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phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
June 04 2011 04:05 GMT
#6601
On June 04 2011 12:58 Cambium wrote:
milk in canada is fucking expensive (comparative to upstate/central NY), i don't know why, it's not like we don't have enough land to farm more cows


Pretty sure it's not as well subsidized in Canada as it is in upstate NY. Dairy farming is HUGELY state.federally funded in upstate NY. IIRC you guys have better subsidies for...uh.... corn.

Also whereabouts in Canada you from that you might be comparing it to upstate NY? o_o
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
June 04 2011 04:10 GMT
#6602
haha.

I'm not trolling. She didn't say it exactly like that, but she said "you grow out of it, there is too much sat fat"

And the studies are evidently not "statistically significant"
SoLaR[i.C]
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
United States2969 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-04 05:11:26
June 04 2011 04:30 GMT
#6603
http://www.mobilitywod.com/

I saw this site a few pages back and it definitely needs more attention. These stretches and mobility routines are absolutely crucial for lifting unless you are purposefully going for fucked up joints, torn muscles/ligaments, pinched nerves, or severe mechanical problems. Sure you might be able to squat 400 pounds and shoulder press 100 pound dumbbells currently, but you're going to be wishing you had done these stretches regularly after you blow your adductor magnus and can't even walk properly for 6 months.

I certainly wish I had known about this site years ago when I tore several of the muscles in my rotator cuff doing upright rows. Now my left side shoulder has permanently reduced mobility and I have constant pain in my infraspinatus and teres minor. Even pressing them lightly is like a quick-start button of pain.

PLEASE take care of yourselves, and remember to do these hip, shoulder, and leg stretches.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-04 04:45:25
June 04 2011 04:32 GMT
#6604
On June 04 2011 12:36 Ludrik wrote:
Don't suppose someone could pm me a fitocracy invite? I posted in its thread yesterday but it was quickly buried by all the crap in sports and games.


Same thing here, I've posted in there but if anyone here has any could you please send one my way, by PM or posting?

edit: nvm, googled around and found one on tumblr hahaha
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
June 04 2011 04:43 GMT
#6605
On June 04 2011 13:05 phyre112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2011 12:58 Cambium wrote:
milk in canada is fucking expensive (comparative to upstate/central NY), i don't know why, it's not like we don't have enough land to farm more cows


Pretty sure it's not as well subsidized in Canada as it is in upstate NY. Dairy farming is HUGELY state.federally funded in upstate NY. IIRC you guys have better subsidies for...uh.... corn.

Also whereabouts in Canada you from that you might be comparing it to upstate NY? o_o


I just came back to Ontario from Ithaca NY.

Whole milk there was $2 per gallon, $2.59 for a better tasting brand whose name escapes me at the moment, and $6 for organic.

Whole milk in Ontario (KW area) is $6 per gallon, $10 for organic. It's actually expensive to drink whole milk.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
June 04 2011 04:49 GMT
#6606
On June 04 2011 13:30 SoLaR[i.C] wrote:
http://www.mobilitywod.com/

I saw this site a few pages back and it definitely needs more attention. These stretches and mobility routines are absolutely crucial for lifting unless you are purposefully going for fucked up joints, torn muscles/ligaments, pinched nerves, or severe mechanical problems. Sure you might be able to squat 400 pounds and shoulder press 100 pound dumbbells currently, but you're going to be wishing you had done these stretches regularly after you blow your adductor magnus and can't even walk properly for 6 months.

I certainly wish I had known about this site years ago when I tore several of the muscles in my rotator cuff doing upright rows. Now my left side shoulder has permanently reduced mobility and I have constant pain in my infraspinatus and teres minor. Even pressing them lightly is like a quick-start button of pain.

PLEASE take care of yourselves, and remember to do these hip, shoulder, and leg stretches.


Do I just start watching the videos from the last page?

