sounds good. gonna hurt like a motherfucker until i stretch this shit out hahah (already does) will consider buying a broom :D
guys a separate forum would be really useful for things like this to go into , dont you think -_-
some great tips all over the place but no one is going to be able to dig them up after a few pages have gone by.
i was thinking on the bus earlier that because we kinda treat the thread casually, just posting and moving forwards, we feel as individuals that we dont really warrant a subforum.
but realistically, if we EVER want to go back and review anything, or if ANY new person comes to the thread and has one of the zillion questions that has already been answered, it is 100% REDICULOUS trying to wade through everything.
the informations posted here are DEFINITELY essential and specific enough to warrant their own individual threads in a subforum. it is absolutely of no use to anyone that you guys are answering our questions and giving tips when all this is lost in the midst of a 1000 flurry of pages.
i dont know why there were only like 14 votes in the poll back then, but tbh it doesnt matter. the vast and consistent flow of information makes it absolutely realistic to warrant the use of individual threads in a subforum.
Last question: For some reason bench press seems to be stressing my triceps more than anything else. Googling it it says I should widen by grip, but I think Im' doing it right according to SS.
For bench, unless you're an actual competitive power lifter, the width of your grip is entirely a personal thing. The longer your arms and the broader your shoulders, the wider you're going to want the grip to be. I have monkey arms, so my grip is much wider than both of my lifting partners, who are much more "normally" built. You don't need to change anything else about your form, (elbows should still be tucked, bar should be touching your body at the same point, just a wider grip is better for some people. Experiment with different widths, and see what works for you.
If anyone is having wrist problems with bench too, try different widths of grip.
On June 01 2011 12:07 Froadac wrote: Also some guy at the gym said (famous last words) that if I"m going to be substituting barbell rows for powerclean a pendlay row would be superior. Is this at all true.
I'm not sure of the EXACT difference; I know the pendlay row is a more "explosive" movement, but if you're doing either of them with proper form, you'll be getting a decent workout either way. I wouldn't worry about it at this point.
On June 01 2011 11:43 FFGenerations wrote: depth isnt as deep as what i managed the other day. i felt like i had almost "cracked" it a few days ago but today just blew ass.
note im standing on a wedge, on bare feet, so its allowing me to do much better form than i can do without my heels being raised (cant squat for shit without the wedge, i go down about half a foot then just get stuck). still note im tilting forwards so much even with the wedge!!
- Your knees are traveling WAAAY far forward. They're past the toes, this borders on dangerous territory. Do that long enough and you're going to hurt yourself. Lead the motion with your hips, and focus on sitting "back" rather than sitting "down". I'd be willing to bet that this is a function of your "wedge" as that probably puts the weight on the balls of your feet. Your weight should be held over your heels, or at the worst mid-foot. Try and curl your toes back into the air while you're squatting. If you can't, your balance is off.
- First rep almost has the proper depth. Maybe two-three inches more. After that each successive rep is higher than the last. Cut the weight if you can't get deep enough, it's not a proper squat if you aren't getting to parallel. This could also be a flexibility thing (and based on your description, probably is. Are you stretching enough? Ten or so minutes a day on the lower back and hamstrings.
-Your back looks good. Proper arch in the lower back. Keep that tight. You are leaning a bit far forward, probably as you mentioned due to bar position. From this angle I can't really tell what's going wrong with that, but I high-bar squat anyway. In a high-bar squat, you DO sit the weight where that guy was describing. Your back is then much more vertical, and you usually try to go well beyond parallel. It demands much more flexibility, and you can't lift as much weight... But I still like them better for some reason. When I squat, the bar rests on my trapezius muscle.
-Majinmojo is correct about low-bar squats. If you want to keep doing them low bar, listen to him (or one of the others who can help you out more with that. But don't ask me.)
Squat form takes a lot of time, and there are a lot of little things that need to come together to get the lift right. Keep at it!
I get to lift tomorrow =). Already excited, even though I'm sore as hell from yesterday. I need to eat more.
People with longer legs will have there knees past their toes when they squat, its inevitable. The last couple reps looked better with his hips pushing back more. Phyre is right, lead with your hips!!!!
My opinion about barbell rows is as follows: fuck barbell rows. Really. Fuck them. Stop wasting time worrying about barbell rows and get your deadlift up to 500. By then you'll have your own opinion and you won't have to worry about mine.
ON IT RIP! I'm close to breaking 4 plates on the deadlift
My opinion about barbell rows is as follows: fuck barbell rows. Really. Fuck them. Stop wasting time worrying about barbell rows and get your deadlift up to 500. By then you'll have your own opinion and you won't have to worry about mine.
ON IT RIP! I'm close to breaking 4 plates on the deadlift
Rip doesn't have a couple of titanium rods in his back bro. Froadac's having trouble with his family and his doctors letting him lift at all - no reason to push it with an exercise that's very technique dependent and that could aggravate a preexisting condition.
On top of that, even though my max deadlift was only 275 pounds even I know that rows are a great exercise in their own right, and performed properly have a good place in a solid routine, whether for strength or for body building.
My opinion about barbell rows is as follows: fuck barbell rows. Really. Fuck them. Stop wasting time worrying about barbell rows and get your deadlift up to 500. By then you'll have your own opinion and you won't have to worry about mine.
ON IT RIP! I'm close to breaking 4 plates on the deadlift
Rip doesn't have a couple of titanium rods in his back bro. Froadac's having trouble with his family and his doctors letting him lift at all - no reason to push it with an exercise that's very technique dependent and that could aggravate a preexisting condition.
