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sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
July 05 2011 12:34 GMT
#8321
aaargh, dying to get some exercise! stupid shoulder...

Hopefully I can get something done today even it will be only heavy legpress to failure.
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
Zafrumi
Profile Joined June 2009
Switzerland1272 Posts
July 05 2011 13:30 GMT
#8322
whats wrong with your shoulder?
"Strong people are harder to kill than weak people and more useful in general" -Mark Rippetoe
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
July 05 2011 14:32 GMT
#8323
got tackled by a friend last friday and it somehow screwed up my AC ligament (I think...)
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
Zafrumi
Profile Joined June 2009
Switzerland1272 Posts
July 05 2011 14:45 GMT
#8324
sucks man :/ get well soon. I'm still fighting off a stomach bug, but that wont stop me from working out tomorrow!
"Strong people are harder to kill than weak people and more useful in general" -Mark Rippetoe
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
July 05 2011 17:59 GMT
#8325
hey could somebody explain who zyzz is? i just saw a video and he is internet famous? I have to admit the video was pretty funny.
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
Catch
Profile Joined September 2010
United States616 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-05 18:13:37
July 05 2011 18:10 GMT
#8326
On July 05 2011 21:12 geno wrote:
By the way, this is the current plan I'm using.. I think it's a little different from the normal Stronglifts? My brother found it, said it was an older version I think:

Workout A:
5x5 Squat
5x5 Bench
3xFailure Inverted Rows
3xFailure Push-ups
3x12 Reverse Crunch

Workout B:
5x5 Squat
5x5 Overhead Press
1x5 Deadlift
3xFailure Chin-ups (alternate Pull-ups)
3x30s Prone Bridges



First of all, welcome to the thread and hopefully soon to be forum.

Second of all, I think you should focus on running for the next week; obviously you want to accomplish that goal way more than any weightlifting goal right now... and the weightlifting may be responsible for your snails pace. Then you can decide to do.

As for this routine, like was said, I'd switch to 3x5.

Furthermore, if you are going for size, do not go to failure all the time on inverted rows, push ups, and chin ups.
Hm, here is what I would do personally.

Workout A
Squat 3x5
Bench 3x5
3 x 8-12 inverted rows OR switch in chin ups/pull ups
(No push ups)
3 x 8-12 Reverse Crunch^

Workout B
3x5 Squat
3x5 OH Press
1x5 Deadlift
3 x For Time Prone Bridges*

*First of all, I'd say find better ab exercises if you want to do them. Decline sit ups on a bench, Barbell standing side twists, cable chops, ect. all can be loaded a lot better with weight than your current two. Unless you can load the prone bridges with weight, which would be excellent. I'm not a fan of crunches in any way, but you can keep them both if you want.

Putting in deadlifts and chin ups on the same day is just... dumb lol. I've done it before and at that time I think I could cleanly do 3 x 5 with my BW + 25 lbs. When I tried deadlift and chin ups on the same day, I couldn't even do more than five un-weighted ones. Deadlifts really tax your back that much as you get into higher weights and severely limits your chin ups.

How 8-12 should work: The way I look at 8-12 rep scheme is this: Increase until you can only do about 8 with the given weight. Once that happens, focus on increasing for one rep each time until you get to 12 reps. Move the weight up 5/10 pounds, and start back at 8 again.

Just my opinion though, if you don't take it no harm. If somebody suggests something better/you like more, take that if you want. Just trying to help :D

Edit: @Dimsum: The Bodybuilding.com's misc forum's local hero. You have two kinds of people there: Those who hate Zyzz, and those who think he is a God. Regardless, he does have a nice physique even if I think he is a douche.

Zyzz interview from Simply Shredded
Victory Loves Preparation
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
July 05 2011 18:42 GMT
#8327
thanks, but it was a bit weird reading an article with men posing though lol.
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
July 05 2011 19:23 GMT
#8328
Yeah he's famous on /fit for "dem aesthetics" Pretty much the alpha male among the /fitizens. IMO the mountain man is more awesome
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4732 Posts
July 05 2011 19:23 GMT
#8329
The posing involved in bodybuilding is too much for me. Much respect for the training, the dieting and the dedication, but posing in calvin klein underwear holding some guns, oh boy.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
July 05 2011 19:56 GMT
#8330
Did some shoulder testing in the gym today.

Could bench and overhead press a broomstick but i had to keep it real slow and controlled. Any sudden or complex movements are painful.

The last part of external rotation is bad and so are lateral raises. Most movements feel stiff. Racking the bar in a low-bar postion for squats is also bad.

Is there anything I can do except wait it out and chew nsaids?

Did some leg presses to relive my need to move heavy stuff and wormed up to a set of 400kg x 8. Quite pleased with that.
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4732 Posts
July 05 2011 20:00 GMT
#8331
Shouldn't Deadlifts be an option? Not much shoulder movement necessary there. Maybe low-weight speed reps?
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
July 05 2011 20:06 GMT
#8332
Hmmm only one way to find out. Will test tomorrow.

Only wondering if is the AC ligament or something else. Hopefully Eshlow can shed some light on it.