Anything you recommend for the SS exercises:
Squat
Bench
Press
DL
PC

I do yoga almost everyday (including lift days), so I hope I am okay in that front, but this probably doesn't hurt.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
June 04 2011 04:54 GMT
#6607
On June 04 2011 13:43 Cambium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2011 13:05 phyre112 wrote:
On June 04 2011 12:58 Cambium wrote:
milk in canada is fucking expensive (comparative to upstate/central NY), i don't know why, it's not like we don't have enough land to farm more cows


Pretty sure it's not as well subsidized in Canada as it is in upstate NY. Dairy farming is HUGELY state.federally funded in upstate NY. IIRC you guys have better subsidies for...uh.... corn.

Also whereabouts in Canada you from that you might be comparing it to upstate NY? o_o


I just came back to Ontario from Ithaca NY.

Whole milk there was $2 per gallon, $2.59 for a better tasting brand whose name escapes me at the moment, and $6 for organic.

Whole milk in Ontario (KW area) is $6 per gallon, $10 for organic. It's actually expensive to drink whole milk.


Ahah. I'm near the border of Ontario/Montreal, and as I've previously mentioned go to school in syracuse. Now that you bring it up, I remember previously comparing ithaca and 'cuse.

Tried to take a shower just now; have to fight to lift my arms to shampoo my head. Damn I missed that feeling.
SoLaR[i.C]
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
United States2969 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-04 05:03:44
June 04 2011 04:55 GMT
#6608
On June 04 2011 13:49 Cambium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2011 13:30 SoLaR[i.C] wrote:
http://www.mobilitywod.com/

I saw this site a few pages back and it definitely needs more attention. These stretches and mobility routines are absolutely crucial for lifting unless you are purposefully going for fucked up joints, torn muscles/ligaments, pinched nerves, or severe mechanical problems. Sure you might be able to squat 400 pounds and shoulder press 100 pound dumbbells currently, but you're going to be wishing you had done these stretches regularly after you blow your adductor magnus and can't even walk properly for 6 months.

I certainly wish I had known about this site years ago when I tore several of the muscles in my rotator cuff doing upright rows. Now my left side shoulder has permanently reduced mobility and I have constant pain in my infraspinatus and teres minor. Even pressing them lightly is like a quick-start button of pain.

PLEASE take care of yourselves, and remember to do these hip, shoulder, and leg stretches.


Do I just start watching the videos from the last page?

Anything you recommend for the SS exercises:
Squat
Bench
Press
DL
PC

I do yoga almost everyday (including lift days), so I hope I am okay in that front, but this probably doesn't hurt.

I'm just browsing casually, but after trying some of these stretches, it's clear that my flexibility/mobility is subpar and it's starting to affect my lifting negatively.

These videos are geared toward the weak points of the body that tend to give people problems. For me, it's my hip flexors and rotator cuff, so I search specifically for those videos.

Try the second stretch he does in this video. The one with the shin placed vertically against the box. Hurts so fucking bad for me...
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
June 04 2011 05:16 GMT
#6609
On June 04 2011 13:55 SoLaR[i.C] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2011 13:49 Cambium wrote:
On June 04 2011 13:30 SoLaR[i.C] wrote:
http://www.mobilitywod.com/

I saw this site a few pages back and it definitely needs more attention. These stretches and mobility routines are absolutely crucial for lifting unless you are purposefully going for fucked up joints, torn muscles/ligaments, pinched nerves, or severe mechanical problems. Sure you might be able to squat 400 pounds and shoulder press 100 pound dumbbells currently, but you're going to be wishing you had done these stretches regularly after you blow your adductor magnus and can't even walk properly for 6 months.

I certainly wish I had known about this site years ago when I tore several of the muscles in my rotator cuff doing upright rows. Now my left side shoulder has permanently reduced mobility and I have constant pain in my infraspinatus and teres minor. Even pressing them lightly is like a quick-start button of pain.

PLEASE take care of yourselves, and remember to do these hip, shoulder, and leg stretches.


Do I just start watching the videos from the last page?

Anything you recommend for the SS exercises:
Squat
Bench
Press
DL
PC

I do yoga almost everyday (including lift days), so I hope I am okay in that front, but this probably doesn't hurt.

I'm just browsing casually, but after trying some of these stretches, it's clear that my flexibility/mobility is subpar and it's starting to affect my lifting negatively.

