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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 02:40:14
June 16 2011 02:38 GMT
#7301
On June 16 2011 06:40 Razith wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 05:38 eshlow wrote:
On June 16 2011 05:13 Necosarius wrote:
Wait, white rice is better than brown rice ? :o


Yes, because brown rice still has the bran/germ stuff like other grains do which may make you have digestive issues

Starch (rice, potatoes, etc.) is not a problem for those who do not have impaired glucose metabolism


What digestive issues?

I could easily say white rice causes your blood sugar to spike which increases your risk of diabetes. Anyone without an impaired digestive system won't have issues digesting brown rice.


Except you don't see metabolic impairment until you start adding processed foods. Namely, wheat, fructose, trans fats, poly o-6 oils, etc.

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2011/05/clarifications-about-carbohydrate-and.html


Also, gluten sensitivity affects nearly about 2/3rds of the population and most people don't know they have it. It's likely the same with brown rice since both have the germ/bran (e.g. the anti-consumption animal mechanisms that plants grow).
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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 02:41:33
June 16 2011 02:41 GMT
#7302
On June 16 2011 08:59 shinosai wrote:
After doing all the research on TL and reading about nutrition, it's really painful for me when I saw someone post this on facebook:

"Food is not important. How much you eat is important. You can work on food after you lose weight. The body will not differentiate between burning "bad calories" and burning "good calories." A calorie is a calorie. What happens is the body uses different energy pathways, but that is not important for me to explain, and you have enough to digest."

Anyone have a good scientific article I can link before he does too much damage?


Tell him to read: Good calories, bad calories
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decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20078 Posts
June 16 2011 02:45 GMT
#7303
On June 16 2011 11:11 ffadicted wrote:
Guys, what exercises would you recommend for getting shoulders a bit broader/bigger.... I feel like this is the part I'm missing the most in the upper body, just big shoulders :\


press and snatch. I think the snatch developed muscles i didn't fucking know existed
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
June 16 2011 03:03 GMT
#7304
On June 16 2011 10:42 AoN.DimSum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2011 10:27 xJupiter9x wrote:
On June 16 2011 09:57 shinosai wrote:
On June 16 2011 09:55 xJupiter9x wrote:
Damn. eating 1lb of beef and a half gallon of milk in one sitting is so hard TT. I hate being small =(


I'm small, too, but you don't have to eat and drink that much in one sitting. Drink the milk throughout the day, it's much easier that way. I find I can eat more if I split up meals throughout the day instead of trying to eat monster meals all at once.

For reference I used to be 5'7 at 120 lbs. About 140 now, my arms are tiny.

I know it is. but its easier for me to do that way. Plus the meat tastes better right after I cook it. I am 5'4" at 150.



oh wow we are about the same size!, im 5'4 at around 145lbs.


btw anyone programmers here? I am starting to learn because I want to develop android apps. i have some questions :D


i thought you were 62kg? are you moving up to 69?
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
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AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 03:22:27
June 16 2011 03:18 GMT
#7305
My normal weight is 65-66, I cut to 62 for competitions. Which I have to start dropping some weight soon since American nationals is july 16!

also Im not sure if I told you guys, but a new person showed up to my gym a couple weeks ago. He told me he started lifting in january with starting strength and drank GOMAD. Max squat: 410lbs. Max deadlift:450lbs. bodyweight at 170 to 190ish!!!


hes learning oly lifts now but he has a lot of power!

ss + gomad = success !
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
Groko
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5 Posts
June 16 2011 03:32 GMT
#7306
Okay guys I finally started to practice olympic lifts but snatches are a pain. I think I just need to get more flexible but I will keep working on them with the bar for now. Are there any other exercises I could be doing that could help with learning these lifts?
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
June 16 2011 03:36 GMT
#7307
Where are your flexibility issues? shoulders, ankles, hips or all the above?
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
June 16 2011 05:09 GMT
#7308
>Dimsum

