to have consistent post-workout nutrition.

Additionally, is there anything else I should be considering on this front? For some reason, I just instinctively think of all other powders and supplements as manufactured placebos. Or at best, not worth their cost in that they may provide spot gains, but long-term there is little need to worry about them, particularly with decent nutrition. The only exception may be fish oil stuff but even for that, I don't know what it does and it seems pretty expensive . Am I wrong about this?


Fish Oil is a supplement to take if you're getting too many omega-6 fats in your diet; grain fed meats, and lots of processed seed oils have too much omega-6 and not enough omega-3, which throws off the balance between the two that your body needs. Correcting that ratio (either add fish oil, or cut down on omega-6's) has been pretty extensively studied, and is very good for your heart, blood, blood pressure, etc.

On July 13 2011 00:16 zatic wrote:
Since I want to improve recovery as well:

1. Can you give me some idea about the amount of milk your are tlaking about post workout? I'd rather have milk than supplements too. How critical is time? If I am home an hour after gym, is that still "post workout"? What else in food can you recommend?

2. What's the deal with whole milk vs low fat / skim milk? I saw a lot of talk about that. I haven't been drinking milk since I was little, and can barely drink cold low fat now. Whole milk tastes borderline revolting to me. What is the difference and how big is it?


Saturated fat is good. Whole milk is recommended because saturated fat is good, and whole milk is therefore easy, healthy calories. If you're only looking for the protein, you should be alright with a lower-fat variety, but I'm no expert. Try full-fat chocolate if you can find it for post workout - it's probably easier to drink, and it's actually almost ideal for Post-WO nutrition.

Also, as far as post workout nutrition leangains has a fantastic article I read a while back... I'll see if I can dig it up.
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-12 22:10:08
July 12 2011 21:17 GMT
#8677
Hey guys I need some help with my squat form. It was really breaking down so I did some sets today with a lighter weight (55 kg) but it still shows the problems I'm having. The main thing is that I shift forward when moving up with the weight and it turns into a bit of 'squat morning'. It's not as pronounced with the lower weight but it's still pretty obvious.
Ignore the gay music and the drenched pants from the pouring rain outside

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I really think it's a technique issue as I'm deadlifting 125kg 1x5 pretty easy at the moment. I hope you guys can give me some tips .
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
July 12 2011 21:25 GMT
#8678
On July 13 2011 04:12 shinosai wrote:
I've come here today to give more depressing news... my school newspaper. I hate it. They constantly publish the most retarded articles. Check this article out.

http://redandblack.com/2011/07/07/stop-making-big-deal-about-big-people/

+ Show Spoiler +
When I was eight, I was put on my first diet.

My parents and grandparents recently begun to express horror after a tonsillectomy ended a life-long struggle with near-constant illness. My tonsils had weakened my immune system, and then they were gone.

Suddenly, I could eat again, and run and play again without feeling like I was dying.

And because of that, I wasn’t rail-thin anymore.

Enter dieting.

Throughout 21 years, I’ve counted calories, sweated to exercise tapes, tried yoga and given up meat. I’ve had relatives mock me while I eat and approach me with tear-brimmed eyes, as if I were a rotting, leathery, quadriplegic elephant.

I don’t diet anymore. I still struggle with food and body image, but you won’t see me near Curves or Weight Watchers. Dieting never changed anything. It’s unhealthy and not worth it.

But I’ve still got people telling me I’m killing myself.

A recent study from the University of Washington found that the average lifespan for American women living in the Southeast sagged between 2000 and 2007. In some counties, female lifespan shed by just under two years.

And though the researchers are still attempting to find the reason for the decline, they’ve already levied an accusation against obesity and smoking.

This, despite other experts who say poverty and migration may account for the change (“Study: Lifespan sank in hundreds of US counties,” June 15, 2011).

There’s also some evidence that people have a predetermined weight they will always return to, and that obesity has little to do with health problems such as heart disease (the BBC documentary,

“Why are Thin People Not Fat,” and “Separate and combined associations of body-mass index and abdominal adiposity with cardiovascular disease,” March 11, 2011).

So why point a finger at the fatties? Easy — we’re at war with obesity.

