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decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20158 Posts
July 04 2011 15:36 GMT
#8281
@Energies - Congrats on taking control! Hope you've got another job lined up :-p

On July 04 2011 13:53 Froadac wrote:
Too busy to update. Press and bench nearing 100lbs. 145 squat. 160 dl.

122 pounds. Up from 98 when I started.

Oh. And my row is at like 100.


Damn son sick progress. A month ago i would have been thoroughly convinced holding 100 pounds over your head would have crushed you. keep being awesome.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-04 17:02:14
July 04 2011 15:38 GMT
#8282
gl energies (btw ur other name was better. )

also gj froadac

2 weeks until nationals, so next week will be very heavy. I will update on my progress.

After nationals I will try to increase my workload, I need to get stronger.
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
July 04 2011 17:41 GMT
#8283
On July 05 2011 00:09 MajinMojo wrote:
@Froadac; Shit dude your OHP is monstrous! Good work man!

@Dalguno; you asked my like 15 pages back if I'd ever used Vibram 5-fingers. Yes, they are what I normally wear for running and lifting. But I went on vacation and didn't pack them because I had just run in them before leaving and were gross LOL. I got some blisters on my toes now from 100% barefoot run on Sat.

My friend is looking for a good bench routine. I've been subtly (or not so subtly) trying to steer him towards squatting and deadlifting. But he's been wanting to reach a 1.5 BW bench before the end of the summer. He's 210lbs now and benches ~250lbs iirc. Any good routine for increasing bench? I think I've sold him on starting to to deadlifts too. Still working on squat but that might take a while. He'd be an amazing squatter if he were to start it though.


If he's looking to increase primarily on his 5rm, I'd heard good things about "Smolov Jr" for bench. One month cycle for 30-40 pound increase. That's all I can suggest though, maybe someone else knows more about lift-specific routines.

Gym is closed today for 4th of July, and I'm already not feeling well because of the amount of bread/sugar based things I ate at yesterday's party. I'll try to avoid it today, and prepare to go all out tomorrow.

I think I'd listed my split already, but I suppose I'll post it here to see if you all have suggestions... I'll edit it in in a minute.
Catch
Profile Joined September 2010
United States616 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-04 17:54:05
July 04 2011 17:51 GMT
#8284
Rack Pulls
295 x 5-5-5

Rows
120 x 10-10-10

Low Incline DB Bench Press
60 x 5-5-5

Incline Flies
30 lbs x 12-12-12

Seated Calves
90 lbs x 15-15-15

Full Decline Sit up
BW + 45 lb plate x 10-10-10
---
Fun session, may go for three plates next time or just go to 300 on the rack pulls. My rows were a lot better this time, although I don't think I was as parallel as before. But now I like them better anyway, so I'll keep it that way. Learning to get the DB's up for bench is going kinda well; sometimes I can swing em up perfectly but other times I struggle to get them into position.

@Dimsum: I was playing some sc2 the other day and saw somebody with the name dimsum; I asked but it wasn't you xD

But wouldn't you normally go light the week before a meet to give your body a rest? I've always been curious on this lol

Edit: I meant to say this before when I hit 55 pound dumbbells, but my gym has it set up so that the dumbbells are in three sections. It starts from like 5 and goes to 20/25, then the next section is 25-50 and the last section is 55-100/105.

I'm so pumped because I finally moved up to that third and final section. When I used to lift before I was stuck in the the middle one, but now I've moved on up! Hell yeah, now to rock the shit out of this one.
Victory Loves Preparation
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
July 04 2011 17:53 GMT
#8285
Epic fail. -15 pounds on all lifts, because as it turns out the bars at the gym are not full olympic.
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
July 04 2011 18:07 GMT
#8286
lol catch, I dont own sc2

Yeah the week before is easy, but 2 weeks before is where I have to test my openers.

by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
Zafrumi
Profile Joined June 2009
Switzerland1272 Posts
July 04 2011 18:10 GMT
#8287
so I think I figured out why my deadlift was bad this morning: i'm still sick. gonna bomb that shit with some vitamin D!

also, form check on my snatch (yes the shirt is too short. laundry day :p)

"Strong people are harder to kill than weak people and more useful in general" -Mark Rippetoe
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-04 18:26:33
July 04 2011 18:12 GMT
#8288
On July 04 2011 18:51 Ludrik wrote:
I've decided to get serious about mobility and stretching. Mobility WOD is currently at 57 pages so I'm going to try and work through a page a day until I'm caught up. Hopefully I'll be nice and limber by the time I'm done in about 3 months. I'm kind of inspired by the google talk eshlow posted a few pages back about working on mobility/body positioning at your desk.