Visit "the big programming thread" in general
MeShiet
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada290 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 05:31:24
June 16 2011 05:23 GMT
#7309
I'm sorry for the selfish request but I was wondering if I could get someone to point me in the direction of good snatch tutorials because I'm dying to learn them. Thanks in advance

Edit: I apologize for making it seem like I don't want to put effort into looking myself, but I really have no idea where to start apart from googling it. After that, I can't tell good advice apart from bad and what I should or shouldn't listen to.
If you die this way, you won't live to tell anyone how you died
NeverGG *
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom5399 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 05:30:31
June 16 2011 05:29 GMT
#7310
On June 16 2011 00:42 Razith wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2011 12:09 NeverGG wrote:
Another random post, but I'm getting really sick (literally) of feeling like this (It's been going on since Uni, but only on and off.) so;

I tend to feel really nauseous in the mornings, in periods between meals (even if I snack) and if I stay up later than my normal sleeping pattern (I go to bed at 11pm since my body clock makes me start feeling sleepy then.)

I noticed that my morning and night time nausea was greatly reduced when I was eating the following diet;

+ 3 meals a day.
+ Focusing on steamed vegetables, tofu and restricted dressings/condiments.
+ At least two liters of water a day.
+ No food after 7:30.

I've been off the wagon for a couple of months now, and my diet looks more like this; (I also gained 9kg -_-; )

+ Junk food every day. Lots of simple carbs and dairy.
+ 2 meals a day.
+ Snacking a lot during the day.
+ A heavy dinner.
+ Water (when I remember it.) but mostly soda.

I'm trying to give myself a kick up the bum to get back into my good habits, and lose the weight. However, does anyone have any suggestions for coping with this constant nausea during the process of converting back to a healthier diet? (And also any ideas as to the causes.)


Describe the nausea more, but to me it sounds like you're starving yourself. You're going from a really high calorie intake, with big meals, to a very low calorie intake spread out, so your body thinks its starving. Starving is never good because basically your body is holding out until you resume your previous diet, in which it will then store more fat for the next starvation you put it through.

If you want to lose weight and change what you eat, you have to recognize its a lifestyle change and its a gradual process. You can't wake up one morning and completely change your eating habits, that'll cause you to snap and pig-out on junk food again and it'll be really hard. Instead, gradually change how you eat; start removing things from your list one at a time.

The first thing I would recommend is to cut out soda and drink water only. Drinking excess calories is the easiest way to put on a ton of weight. Don't do anything else until you're comfortable with this. Trust me when I say its hard at first, but after a week your body tends to forget things and you won't get the cravings for them anymore. Plus water quenches thirst insanely well so you won't want soda all the time; just have a big glass of water near you at all times. You'll be suprised one day when you're thirsty and you subconsciously pour yourself a glass of water; feels really good when that happens.

But lets say you drink 2 cans of soda a day. Thats 300 calories of unneeded sugars. Multiply that by 7 days a week and thats 2100 calories. Considering there is 3500 calories in 1lb of fat, that is a shit load of calories already gone simply by drinking only water. Also, when you drink lots of water, it curbs your hunger and you'll really only eat when you are truly hungry.

Once you have soda out of your list and you're drinking lots of water, start cutting out the junk food. Limit yourself to chips or whatever it is you like to once a week; say Saturday.. or hell maybe a Tuesday if thats what you want. Remember its a gradual process, and although you are still eating junk food, you are eating far less junk food relative to what you were doing before. 7 days a week to 1 day a week is HUGE. Start spreading out your main meals too as you'll be far less likely to snack.

Just make small changes like this. You can't just drastically change everything and think you'll stick with it. But if you can start slowly cutting things out of your diet like soda, junk food etc you'll be more likely to succeed.

If you need any help feel free to PM me at any time. I've been down this road before and understand how difficult it can be.