It’s easy to blame a shorter lifespan on “overweight” people — overweight being a word that indicates there is a correct weight — when we already blame them for increased health care costs, global warming and the food-shortage crisis.

It fits nicely with our fat-obsessed societal panic, in which the “War on Fat” convinces people that smaller waistlines equal healthier bodies. Meanwhile, Michelle Obama’s crusades to help fat kids haven’t changed the fact that it’s still more expensive to buy organic than it is to buy honeybuns.

So when a university blames shorter lifespan on those living large, I’m not surprised.

That kind of guilt is akin to the “big as a house” comments I’ve received from family members munching on platefuls of fried food.

But I’m not ready to accept my pant-size as responsible for any pandemics, and I won’t accept the number on the scales as a seal on my fate.

Finding an easy scapegoat for any real or perceived health problem in America doesn’t actually make the problem go away.

Instead, it can make your perceived problem worse. People who lose weight while dieting are likely to gain it back, plus a few pounds (“Weight Science: Evaluating the Evidence for a Paradigm Shift,” Jan. 24, 2011).

And when the weight of society’s ills are placed on undeserving shoulders, people are more likely to encounter new problems. For example, some people starve themselves “for their health.”

It’s easy to blame society for all this misplaced guilt, but blame just perpetuates the cycle.

So if you’re actually interested in lengthening life, take some responsibility. Stop talking about bodies. Start talking about health.

Being the bigger person could be as easy as not judging the person who’s bigger than you.


Some excerpts:

"I don’t diet anymore. I still struggle with food and body image, but you won’t see me near Curves or Weight Watchers. Dieting never changed anything. It’s unhealthy and not worth it."

"There’s also some evidence that people have a predetermined weight they will always return to, and that obesity has little to do with health problems such as heart disease (the BBC documentary,"

"But I’m not ready to accept my pant-size as responsible for any pandemics, and I won’t accept the number on the scales as a seal on my fate."

"Throughout 21 years, I’ve counted calories, sweated to exercise tapes, tried yoga and given up meat."

Wow, this person has gone through A LOT of effort to rationalize their bad health. My guess: She believed that eating 1500 calories below maintenance, giving up meat, and doing some yoga would solve her weight problems. When she failed, she began to make up reasons to herself as to why being fat isn't such a big deal and why dieting is bad. Someone should've told her to try paleo.


I'm not entirely sure why gaining or losing weight is perceived as a complicated endeavour. Certainly I had that belief as well, not sure from where, but it was so wrong :< Presumably you are at a constant weight X (X may be super thin, like I was at 5'8 125, or super fat). Figure out how much you eat. If you want to gain weight, add a 500kcal snack somewhere (I did it before going to sleep). If you want to lose weight, cut a 500kcal snack somewhere, or if you don't snack, cut down on a portion on one of your meals.

I dunno, short of a medically diagnosed condition by an actual doctor, gaining or losing weight shouldn't be hard for anyone imho.
Although to be fair, I haven't tried to lose weight yet (will soon!), but I don't anticipate it will be any more difficult than gaining weight was, once I figured out I had to eat more.
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20078 Posts
July 12 2011 21:41 GMT
#8679
On July 13 2011 04:12 shinosai wrote:
I've come here today to give more depressing news... my school newspaper. I hate it. They constantly publish the most retarded articles. Check this article out.

http://redandblack.com/2011/07/07/stop-making-big-deal-about-big-people/

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When I was eight, I was put on my first diet.

My parents and grandparents recently begun to express horror after a tonsillectomy ended a life-long struggle with near-constant illness. My tonsils had weakened my immune system, and then they were gone.

Suddenly, I could eat again, and run and play again without feeling like I was dying.

And because of that, I wasn’t rail-thin anymore.

Enter dieting.

Throughout 21 years, I’ve counted calories, sweated to exercise tapes, tried yoga and given up meat. I’ve had relatives mock me while I eat and approach me with tear-brimmed eyes, as if I were a rotting, leathery, quadriplegic elephant.

I don’t diet anymore. I still struggle with food and body image, but you won’t see me near Curves or Weight Watchers. Dieting never changed anything. It’s unhealthy and not worth it.