Post a link to that google talk, if you have it handy? I could really use that... and I should probably look through the mobility WOD too.

Also my routine for criticism:
Push/pull working every other day. No double weekends off like in SS.

Push:
Flat bench 3x5
Squat 3x5
Push press 3x6-10
Standing calf raise 3x10-15
Slight incline DB bench 3x6-10

Core lifts are 3x5, and aim to increase weights linearly. Assistances are 3x8 as a guideline, increasing either weight or reps every workout, staying in the ranges provided.

Pull:
Deadlift 1x5
Hamstring curls 2x6-10
Good mornings 2x6-10
Barbell row 3x5
Pull ups 3x6-10 (weighted)
Curls 3x6-10


Also have a heavy abs routine that I do twice a week, and when I get more adjusted to the volume i'll be doing hiit on some of the off days. That's most of the reason for changing programs... I wanted more volume but to keep the spirit of ss.
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4736 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-04 19:17:31
July 04 2011 18:21 GMT
#8289
My completely untrained eyes tell me that these snatches looked pretty good, but your lower back seems to not be straight in the bottom position, so that is probably something you need to fix.

Also:
On July 04 2011 21:46 Zafrumi wrote:
I'm fat

LOL
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4736 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-04 18:37:54
July 04 2011 18:32 GMT
#8290
On July 05 2011 03:12 phyre112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2011 18:51 Ludrik wrote:
I've decided to get serious about mobility and stretching. Mobility WOD is currently at 57 pages so I'm going to try and work through a page a day until I'm caught up. Hopefully I'll be nice and limber by the time I'm done in about 3 months. I'm kind of inspired by the google talk eshlow posted a few pages back about working on mobility/body positioning at your desk.


Post a link to that google talk, if you have it handy? I could really use that... and I should probably look through the mobility WOD too.

Also my routine for criticism:
Push/pull working every other day. No double weekends off like in SS.

Push:
Flat bench 3x5
Squat 3x5
Push press 3x6-10
Standing calf raise 3x10-15
Slight incline DB bench 3x6-10

Core lifts are 3x5, and aim to increase weights linearly. Assistances are 3x8 as a guideline, increasing either weight or reps every workout, staying in the ranges provided.

Pull:
Deadlift 1x5
Hamstring curls 2x6-10
Good mornings 2x6-10
Barbell row 3x5
Pull ups 3x6-10 (weighted)


Also have a heavy abs routine that I do twice a week, and when I get more adjusted to the volume i'll be doing hiit on some of the off days. That's most of the reason for changing programs... I wanted more volume but to keep the spirit of ss.


I think that routine looks pretty good overall. I believe that hamstring curls should be pretty useless if you have deadlift and good mornings in the same routine, seems unneccessary to me. Second exercise I find pretty strange is calf raises, but maybe I am biased here. I just don't believe that exercise works for hypertrophy, I can only imagine them being usefull as a one-legged balance-exercise (that being said, standing calf-raises would at least justify the Smith Machine somehow ).
And I would probably do 5-8 reps on push presses and up the weight a little.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
Slithe
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States985 Posts
July 04 2011 18:39 GMT
#8291
On July 05 2011 02:53 Froadac wrote:
Epic fail. -15 pounds on all lifts, because as it turns out the bars at the gym are not full olympic.


