On June 16 2011 20:26 sc4k wrote: So anyway, onto a pressing matter in my mind. I'm hearing lots of things about carbs and paleo and fats and everything. One concept I want to focus on and perhaps do some research about is the idea of paleo. It seems to be very meat-centric. But this seems to clash with the basic facts. They say paleo makes sense because humans have been around for 2.2 million years and agriculture was only developed very recently, meaning we are actually evolved for a diet consisting of what can be found in nature such as berries, fruits, nuts and animals of all sorts. But when I see guys eating paleo I see a hell of a lot of protein and especially meat such as beef and pork on the menu.
Wiki tells me there is no documented evidence of bows being made before 8000 BC. Traps are believed to have started being used around 30,000 years ago. So for 2.17 million years humans were existing without an effective way of catching big game. I find it extremely difficult to believe that humans would have spent the majority of this time running after wild boar and clubbing it to death. Far more likely is that the majority of humans lived off fruits and, where available, shellfish and other coastal creatures.
I find it extremely difficult to believe the majority of humans would have been spending a large proportion of those 2.2 million years fishing for healthy salmon. And in terms of finding creatures with enough meat to feed a tribe- the hunting process is a long and arduous one, filled with tracking and waiting. It also is fraught with danger and the chance of not getting the prey. It is not particularly efficient and reliable, unlike fruit collection or honey collection etc. Have any of you chaps done any research or looked at any sources on this?
what about spears? I assume that prehistoric humans hunted in groups (as most old tribes that still exist do). remember that one kill would probably last their tribe a week or so, depending on the animal they caught. so they really did not have to hunt every day. they may also have stolen prey from other animals like these ballers here:
yes it was probably very dangerous, but the reward was obviously worth it since eating meat made our brain what it is today (there is a study about this somewhere in the depths of this thread).
Disclaimer: I have little to no idea about the lifestyle of prehistoric humans, so I'm just guessing.
but the most important proposition of paleo isnt that you should eat tons of meat with every meal. its that you should eat REAL food like all of our ancestors did for thousands of years. there were no spaghetti trees in ancient times, and doughnuts didnt grow in the field. if man made it, dont eat it.
On June 15 2011 12:09 NeverGG wrote: Another random post, but I'm getting really sick (literally) of feeling like this (It's been going on since Uni, but only on and off.) so;
I tend to feel really nauseous in the mornings, in periods between meals (even if I snack) and if I stay up later than my normal sleeping pattern (I go to bed at 11pm since my body clock makes me start feeling sleepy then.)
I noticed that my morning and night time nausea was greatly reduced when I was eating the following diet;
+ 3 meals a day. + Focusing on steamed vegetables, tofu and restricted dressings/condiments. + At least two liters of water a day. + No food after 7:30.
I've been off the wagon for a couple of months now, and my diet looks more like this; (I also gained 9kg -_-; )
+ Junk food every day. Lots of simple carbs and dairy. + 2 meals a day. + Snacking a lot during the day. + A heavy dinner. + Water (when I remember it.) but mostly soda.
I'm trying to give myself a kick up the bum to get back into my good habits, and lose the weight. However, does anyone have any suggestions for coping with this constant nausea during the process of converting back to a healthier diet? (And also any ideas as to the causes.)
Describe the nausea more, but to me it sounds like you're starving yourself. You're going from a really high calorie intake, with big meals, to a very low calorie intake spread out, so your body thinks its starving. Starving is never good because basically your body is holding out until you resume your previous diet, in which it will then store more fat for the next starvation you put it through.
If you want to lose weight and change what you eat, you have to recognize its a lifestyle change and its a gradual process. You can't wake up one morning and completely change your eating habits, that'll cause you to snap and pig-out on junk food again and it'll be really hard. Instead, gradually change how you eat; start removing things from your list one at a time.
The first thing I would recommend is to cut out soda and drink water only. Drinking excess calories is the easiest way to put on a ton of weight. Don't do anything else until you're comfortable with this. Trust me when I say its hard at first, but after a week your body tends to forget things and you won't get the cravings for them anymore. Plus water quenches thirst insanely well so you won't want soda all the time; just have a big glass of water near you at all times. You'll be suprised one day when you're thirsty and you subconsciously pour yourself a glass of water; feels really good when that happens.