These videos are geared toward the weak points of the body that tend to give people problems. For me, it's my hip flexors and rotator cuff, so I search specifically for those videos.

Try the second stretch he does in this video. The one with the shin placed vertically against the box. Hurts so fucking bad for me...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxhyEDDzQ20


Just tried it, very easy for me ^^

yoga ftw~

The ball on the knee looks like it's gonna hurt though. Cool site, I'll have a look tomorrow.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
GhostKorean
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2330 Posts
June 04 2011 05:19 GMT
#6610
I'm on summer break right now so I can't use my high school's weight training equipment anymore. Are push ups, crunches, and pull ups sufficient for not losing muscle or should I fork over for a gym membership until school starts again?
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
June 04 2011 05:31 GMT
#6611
On June 04 2011 14:19 GhostKorean wrote:
I'm on summer break right now so I can't use my high school's weight training equipment anymore. Are push ups, crunches, and pull ups sufficient for not losing muscle or should I fork over for a gym membership until school starts again?


If you aren't lifting over the summer, you're going to lose a noticeable amount. The good news is that many gyms have summer deals for students. Shop around, ask if they have something of that sort. If you don't want to do that/can't do that, the bodyweight stuff in the OP is great for strength, even if it is a bit confusing (and extremely difficult) at first, but it's going to train purely strength, not size... and you'll have no real leg training from it.
Catch
Profile Joined September 2010
United States616 Posts
June 04 2011 06:44 GMT
#6612
Went out tonight with a bunch of dancers (ballerinas) from my college. Danced with one, had a good time, think she might be digging it. Owe it all to TL HF

Anyways, might of added the easiest 10 pounds to all my lifts ever. Apparently the bars at my gym weigh 55 and not 45... no wonder I'm getting screwed over in my maxes.
Victory Loves Preparation
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
June 04 2011 07:43 GMT
#6613
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/the_thirdworld_squat

Thoughts?

TL;DR people in third world countries don't sit in chairs, they squat down on their heels. Because of this, they don't typically have the problems with their hip flexors, glutes, etc. etc. that we see in First world countries. Guy advises that people sit in this position, which is essentially the bottom of an ATG squat for as long as they can and look to increase it over time. Says it helps with the natural motion of squats and deadlifts as well as with posture (and by extension back and knee pain).

I can get into this position. I can hold it what I think is properly, weight on me heels, knees in my armpits, for maybe a minute without EXTREME pain in my shins forcing me out of it. There's even a stool here that's proper height for me to watch my Laptop in this position. I think I'm going to start trying it every once in a while while watching SC2 events instead of sitting/lying down. Maybe that'll take the rounding off the bottom 8 inches of my squat, maybe it'll help my hamstrings engage better in my deadlifts so I'm not using so much lower back.

I'll try it out. Then I'll be able to say yes or no. Seems simpler and more effective than typical static stretching anyway.
inimenesc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Estonia374 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-04 08:34:33
June 04 2011 08:30 GMT
#6614
Tried that squating tehnique, my knees start to hurt when i am doing it, but i could do it all the way. My knees dont stretch enought?

Looks legit, have to try it more tho
"When game is going full retard, you can only go with it. If you start going against it, if you start going half retard, you´re fucking done for." -n0tail 2014
Tachyon
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark146 Posts
June 04 2011 08:38 GMT
#6615
On June 02 2011 01:50 sJarl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2011 23:55 Tachyon wrote:
Tachyon
Height: 191 cm || Weight: 85? kg
Starting Date: 1/6/2011 || Goal Date: 1/9/2011
Weight Goals: 75 maybe, doesn't really matter.
Training Goals: VO2 max over 1.0 ml/kg/s to be able to play badminton again.
Nutrition Goals: Gonna try some different diets, see what I like best in the long run. Have always eaten healthy anyways.

I'm in the worst shape I've ever been after a 2 year knee injury, so it'll be interesting to see how long it actually takes to get to 1.0 ml/kg/s!


Sup fellow baddie

Got myself a nice knee injury which took me a year to recover from.