Now to grill almost 500g of pork and enjoy the summer ^^
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
July 05 2011 20:08 GMT
#8333
Hit the gym today for the pushing section of my workout... The volume is still going to take some getting used to. Chose conservative weights to begin with on everything, and hit my reps on every exercise.... except squats. Even though I've done that weight before, I did them first in the whole workout, and I had good form I still only made 5-3-2 on squats. Guess I'll just call it "one of those days" and hit it next time =/.
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
July 05 2011 20:24 GMT
#8334
On July 06 2011 05:06 sJarl wrote:
Hmmm only one way to find out. Will test tomorrow.

Only wondering if is the AC ligament or something else. Hopefully Eshlow can shed some light on it.

Now to grill almost 500g of pork and enjoy the summer ^^


Sounds like it could be AC joint.

Here's the general AC joint thing I had written up that I posted like a couple hundred pages ago

Basically, you can follow tendonitis protocol minus the exercise and stretching for now:
http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2009/08/on-tendonitis/

The AC joint connects scapular to the rest of the body through the clavicle. The joint is relatively immobile (it does operate to some degree to get the arm overhead). Once it gets moving via sprain or tearing of the ligaments, it's very easy to get arthritis in the joint since the cartilage wears down pretty quickly.

Basically, what you do with AC joint is rest, massage the muscles around the area to increase blood flow for healing + keep the muscles from tightening up, fish oil for anti-inflammatory, ice if it helps.

Once it start feeling better improve range of motion with non-painful movement, and start strengthening rotator cuff muscles to make the shoulder more stable.

Then work slowly back into compound movements.

Usually each of these steps will take 2-4 weeks each. Can take more or less depending on how your body recovers -- to improve recovery capacity take the fish oil, sleep more, eat quality foods, etc.
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
July 05 2011 20:39 GMT
#8335
Thank you.

You might want to add that to the OP.
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
inimenesc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Estonia374 Posts
July 05 2011 20:44 GMT
#8336
eshlow should rename himself to Dr.Eshlow

My first fail today couldnt push that 4th and 5th set of OHP to 5 reps, got only 4 out of both.
Practiced some powercleans to(low weight ofc), as i am going to start doing them instead of barbell rows. Tehnique isnt in my body yet, but its getting closer to the real deal.
"When game is going full retard, you can only go with it. If you start going against it, if you start going half retard, you´re fucking done for." -n0tail 2014
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-05 20:58:15
July 05 2011 20:58 GMT
#8337
On July 06 2011 05:39 sJarl wrote:
Thank you.

You might want to add that to the OP.


I have lots of injuries stuff that could be added to the OP but it's already getting cluttered :\
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20078 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-05 21:14:03
July 05 2011 21:13 GMT
#8338
On July 06 2011 04:56 sJarl wrote:
Did some shoulder testing in the gym today.

Could bench and overhead press a broomstick but i had to keep it real slow and controlled. Any sudden or complex movements are painful.

The last part of external rotation is bad and so are lateral raises. Most movements feel stiff. Racking the bar in a low-bar postion for squats is also bad.

Is there anything I can do except wait it out and chew nsaids?

Did some leg presses to relive my need to move heavy stuff and wormed up to a set of 400kg x 8. Quite pleased with that.


I did a shit ton of deadlifting when i sprained my ac joint (i think so, idk how long i rested all i know is i played rugby the whole time LOL) you might be able to get away with high bar squats too.

Make sure you're RICEing like there's no tomorrow.

On July 06 2011 04:23 Malinor wrote:
The posing involved in bodybuilding is too much for me. Much respect for the training, the dieting and the dedication, but posing in calvin klein underwear holding some guns, oh boy.


Haha agreed x10. I much rather watch someone throw 500 pounds over their head then prance around in underwear. They both have awesome physiques, one just does more awesome things ^_^
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Catch
Profile Joined September 2010
United States616 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-05 21:28:14
July 05 2011 21:27 GMT
#8339
You mean you don't like looking at guys in thongs/underwear...?

I have a lot of work to do...

Anyways today's workout
Squats
200 x 5-3
185 x 5-5

Leg Press
90 + 90 + 10 (190 lbs) x 12-12-12

Lying Leg Curls
90 lbs x 15-15-15

Seated Alt Curls
45 x 2
35 x 5-5

Hammer Curls
30 lbs x 10-10-10

Thinking about deloading next week. My full thoughts can be found Here when I come back to update it later tonight. Gotta run
Victory Loves Preparation
Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-05 21:42:04
July 05 2011 21:34 GMT
#8340
On July 06 2011 06:27 Catch wrote:
You mean you don't like looking at guys in thongs/underwear...?

I have a lot of work to do...

Anyways today's workout
Squats
200 x 5-3
185 x 5-5

Leg Press
90 + 90 + 10 (190 lbs) x 12-12-12

Lying Leg Curls
90 lbs x 15-15-15

Seated Alt Curls
45 x 2
35 x 5-5

Hammer Curls
30 lbs x 10-10-10

Thinking about deloading next week. My full thoughts can be found Here when I come back to update it later tonight. Gotta run



You squat 200lbs for sets of five, that's hardly enough to build up any meaningful systematic fatigue. There's no reason to deload ever unless you're training around an injury or you're a moderately strong female.
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