But lets say you drink 2 cans of soda a day. Thats 300 calories of unneeded sugars. Multiply that by 7 days a week and thats 2100 calories. Considering there is 3500 calories in 1lb of fat, that is a shit load of calories already gone simply by drinking only water. Also, when you drink lots of water, it curbs your hunger and you'll really only eat when you are truly hungry.
Once you have soda out of your list and you're drinking lots of water, start cutting out the junk food. Limit yourself to chips or whatever it is you like to once a week; say Saturday.. or hell maybe a Tuesday if thats what you want. Remember its a gradual process, and although you are still eating junk food, you are eating far less junk food relative to what you were doing before. 7 days a week to 1 day a week is HUGE. Start spreading out your main meals too as you'll be far less likely to snack.
Just make small changes like this. You can't just drastically change everything and think you'll stick with it. But if you can start slowly cutting things out of your diet like soda, junk food etc you'll be more likely to succeed.
If you need any help feel free to PM me at any time. I've been down this road before and understand how difficult it can be.
Thanks to everyone for the tips. As for describing the nausea - well it generally follows this pattern;
~ I wake up feeling sick (around 7am) and it tends to go off before I reach work (9am.) ~ I'll snack around 9:40am. ~ I have lunch at 12:15. I usually feel sick on the run up about 1 hour-30 minutes before. ~ I can usually snack around 2:50pm. I tend to feel sick after and before this. ~ I will feel sick until I get home around 5:30pm. ~ I eat dinner straight away and the nause often goes off entirely. ~ If I stay up longer than my normal sleeping time (11pm) more often than not nausea will come on in a matter of minutes.
It feels like car sickness - sometimes eating helps, but sometimes it does nothing. I also get digestive issues too.
I tried going to the doctor during uni, but he told me some horror stories about girls with the same nausea (and was rude/dismissive) before even checking me over - so I walked out.
Well, digestive issues tends to mean that something in your diet is aggravating your body.
TBH I would cut: ~dairy ~any type of processed foods ~any type of grains ~soy ~soda
Eat: Some form of meats/fish fruits and vegetables Since you're in asia rice is probably one of the more common carbs that will be fine (pretty much eliminate processed foods and go semi-paleo)
Like I said a few posts back, general proportions are 2/3 fruit/vege/starchy substance and 1/3 meat/fish/poultry/eggs
Seriously, if you eat what I am suggesting and eat 'til you feel satisfied you SHOULD feel better. Can almost 99% guarantee that
(And I say this because last time I was discussing this topic vegetarians/vegans basically said your site is biased I'm not reading that.... and I lol'd because it's not the site that makes something have poor/bad information; quality of information should stand by itself if it's evaluated by scientific rigor)
On June 16 2011 12:18 AoN.DimSum wrote: My normal weight is 65-66, I cut to 62 for competitions. Which I have to start dropping some weight soon since American nationals is july 16!
also Im not sure if I told you guys, but a new person showed up to my gym a couple weeks ago. He told me he started lifting in january with starting strength and drank GOMAD. Max squat: 410lbs. Max deadlift:450lbs. bodyweight at 170 to 190ish!!!
hes learning oly lifts now but he has a lot of power!
ss + gomad = success !
Holy crap... I'm at the lower end of that (5'8", ~170) maybe I should look to a 400lb squat
On June 16 2011 08:59 shinosai wrote: After doing all the research on TL and reading about nutrition, it's really painful for me when I saw someone post this on facebook:
"Food is not important. How much you eat is important. You can work on food after you lose weight. The body will not differentiate between burning "bad calories" and burning "good calories." A calorie is a calorie. What happens is the body uses different energy pathways, but that is not important for me to explain, and you have enough to digest."
Anyone have a good scientific article I can link before he does too much damage?
Use your fist as a good article for this blithering idiot T_T How can you honestly think a 500 calories of high fructose corn syrup is the same as 500 calories of grass fed beef? dear lord what is this world coming to.