Getting to 1,0ml/kg/s VO2 would be quite nice but being lower than that (like I'm right now lol) only really affects my singles play so if I were in your position I'd focus more on technical work and then after that explosive strength and lastly cardio.

I might test my VO2 levels again if I could be assed to do the cooper test again >.<

@inimenesc: You could do that if I feel like you need it. Just make sure when you move up in weight you drop the volume back to 5x5.


Yeeaah, good to see others in here playing this glorious sport. I was thinking you need some kind of base condition to be able to play after an injury like this, but maybe 1.0 is a bit high before starting again...I hate how in this sport it's so easy to get injuries, my old coach was convinced badminton was the most dangerous sport ever!
I shall be telling this with a sigh somewhere ages and ages hence: Two roads diverged in a wood, and I— I took the one less traveled by, and that has made all the difference.
ModernAgeShaman
Profile Joined January 2008
Norway484 Posts
June 04 2011 08:56 GMT
#6616
On June 04 2011 05:36 Ohnoes92 wrote:
Any tips on what to eat for breakfast, since I dont like eating the horrible bread my mum insists on buying and eggs is really the only option i know.

Does anyone else have a problem with eating enough for breakfast? Im really not hungry until around 12 am - 1 pm, what can I do to make myself eat more for breakfast?
I think half or sometimes even more of the calories I eat every day come from my dinner or after dinner, is this a problem and should I try eat more for breakfast/lunch even if im not that hungry then?


Btw my mum bought 8 litres of milk today and complained about that we have suddenly started drinking a lot more (me ), and me and my brother proceeded to drink 5 of the eight litres today, I'll probably help her carry some the next time she goes shopping for groceries.


wow guys, like 4 pages of stuff overnight :O this thread is getting crowded.

anyway @ohnoes I used to be like that. many days I would never feel like eating when I woke up and I would just cram down food because I thought I *had* to have breakfast, it's the most important meal of the day right? Well, apparently not. Not for me at least. I do the leangains fasting and eat between 12pm and 8pm everyday, even working out fasted. It's such a great approach because it allows you to eat 100% of your calories post workout if you can workout around 10-11am. It doesn't matter if half of your calories are from dinner, but regardless of what you do you should put your largest meal after your workout. If I were you, I would test out skipping breakfast in favour of a larger lunch a few days and see how you feel.
inimenesc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Estonia374 Posts
June 04 2011 09:04 GMT
#6617
Somehow i like skipping breakfast too. Big lunch is so good and it can keep you full for whole day, sometimes i dont even eat dinner or breakfast at the same day, next meal tomorrows lunchtime. My mother disagrees with me and still makes me breakfast sometimes, but its only few times a month, i will push it down then, but wont cut on my nice lunch, dinner will be less then.
"When game is going full retard, you can only go with it. If you start going against it, if you start going half retard, you´re fucking done for." -n0tail 2014
jjhchsc2
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)2393 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-04 09:26:43
June 04 2011 09:26 GMT
#6618
1 question-
How much rest do you guys have in between sets for Bench and squats?
In SS wiki it says

'Always rest at least 2-3 minutes between sets. Sometimes with strength you want to rest up to 5-7 minutes between sets. Resting a lot gives the muscle enough time to recuperate so that you will be working muscular strength. If you do not allow them enough time to recover then you are going to start working the energy pathways in your muscle cells rather than the contractile strength of the muscle. The shorter the rest time, the more the exercises become like metabolic conditioning and endurance. So keep your rest times at least above 2 minutes if not more.'

Does that mean to rest to the point where you will be near 90-100% ready to take on the next set?