Even with the -15 lb on the lifts, your progress is nothing to scoff at. You're doing really really well.
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-04 18:53:06
July 04 2011 18:49 GMT
#8292
On July 05 2011 03:32 Malinor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 03:12 phyre112 wrote:
On July 04 2011 18:51 Ludrik wrote:
I've decided to get serious about mobility and stretching. Mobility WOD is currently at 57 pages so I'm going to try and work through a page a day until I'm caught up. Hopefully I'll be nice and limber by the time I'm done in about 3 months. I'm kind of inspired by the google talk eshlow posted a few pages back about working on mobility/body positioning at your desk.


Post a link to that google talk, if you have it handy? I could really use that... and I should probably look through the mobility WOD too.

Also my routine for criticism:
Push/pull working every other day. No double weekends off like in SS.

Push:
Flat bench 3x5
Squat 3x5
Push press 3x6-10
Standing calf raise 3x10-15
Slight incline DB bench 3x6-10

Core lifts are 3x5, and aim to increase weights linearly. Assistances are 3x8 as a guideline, increasing either weight or reps every workout, staying in the ranges provided.

Pull:
Deadlift 1x5
Hamstring curls 2x6-10
Good mornings 2x6-10
Barbell row 3x5
Pull ups 3x6-10 (weighted)


Also have a heavy abs routine that I do twice a week, and when I get more adjusted to the volume i'll be doing hiit on some of the off days. That's most of the reason for changing programs... I wanted more volume but to keep the spirit of ss.


I think that routine looks pretty good overall. I believe that hamstring curls should be pretty useless if you have deadlift and good mornings in the same routine, seems unneccessary to me. Second exercise I find pretty strange is calf raises, but maybe I am biased here. I just don't believe that exercise works for hypertrophy, I can only imagine them being usefull as a one-legged balance-exercise (that being said, standing calf-raises would at least justify the Smith Machine somehow ).
And I would probably do 5-8 reps on push presses and up the weight a little.


You're probably right about hamstring curls; originally the routine was them, and weighted back extensions rather than the good mornings, which meant they were a little more necessary. Now though, I think they're just a holdover that I hadn't bothered to think about.

On the calves, tthats more a strength thing. They're always sore after I play basketball, and it's either a flexibility or a strength thing. I'm working on both aspects right now, so hopefully that solves it. On the push presses, i'm very new to doing them, so i'll definitely play around with weight/volume. Thanks for the tips.
Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
July 04 2011 18:54 GMT
#8293
On July 04 2011 21:46 Zafrumi wrote:
I'm fat

Yeah right >_>
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-04 19:53:35
July 04 2011 19:06 GMT
#8294
today in our national pharmacy, Boots, i saw they were selling these Family Doctor books,
http://www.familydoctor.co.uk/family-doctor-books.html

i picked up the one titled Cholesterol and read for a while

it went on about how cholesterol is responsible for CVD and how dietry fat is responsible for cholesterol.

once i got to the section about diet, it said diets like Atkins were ill advised, and you want a diet with low fat intake.

i found ONE SINGLE line in the book, in the paragraph about Fish Oil, which said "[fish oil] has been shown to reduce inflammation, which reduces the build-up of plague [...]".

i was like NO SHIT, so maybe you should be writing about how to reduce inflammation rather than how to reduce the levels of plague in the blood/chloestreol/whatever??

it then went on to say, in another paragraph, the evidence supporting Anti-inflammitories (or maybe it said anti-oxidants) is neither here nor there.

this pharmacy is my countries number 1 store for all health and beauty, there is at least one in every single town. the book boasted having sold 5 million copies (btw the date on it was 2008 afaik).



i have a friend at work who is very interested in nutrition and i want to get her to read some of eshlows things. she absolutely avoids all meat because she believes it causes heart disease etc etc. the good thing is i think she would actually read the updated articles if i got her to come online. when i told her about it she was 100% skeptical and said lots of people are trying to make money off of different ideas like this. which is a good thing for her to say but then, she also said she can detect electro-magnetic fields using a dowsing stick (and would like to demonstrate it to me) :D
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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-04 20:02:38
July 04 2011 20:00 GMT
#8295
On July 05 2011 04:06 FFGenerations wrote:
today in our national pharmacy, Boots, i saw they were selling these Family Doctor books,
http://www.familydoctor.co.uk/family-doctor-books.html

i picked up the one titled Cholesterol and read for a while

it went on about how cholesterol is responsible for CVD and how dietry fat is responsible for cholesterol.