But I’ve still got people telling me I’m killing myself.

A recent study from the University of Washington found that the average lifespan for American women living in the Southeast sagged between 2000 and 2007. In some counties, female lifespan shed by just under two years.

And though the researchers are still attempting to find the reason for the decline, they’ve already levied an accusation against obesity and smoking.

This, despite other experts who say poverty and migration may account for the change (“Study: Lifespan sank in hundreds of US counties,” June 15, 2011).

There’s also some evidence that people have a predetermined weight they will always return to, and that obesity has little to do with health problems such as heart disease (the BBC documentary,

“Why are Thin People Not Fat,” and “Separate and combined associations of body-mass index and abdominal adiposity with cardiovascular disease,” March 11, 2011).

So why point a finger at the fatties? Easy — we’re at war with obesity.

It’s easy to blame a shorter lifespan on “overweight” people — overweight being a word that indicates there is a correct weight — when we already blame them for increased health care costs, global warming and the food-shortage crisis.

It fits nicely with our fat-obsessed societal panic, in which the “War on Fat” convinces people that smaller waistlines equal healthier bodies. Meanwhile, Michelle Obama’s crusades to help fat kids haven’t changed the fact that it’s still more expensive to buy organic than it is to buy honeybuns.

So when a university blames shorter lifespan on those living large, I’m not surprised.

That kind of guilt is akin to the “big as a house” comments I’ve received from family members munching on platefuls of fried food.

But I’m not ready to accept my pant-size as responsible for any pandemics, and I won’t accept the number on the scales as a seal on my fate.

Finding an easy scapegoat for any real or perceived health problem in America doesn’t actually make the problem go away.

Instead, it can make your perceived problem worse. People who lose weight while dieting are likely to gain it back, plus a few pounds (“Weight Science: Evaluating the Evidence for a Paradigm Shift,” Jan. 24, 2011).

And when the weight of society’s ills are placed on undeserving shoulders, people are more likely to encounter new problems. For example, some people starve themselves “for their health.”

It’s easy to blame society for all this misplaced guilt, but blame just perpetuates the cycle.

So if you’re actually interested in lengthening life, take some responsibility. Stop talking about bodies. Start talking about health.

Being the bigger person could be as easy as not judging the person who’s bigger than you.


Some excerpts:

"I don’t diet anymore. I still struggle with food and body image, but you won’t see me near Curves or Weight Watchers. Dieting never changed anything. It’s unhealthy and not worth it."

"There’s also some evidence that people have a predetermined weight they will always return to, and that obesity has little to do with health problems such as heart disease (the BBC documentary,"

"But I’m not ready to accept my pant-size as responsible for any pandemics, and I won’t accept the number on the scales as a seal on my fate."

"Throughout 21 years, I’ve counted calories, sweated to exercise tapes, tried yoga and given up meat."

Wow, this person has gone through A LOT of effort to rationalize their bad health. My guess: She believed that eating 1500 calories below maintenance, giving up meat, and doing some yoga would solve her weight problems. When she failed, she began to make up reasons to herself as to why being fat isn't such a big deal and why dieting is bad. Someone should've told her to try paleo.


Must...not...rage...
*looking up flights to georgia to smack this person.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-12 21:58:49
July 12 2011 21:53 GMT
#8680
On July 12 2011 07:29 xJupiter9x wrote:
Got bored today. I didn't have a scheduled workout through Smolov. so i just decided to do some light Oly work. Many videos to come =) Uploading them now that I am back from the gym. Also, Depending on what time I am working on Friday, I will either test my back squat max Thursday or Friday
+ Show Spoiler +
Snatches






C&J

Front Squat




power snatches look smooth, nice flat footed pull haha. On the power clean your 2nd pull is a little bit too early. You want to have the bar brush the top of your thigh. Jerk looked fast and explosive. It might be your style, but I would like to see that front foot out a little more. I would like to see more videos of the jerk.

Also videos from a 45 degree angle would be great! You are looking good catch . Where do u live btw? maybe u can find a olympic weightlifting gym.
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
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