While this site says that 45-60secs is for more hyrpertrophy.
http://worldfitnessnetwork.com/rest-between-sets/
http://www.protraineronline.com/past/oct15/restperiods.cfm

While this site says for optimal strength and hypertrophy just rest till you are near fully recovered.
http://www.nlpbodybuilding.com/rest-between-sets.html
http://www.building-muscle-guide.com/build-more-muscle-mass.html
http://www.ironmagazine.com/article265.html

[b]So which one to believe?
Lee Ssang/ Lee Shin/ Kim Jung Woo/ Kim Min Chul/Jun Tae Yang/Park Soo Ho/Lee Jung Hoon/Choi Sung Hoon/ Moon Sung Won/Park Ji Soo/ Lee Ho Joon/ Jang Min Chul/ Kim Seung Chul/SaSe/IdrA/Ret Fighting! BW4Life
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
June 04 2011 09:49 GMT
#6619
On June 04 2011 18:26 jjhchsc2 wrote:
1 question-
How much rest do you guys have in between sets for Bench and squats?
In SS wiki it says

'Always rest at least 2-3 minutes between sets. Sometimes with strength you want to rest up to 5-7 minutes between sets. Resting a lot gives the muscle enough time to recuperate so that you will be working muscular strength. If you do not allow them enough time to recover then you are going to start working the energy pathways in your muscle cells rather than the contractile strength of the muscle. The shorter the rest time, the more the exercises become like metabolic conditioning and endurance. So keep your rest times at least above 2 minutes if not more.'

Does that mean to rest to the point where you will be near 90-100% ready to take on the next set?


While this site says that 45-60secs is for more hyrpertrophy.
http://worldfitnessnetwork.com/rest-between-sets/
http://www.protraineronline.com/past/oct15/restperiods.cfm

While this site says for optimal strength and hypertrophy just rest till you are near fully recovered.
http://www.nlpbodybuilding.com/rest-between-sets.html
http://www.building-muscle-guide.com/build-more-muscle-mass.html
http://www.ironmagazine.com/article265.html

[b]So which one to believe?


Controlling rest periods is a much more advanced technique incorporated by bodybuilding routines, as well as certain strength programs. At the point you're doing SS, it's more important that you finish your sets than that you rest for a pre-designated amount of time, so make the most of your rest time. If you're in a hurry in the gym that day, push it a bit, but try and wait in between sets until you're reasonably sure that you can finish the next set.

Most of the advanced programs depending on controlled rest periods don't rely so heavily on strict rep numbers to determine progress, but rather "putting up more than you did last time," whether that be weight, number of reps, whatever. It's the same sort of approach I take with my pullups/Dips - gotta improve on every workout or I'm doing SOMETHING wrong.
Ohnoes92
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden76 Posts
June 04 2011 10:34 GMT
#6620
On June 04 2011 17:56 Sinep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2011 05:36 Ohnoes92 wrote:
Any tips on what to eat for breakfast, since I dont like eating the horrible bread my mum insists on buying and eggs is really the only option i know.

Does anyone else have a problem with eating enough for breakfast? Im really not hungry until around 12 am - 1 pm, what can I do to make myself eat more for breakfast?
I think half or sometimes even more of the calories I eat every day come from my dinner or after dinner, is this a problem and should I try eat more for breakfast/lunch even if im not that hungry then?


Btw my mum bought 8 litres of milk today and complained about that we have suddenly started drinking a lot more (me ), and me and my brother proceeded to drink 5 of the eight litres today, I'll probably help her carry some the next time she goes shopping for groceries.


wow guys, like 4 pages of stuff overnight :O this thread is getting crowded.

anyway @ohnoes I used to be like that. many days I would never feel like eating when I woke up and I would just cram down food because I thought I *had* to have breakfast, it's the most important meal of the day right? Well, apparently not. Not for me at least. I do the leangains fasting and eat between 12pm and 8pm everyday, even working out fasted. It's such a great approach because it allows you to eat 100% of your calories post workout if you can workout around 10-11am. It doesn't matter if half of your calories are from dinner, but regardless of what you do you should put your largest meal after your workout. If I were you, I would test out skipping breakfast in favour of a larger lunch a few days and see how you feel.


Since im skinny i want to try to continue eating breakfast, more meals= more times to fill up my stomach = more weight gain?

Leangains is not really a system that would work for me since im at 8-10% bf, and honestly i dont really care about the BF as long as i get stronger, I can easily loose it again, gaining mass is hard for me. Right now I'll be loosing weight if dont focus on eating much.
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