once i got to the section about diet, it said diets like Atkins were ill advised, and you want a diet with low fat intake.

i found ONE SINGLE line in the book, in the paragraph about Fish Oil, which said "[fish oil] has been shown to reduce inflammation, which reduces the build-up of plague [...]".

i was like NO SHIT, so maybe you should be writing about how to reduce inflammation rather than how to reduce the levels of plague in the blood/chloestreol/whatever??

it then went on to say, in another paragraph, the evidence supporting Anti-inflammitories (or maybe it said anti-oxidants) is neither here nor there.

this pharmacy is my countries number 1 store for all health and beauty, there is at least one in every single town. the book boasted having sold 5 million copies (btw the date on it was 2008 afaik).



i have a friend at work who is very interested in nutrition and i want to get her to read some of eshlows things. she absolutely avoids all meat because she believes it causes heart disease etc etc. the good thing is i think she would actually read the updated articles if i got her to come online. when i told her about it she was 100% skeptical and said lots of people are trying to make money off of different ideas like this. which is a good thing for her to say but then, she also said she can detect electro-magnetic fields using a dowsing stick (and would like to demonstrate it to me) :D


If I had to send people to one site to read stuff on the web it would probably be Stephan's whole health source

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/


Also,
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11965522

Should sufficient prove that meat itself is not atherogenic

I also had a meta somewhere that showed it was processed meat not red meat that had increases in cancer and cardiovascular disease.... maybe I'll search around for it
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decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20158 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-04 20:16:54
July 04 2011 20:16 GMT
#8296
@Zafrumi - looks pretty good, add some more weight and take another vid!

@phyre - why bench before squats? And no powercleans? Don't you want huge traps and back?!
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Razvy
Profile Joined January 2011
United States132 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-04 20:38:41
July 04 2011 20:36 GMT
#8297
On May 31 2011 01:21 Razvy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 01:25 Razvy wrote:
On March 27 2011 08:15 Razvy wrote:
Hi there. I had a pretty intense self realization over the last few weeks, and it's led me to make some pretty significant changes in my life. I'm probably not going to be updating myself in this thread every week, but I do want to put down what I started at.

There is so much information at the front of this thread that I'm going to go back and read it all, but I wanted to get this down first.

Razvy

Age: 27 || Height: 6'2" || Weight: 315lbs

Starting Date: 03/22/11 || Goal Date: 09/22/11

Weight goals -- I want to be much skinnier in 6 months. I've always been a 'big guy', but I didn't start getting 'fat' until ~5 years ago. I've honestly never attempted to go on a diet before. I've never been to a gym. I simply don't know where to start, so I choose to start with Cardio, and lots of it.

Training goals -- I've started out walking 2 miles a day every day this week. I plan on doing that every day for a month. Then I plan on jogging that 2 miles every day for a month. Adding more distance when I feel comfortable, eventually to at least 3.2 miles. Then I plan to add riding my bike to work every day it's nice enough to do that out (10 mile round trip).

Nutrition goals -- I don't have specific nutrition goals yet... I currently work overnights at a gas station, and before this week I'd drink ~100 oz of soda a night easily. I've more or less quit that cold turkey, replacing it with coffee and water, and getting by fine. I still think I need caffiene somehow, and coffee is the 'most healthy' thing I can get for free. Aside from that, no more fast food, much less snacking, and smaller portions around the board.

Misc goals -- 5k fun run in the middle of September I plan winning. Ok, not winning, but I plan on doing my best in it.

Quit Smoking. I smoked ~3-4 packs a week, but I've been clean for 7 days now, and have very little desire to start again. I don't foresee this to be a problem.


Almost 3 Week update: Lost ~15 pounds so far. The bathroom scale I bought when I started this thing is pretty shitty, one time I weighed myself right before I went to sleep and once again right when I woke up and it said I lost 7 pounds... Either way I think the standard deviation right now is about 15 pounds, so that's what I'll stick with.