On June 16 2011 12:18 AoN.DimSum wrote: My normal weight is 65-66, I cut to 62 for competitions. Which I have to start dropping some weight soon since American nationals is july 16!
also Im not sure if I told you guys, but a new person showed up to my gym a couple weeks ago. He told me he started lifting in january with starting strength and drank GOMAD. Max squat: 410lbs. Max deadlift:450lbs. bodyweight at 170 to 190ish!!!
hes learning oly lifts now but he has a lot of power!
ss + gomad = success !
Holy crap... I'm at the lower end of that (5'8", ~170) maybe I should look to a 400lb squat
I <3 GOMAD.
Cause I love to go mad. If you know what I mean.
edit: Btw for anyone caring, I'm taking a break from lifting just this week, wanna spend as much time with my mum as I can, and be supportive of her, since it was his father that passed away. I miss lifting, but I miss my pops more. I will begin lifting on monday, resetting a bit my lifts and starting a linear progression again. Using advanced Novice program, and adding some more stuff that I'd like to start doing.
On June 16 2011 12:18 AoN.DimSum wrote: My normal weight is 65-66, I cut to 62 for competitions. Which I have to start dropping some weight soon since American nationals is july 16!
also Im not sure if I told you guys, but a new person showed up to my gym a couple weeks ago. He told me he started lifting in january with starting strength and drank GOMAD. Max squat: 410lbs. Max deadlift:450lbs. bodyweight at 170 to 190ish!!!
hes learning oly lifts now but he has a lot of power!
ss + gomad = success !
Yep, after my two week hiatus from the gym and months of zero progress, I've decided to jump back on SS+half GOMAD. I'm consuming around 4,000-4,500 calories a day, which is BW (pounds)*20-23, a pretty high number.
Honestly, I'm not convinced about the 6,000 calories/day thing being right for me. Yes, it will put mass on at a rate like no other, but the diminishing returns of caloric intake and LBM gains past a certain number of calories become a bit too much for me to handle. I'm trying to work my way up to a 140kg squat (high bar of course) and 100kg BW by the end of summer. Shouldn't be too far off because I was squatting 125kg a few weeks ago.
Also, not directly related to lifting, but this made me laugh:
Feeling like i dont want to workout today cus its cold out side, but i will take myself together and latenight skiing...what could be better than that!! :=)
-e- it started to rain when i went out :/ still did my training!! thats the spirit! havent done skiing for a week, could feel that i wasnt in my normal ryhthm, but i will get back do it. Tomorrow 5x5 training!
/feeling stronger and faster every day/
to anyone deciding if he/she should train: just do it.
On June 17 2011 00:59 inimenesc wrote: Feeling like i dont want to workout today cus its cold out side, but i will take myself together and latenight skiing...what could be better than that!! :=)
-e- it started to rain when i went out :/ still did my training!! thats the spirit! havent done skiing for a week, could feel that i wasnt in my normal ryhthm, but i will get back do it. Tomorrow 5x5 training!
/feeling stronger and faster every day/
to anyone deciding if he/she should train: just do it.
Good attitude. It can also help to watch some hardcore training videos to get inspired and motivated. This one is my favourite so far. Always gets me pumped and ready for the gym
On June 17 2011 06:06 sc4k wrote: God I'm so fucking addicted to the gym right now. 5 times per week at least or I go cold turkey and start pressing my housemates xD
haha nice
When I first switched to SS I was going crazy because I was used to going to the gym 5 days a week...
On June 16 2011 08:59 shinosai wrote: After doing all the research on TL and reading about nutrition, it's really painful for me when I saw someone post this on facebook:
"Food is not important. How much you eat is important. You can work on food after you lose weight. The body will not differentiate between burning "bad calories" and burning "good calories." A calorie is a calorie. What happens is the body uses different energy pathways, but that is not important for me to explain, and you have enough to digest."
Anyone have a good scientific article I can link before he does too much damage?
Use your fist as a good article for this blithering idiot T_T How can you honestly think a 500 calories of high fructose corn syrup is the same as 500 calories of grass fed beef? dear lord what is this world coming to.
It gets better.