Thanks to everyone for the tips. As for describing the nausea - well it generally follows this pattern;

~ I wake up feeling sick (around 7am) and it tends to go off before I reach work (9am.)
~ I'll snack around 9:40am.
~ I have lunch at 12:15. I usually feel sick on the run up about 1 hour-30 minutes before.
~ I can usually snack around 2:50pm. I tend to feel sick after and before this.
~ I will feel sick until I get home around 5:30pm.
~ I eat dinner straight away and the nause often goes off entirely.
~ If I stay up longer than my normal sleeping time (11pm) more often than not nausea will come on in a matter of minutes.

It feels like car sickness - sometimes eating helps, but sometimes it does nothing. I also get digestive issues too.

I tried going to the doctor during uni, but he told me some horror stories about girls with the same nausea (and was rude/dismissive) before even checking me over - so I walked out.
우리 행운의 모양은 여러개지만 행복의 모양은 하나
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20078 Posts
June 16 2011 05:31 GMT
#7311
http://californiastrength.com/videos/viewcategory/5/snatch
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 05:33:26
June 16 2011 05:32 GMT
#7312
Ate pizza last night and a subway sub on 9-grain bread today for lunch, then another bit of pizza for dinner; Was feeling nauseous from when I woke up (7 am) until about noon. Subsided into a terrible stomach ache until 3 or 4, then it went away. Currently (2am) unable to sleep; extremely bothered by my allergies, feeling severe heartburn, pains in my knee, and a headache. All things that used to very commonly bother me, but since I'd been avoiding grains hadn't been a problem for a few months. Besides having woken up early this morning, this is the only change in my daily routine.

Going back to paleo kthx.
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
June 16 2011 05:32 GMT
#7313
On June 16 2011 14:09 thedeadhaji wrote:
>Dimsum

Visit "the big programming thread" in general



yeah I posted in there. thank you
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
Catch
Profile Joined September 2010
United States616 Posts
June 16 2011 06:00 GMT
#7314
@Decaf: I wanted the sound on, so I could hear that beautiful sound as it hit the floor. Nice lift man.

Guys, I don't know what happened to me. I'm so excited to lift I tried going to bed around 8 just so I could sleep the night away and wake up in the morning.

Now it is 2 am, I'm awake as fuck, and I Just want to lift.
Victory Loves Preparation
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
June 16 2011 09:57 GMT
#7315
Seriously Decaf you are like my goal body. Remember in that Simpsons episode where Homer has a timeline that charts how many inventions he has compared to Thomas Edison? I need one where decaf is at the end and I am at the beginning xD.
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
June 16 2011 11:03 GMT
#7316
On June 16 2011 15:00 Catch wrote:
@Decaf: I wanted the sound on, so I could hear that beautiful sound as it hit the floor. Nice lift man.

Guys, I don't know what happened to me. I'm so excited to lift I tried going to bed around 8 just so I could sleep the night away and wake up in the morning.

Now it is 2 am, I'm awake as fuck, and I Just want to lift.


haha i done that the other night. just got up and cleaned my room at 3am
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sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
June 16 2011 11:26 GMT
#7317
So anyway, onto a pressing matter in my mind. I'm hearing lots of things about carbs and paleo and fats and everything. One concept I want to focus on and perhaps do some research about is the idea of paleo. It seems to be very meat-centric. But this seems to clash with the basic facts.
They say paleo makes sense because humans have been around for 2.2 million years and agriculture was only developed very recently, meaning we are actually evolved for a diet consisting of what can be found in nature such as berries, fruits, nuts and animals of all sorts. But when I see guys eating paleo I see a hell of a lot of protein and especially meat such as beef and pork on the menu.

Wiki tells me there is no documented evidence of bows being made before 8000 BC. Traps are believed to have started being used around 30,000 years ago. So for 2.17 million years humans were existing without an effective way of catching big game. I find it extremely difficult to believe that humans would have spent the majority of this time running after wild boar and clubbing it to death. Far more likely is that the majority of humans lived off fruits and, where available, shellfish and other coastal creatures.