Still walking 2-3 miles a day, going to start Jogging that soon. Still haven't had a drop of soda, but my stupid jerk brother bought me $40 in gift cards to Subway for my birthday... I guess once a week for one of their 'healthy' subs wouldn't be too bad. Hey, it worked for Jared right?

Still enthusiastic about what I'm doing... It's changing other areas of my life too... I recently decided to go back to school after dropping out 6 years ago... I'm 27 now, and school starts in September, time to go hit on all the cute 18 year old freshman with my new and improved much less fat body. Heh Heh, allllllll riiiiiiiight!


2 month update!

Lost ~30 pounds. Not much else has changed. I've recently become a little less strict with my plan... I'm still walking, but I never started jogging... I'm such a terrible person.

I also allow myself to get fast food once a week now... Just a subway footlong sub with a non-diet Dr. Pepper. Seems to help me from going crazy. But yeah, good times.


A little over 3 months in now... 40 pounds lighter. About a week after my last post in this thread I actually did follow through and start jogging like I was supposed to. 5 times a week for just under 3 miles... The downside is that I'm so fat and out of shape I actually can't run that entire distance yet, so I run until I can't, then walk until I think I can run and repeat until I'm done. It takes just under 45 minutes usually.

I've found that I keep on falling into a familiar trap of not pushing myself harder... For example I'll pick out a small goal ('I know I can run at least until that tree way up there, I'm not stopping until I get there'), but every day I keep doing the SAME goal, I need to push myself to do more and go further then to just do the same walk/run exercise every day.

I also think I hurt myself, but I don't know for sure... My left leg seems to revolt against all this exercise, the first week my calf hurt pretty bad, but that went away. The second week my hip hurt pretty bad, but that went away. And the 3rd week the heel of my foot hurts like hell. That hasn't gone away (2 weeks now) yet... I took all last week off from running too because I physically wouldn't be able to do it. Walking is fine, I can still feel the pain but its more of a slight annoyance then an 'OH GOD MAKE IT STOP' like when I was jogging. I should probably invest in good shoes instead of my normal tennies. I was able to run today without much issue, but that seemed to have pissed my foot off, I've been limping around the house all day...

The 5k I initially stated was my goal to do I thought was in the middle of September I found out is actually August 19th. Only 6 weeks away... This might be tough...
Any technology, sufficiently advanced, is indistinguishable from magic.
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
July 04 2011 20:37 GMT
#8298
thanks eslow. i really do think we should make a wiki or such.
there are so many questions that get asked time and again, and will continue to be for years to come.
one day i will go thru all the tlhf threads again and organise some stuff
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phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-04 20:52:53
July 04 2011 20:51 GMT
#8299
On July 05 2011 05:16 decafchicken wrote:
@Zafrumi - looks pretty good, add some more weight and take another vid!

@phyre - why bench before squats? And no powercleans? Don't you want huge traps and back?!


Mostly for convenience. Four benches and only one squat rack, which is often occupied for curls/ohp/etc, so its just easier. I don't ever feel tired after my bench anyway, but I guess that's something to think about when the weights get heavy.

No powercleans for a couple reasons.

1. After doing deads and good mornings, if I were to power clean there's no way I could still do rows and pullups. Too taxing on the full body.
2. The lightest bumper plates in my gym right now are still too heavy for me to lift
3. I have terrible technique, and odds are damn good i'd hurt myself going heavy on them.
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
July 04 2011 20:55 GMT
#8300
On July 05 2011 05:36 Razvy wrote:
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letting yourself get depressed and demotivated is a whole lot worse than resetting or slowing down your goals a little bit.

health and fitness is something you maintain your whole life - you dont wanna just feel good about it when you hit a particular date in time - you wanna feel good about it every single day!

your goals should be rigged so that they are rewarding to you not only at the endpoint but all throughout!

i would feel like shit if i'd made it my aim to get a 75kg bench press before my holiday. instead i will happily hit 70kg even though i didnt push myself nearly as hard as i could have.

happy knowing i would reach my goal, happy knowing i did reach it, and happy knowing i will reach my next goal because i set it within my reach
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