"WEIGHTS (in no way, shape, or form regardless of program) DO NOT MAKE FOR AN EFFECTIVE WEIGHT LOSS PROGRAM. Did I emphasize this enough? Whoever says other wise doesn't know much and has read too many fitness mag articles or the intarwebz. We call this hearsay. Lifting weights burns minimal calories even if you lift fast and low weight. Yea, you might be out of breath given certain weight lifting programs, but being out of breath does not equal burning a lot of calories."
I guess he didn't get the memo that muscle burns more calories than fat. And the very best part.... ****drum roll****
He's a personal trainer.
The "muscle burns more calories than fat" thing isn't THAT true. You'll burn something like 4 calories per day pound of fat to maintain it, and something like 7 calories per pound of muscle (this is off the top of my head; haven't looked up those numbers in a while). So if you add fifteen pounds of muscle in place of 15 pounds of fat, over a week you burn ~300 calories extra, which you also could have done by not drinking a soda.
The thing that weight lifting DOES do, is that it burns a few calories in the actual activity - not many, but it burns many more calories, and directs a significant amount of energy and nutrients into rebuilding/repairing the muscle that you used when lifting afterwards. To get the most benefit out of this, you should actually be lifting heavy, not "fast and with light weights". Weight loss is not the right word to use when you're weight training, it's more of a body recomposition thing.
Also, anyone can get certified as a personal trainer. You don't actually have to know JACK.
That's at rest, though. When you are active the effect of muscle burning through calories should be multiplicative, shouldn't it? At least that's the interpretation I got from Rippetoe, who claims it is so much easier to lose fat after gaining muscle because of this effect.
Squat: 185kg 5-5-4 Press: 78,5kg 5-5-4 Power Clean: 72,5kg 3-3-3-3-3
Not a good workout, I didn't feel good. Missing the last squat rep was more a mental thing than strength related. No chance at pressing though. Had a couple of miserable power clean reps too. The workout took me nearly 75 minutes, 5 sets of power cleans take forever.
All this week I've been really inexplicably sore as hell. It's been affecting more and more of my lifts as I try and push through it to the point where I have been stalling out because of the soreness. What the hell it's so frustrating. I'm still in "reset" mode with a few of my lifts and have not even made it back to my old numbers. So another full stall is just frustrating as hell.
Been massaging and stretching every day. Could not really massage anything out of my legs/gluts. I'm as flexible as ever (getting squat depth and stuff is no problem) but I'm just sore. wtf
On June 16 2011 12:36 AoN.DimSum wrote: Where are your flexibility issues? shoulders, ankles, hips or all the above?
I think its my ankles and hips. The thing is I can squat deep perfectly fine but with the bar over my head my hips and ankles just dont want to be flexible. Anways wont be able to lift for 1-2 weeks will post back here later. Thanks for the help!
On June 17 2011 07:27 Malinor wrote: Squat: 185kg 5-5-5 Press: 78,5kg 5-5-4 Power Clean: 72,5kg 3-3-3-3-3
Not a good workout, I didn't feel good. Missing the last squat rep was more a mental thing than strength related. No chance at pressing though. Had a couple of miserable power clean reps too. The workout took me nearly 75 minutes, 5 sets of power cleans take forever.
ROFL 3x5 @ 185 not a good workout. more than I can say ive done.
me at steak and shake : yeah ill have two triple steak burgers, no fries or buns please.*strange look from waitress*
On June 17 2011 07:27 Malinor wrote: Squat: 185kg 5-5-5 Press: 78,5kg 5-5-4 Power Clean: 72,5kg 3-3-3-3-3
Not a good workout, I didn't feel good. Missing the last squat rep was more a mental thing than strength related. No chance at pressing though. Had a couple of miserable power clean reps too. The workout took me nearly 75 minutes, 5 sets of power cleans take forever.
ROFL 3x5 @ 185 not a good workout. more than I can say ive done.
me at steak and shake : yeah ill have two triple steak burgers, no fries or buns please.*strange look from waitress*
Ups, the squat line should say 5-5-4. It just felt bad because I could have gotten the last rep and messed up.
And if I was your waiter, I would give you a strange look too ^^
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