I find it extremely difficult to believe the majority of humans would have been spending a large proportion of those 2.2 million years fishing for healthy salmon. And in terms of finding creatures with enough meat to feed a tribe- the hunting process is a long and arduous one, filled with tracking and waiting. It also is fraught with danger and the chance of not getting the prey. It is not particularly efficient and reliable, unlike fruit collection or honey collection etc. Have any of you chaps done any research or looked at any sources on this?
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 11:34:54
June 16 2011 11:33 GMT
#7318
its super interesting topic, the prehistoric human, some time ill find a bunch of documentaries to watch about it as im sure theyre out there

if you type prehistoric or documentary into bitche a shit ton will come up. theres big torrent packs of documentaries around. and google video was good for that at once point. anyway just throwing that out there
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Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4732 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 11:59:47
June 16 2011 11:58 GMT
#7319
On June 16 2011 20:26 sc4k wrote:
So anyway, onto a pressing matter in my mind. I'm hearing lots of things about carbs and paleo and fats and everything. One concept I want to focus on and perhaps do some research about is the idea of paleo. It seems to be very meat-centric. But this seems to clash with the basic facts.
They say paleo makes sense because humans have been around for 2.2 million years and agriculture was only developed very recently, meaning we are actually evolved for a diet consisting of what can be found in nature such as berries, fruits, nuts and animals of all sorts. But when I see guys eating paleo I see a hell of a lot of protein and especially meat such as beef and pork on the menu.

Wiki tells me there is no documented evidence of bows being made before 8000 BC. Traps are believed to have started being used around 30,000 years ago. So for 2.17 million years humans were existing without an effective way of catching big game. I find it extremely difficult to believe that humans would have spent the majority of this time running after wild boar and clubbing it to death. Far more likely is that the majority of humans lived off fruits and, where available, shellfish and other coastal creatures.

I find it extremely difficult to believe the majority of humans would have been spending a large proportion of those 2.2 million years fishing for healthy salmon. And in terms of finding creatures with enough meat to feed a tribe- the hunting process is a long and arduous one, filled with tracking and waiting. It also is fraught with danger and the chance of not getting the prey. It is not particularly efficient and reliable, unlike fruit collection or honey collection etc. Have any of you chaps done any research or looked at any sources on this?


I try to stay away from nutritional discussions, because it is simply not my strong field. I just want to say that when I did my research on Paleo, I don't think the scientific backstory holds up, for some of the reasons you mentioned but also others. If I was a caveman, I would eat whatever I could get my hands upon, so if there is a beautiful apple tree on my way, I am gonna collect 50 apples But getting into this discussion is probably very fruitless, since I expect noone of us to be an expert in this field of any kind.

I think that the very low carbs school of paleo (which is I believe up to 10%carbs at most or sth.) is simply an ideology, as much as 150.000 other nutritional concepts out there which often lack scientific background (and 6 weeks studies with 8 graduate students are anecdotal at best until they can be reproduced a lot... a lot of studies are simply worthless).

But with all that being said, it seems that paleo is just a pretty healthy way of eating. Eshlow has quoted probably 100 studies to back that up. I mean it makes perfect sense, you eat a whole lot of raw unprocessed foots. That cannot be bad by any stretch of imagination. The problem with carbs is more that in our society you will most often find them in processed foods. But a caveman is not going to ignore some juicy apples on his way.

So basically, you can still be a fan of paleo, even if you don't agree with the assumptions of pre-historic eating behaviour made by some of the supporters.
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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 12:13:28
June 16 2011 12:04 GMT
#7320
On June 16 2011 14:32 phyre112 wrote:
Ate pizza last night and a subway sub on 9-grain bread today for lunch, then another bit of pizza for dinner; Was feeling nauseous from when I woke up (7 am) until about noon. Subsided into a terrible stomach ache until 3 or 4, then it went away. Currently (2am) unable to sleep; extremely bothered by my allergies, feeling severe heartburn, pains in my knee, and a headache. All things that used to very commonly bother me, but since I'd been avoiding grains hadn't been a problem for a few months. Besides having woken up early this morning, this is the only change in my daily routine.

Going back to paleo kthx.


Yeah dude if you do have to eat bread stick with white bread. Yeah, it's mostly sugar/glucose but at least you don't get a dose of grains with the sugar.

If you've been off grains for a while they tend to screw you up pretty bad if you start eating them again as you now know....


On June 16 2011 20:26 sc4k wrote:
So anyway, onto a pressing matter in my mind. I'm hearing lots of things about carbs and paleo and fats and everything. One concept I want to focus on and perhaps do some research about is the idea of paleo. It seems to be very meat-centric. But this seems to clash with the basic facts.
They say paleo makes sense because humans have been around for 2.2 million years and agriculture was only developed very recently, meaning we are actually evolved for a diet consisting of what can be found in nature such as berries, fruits, nuts and animals of all sorts. But when I see guys eating paleo I see a hell of a lot of protein and especially meat such as beef and pork on the menu.

Wiki tells me there is no documented evidence of bows being made before 8000 BC. Traps are believed to have started being used around 30,000 years ago. So for 2.17 million years humans were existing without an effective way of catching big game. I find it extremely difficult to believe that humans would have spent the majority of this time running after wild boar and clubbing it to death. Far more likely is that the majority of humans lived off fruits and, where available, shellfish and other coastal creatures.

I find it extremely difficult to believe the majority of humans would have been spending a large proportion of those 2.2 million years fishing for healthy salmon. And in terms of finding creatures with enough meat to feed a tribe- the hunting process is a long and arduous one, filled with tracking and waiting. It also is fraught with danger and the chance of not getting the prey. It is not particularly efficient and reliable, unlike fruit collection or honey collection etc. Have any of you chaps done any research or looked at any sources on this?


http://www.performancemenu.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=8

Has a whole list of studies/research coming out on Paleo nutrition and ancestor diet type stuff.

Macronutrient ratios vary from culture to culture generally in the 70/30 and 30/70 range plant vs animal food.

Generally, most populations say they are starving when their sources of starchy carbohydrates such as potatoes or whatever else were out which is interesting to note.

Also, animals are consumed for the organs and the fat mass not just the meat. So people who are just gorging on meat and staying low carb tend to be missing the mark.

Generally, you want some form of carbohydrates (fruits, vege, possibly sweet potatoes... maybe reg potatoes or rice if you want to go slightly non-paleo) and a source of good quality meats where you can consume the animal fats as well.


Practically speaking there is no such thing as low carb paleo. Most of the cultures got at least 20-30% of energy from carbohydrates (with eskimo populations being a bit of an exception).

If you were to put it to a plate for every meal it would be about 2/3 or so of the plate filled with vege/fruits/potatoes or other starchy tubers that don't involve any type of GRAINS and then the other third or so would be about a fist size ball of meat with the fat. (Even though technically rice/potatoes/etc aren't exactly Paleo they're decent exceptions as they don't tend to cause gut issues like grains, brown rice, etc do).

Gotta remember that were kinda sheltered in some respects -- most of the populations eat EVERYTHING including stuff like animal liver, brain, etc because that's where all of the high quality energy and nutrients come from. Of course, animals that are grass fed tend to taste WAY better than the grain fed crap we mostly get now so what can you do.

Kurt harris has some stuff on the amount of fats you're getting from wild animals in some of his posts here

http://www.archevore.com/panu-weblog/2011/4/5/wild-vs-grass-vs-grain-fed-ruminants.html
http://www.archevore.com/panu-weblog/2011/4/7/lean-grass-fed-bison-images.html
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