On top of that, even though my max deadlift was only 275 pounds even I know that rows are a great exercise in their own right, and performed properly have a good place in a solid routine, whether for strength or for body building.
take it easy bro frodac said he got the advice to do pendlay rows instead of power cleans from "some guy at the gym"
Also some guy at the gym said (famous last words) that if I"m going to be substituting barbell rows for powerclean a pendlay row would be superior. Is this at all true.
of course, if his doctors advised him against doing power cleans, then he should not do them.
and you are also entitled to your opinion about rows, as is rip!
My opinion about barbell rows is as follows: fuck barbell rows. Really. Fuck them. Stop wasting time worrying about barbell rows and get your deadlift up to 500. By then you'll have your own opinion and you won't have to worry about mine.
ON IT RIP! I'm close to breaking 4 plates on the deadlift
Rip doesn't have a couple of titanium rods in his back bro. Froadac's having trouble with his family and his doctors letting him lift at all - no reason to push it with an exercise that's very technique dependent and that could aggravate a preexisting condition.
On top of that, even though my max deadlift was only 275 pounds even I know that rows are a great exercise in their own right, and performed properly have a good place in a solid routine, whether for strength or for body building.
take it easy bro frodac said he got the advice to do pendlay rows instead of power cleans from "some guy at the gym"
Also some guy at the gym said (famous last words) that if I"m going to be substituting barbell rows for powerclean a pendlay row would be superior. Is this at all true.
of course, if his doctors advised him against doing power cleans, then he should not do them.
and you are also entitled to your opinion about rows, as is rip!
Doctors (and this thread was hesitant as well) advised against power cleans; the guy at the gym said to do pendlay rows instead of barbell rows. Like I wrote in an earlier post, the pendlay row is a more explosive movement, so maybe it's a bit more similar to the power clean, but one over the other is probably not going to make much difference.
Didn't mean to come off as aggressive there, just meant to explain that there's more to him not doing powercleans than the average "I'm scared" or "I don't want to".
I've read this stuff about pendaly rows on Stronglifts and elsewhere and watched so many videos about barbell and pendlay rows, and I still don't really know the difference. I just treat them as the same. I try to keep my rows as explosive as possible, so I guess I am more on the pendlay site of things. Also, Rippetoe is definitely not against Rows, he is just trying to say that Power Cleans are something totally different. But I believe anybody can see that they are a great assistance exercise.
Hahaha at first I was just laughing at his ridiculous psych-up routine and then the camera panned and I realized where the safety bars were. Hahahahahahahaha.
On June 01 2011 10:27 Cambium wrote: I think I hurt my right knee walking/jogging barefoot yesterday; not sure if that's the (sole) cause, but I haven't done much since.
What should I do in addition to resting it out?
I think it's the area around "eroding cartilage" + Show Spoiler +
Anyway, I still attempted to do a half-decent workout today, acknowledging the pain in my knee:
Squat: 185 lb x 5 x 1 It wasn't too painful, but I didn't want to risk it going higher.
Press: 140 lb x 3 x 3
Clean: 145 lb x 3 x 1 165 lb x 3 x 1 Felt a sharp pain during the last set, and stopped.
On June 01 2011 10:14 decafchicken wrote: I need to get on the cardio train hard core, my conditioning is lacking to say the least. Need to be in top rugby shape in the next month or so. I think i'm taking the week off. Lifted last friday and probably won't lift again till friday. Hopefully by then i wont feel so damn tired. Haven't taken a week off to recover in probably over 18 months
On June 01 2011 07:26 Malinor wrote: Squat: 170kg 5-5-5 Bench: 70kg 5-5-5 Deadlift: 185kg 4
I wanted to finish this squat session so badly, the last two days I did nothing but sleep, eat and rest. With the more narrow olympic-style stance, my squats feel sooooo much better. I can go deeper, I have higher velocity and it even feels better on my knees. I believe now that I have 2-3 still 2,5kg jumps in me. One guy, which I had never seen before and who looked a little bit like Froadac, watched me and just looked scared, that was quite funny. Bench still easy, but I need to speed my reps up a litte, no need to go slow. Deadlift, yeah, it's definitely my grip holding me back, but I don't really know how to tackle that problem right now. I got the weight all the way up during the last rep, but I couldn'tt lock it out, because the weight slowly slips out of my hand. But to be fair, I had like a 20 seconds pause between the forth and fifth rep anyway and the forth rep probably wasn't really looked out either, the weight was just a little bit too much... for now
Starting to scare me malinor!
edit: lol wish i kept my fitocracy up to date (hate converting kg to pounds since i picked the wrong measurements rofl), i'd probably be way up there with dim sum. It really favors oly lifting and since i do more weight (even though not per bodyweight) i'd probably be crushing it lol.
I've been drinking non stop for about forever now, I went 2 days without drinking last week and I missed Monday this week because I was too hung over to drink, I'm pretty sure I have a problem, but that aside, I'm getting fat because of it, which is the serious issue at hand.
I need a bit of a shock to the system and a desperate change of routine and lifestyle,
Is there any 5 day a week routines that will allow me to go back to back training sessions?
I keep failing on SS because I drink and eat twice as much on my off days and then end up missing my training day, I reckon I could change my habits if I just spend 1 full week training and eating healthy.
The thing that is weird is that I can still squat and deadlift some pretty awesome numbers with this shit diet and pretty much 100% chance of having some trace of alcohol in my system.
I've been drinking non stop for about forever now, I went 2 days without drinking last week and I missed Monday this week because I was too hung over to drink, I'm pretty sure I have a problem, but that aside, I'm getting fat because of it, which is the serious issue at hand.
I need a bit of a shock to the system and a desperate change of routine and lifestyle,
Is there any 5 day a week routines that will allow me to go back to back training sessions?
I keep failing on SS because I drink and eat twice as much on my off days and then end up missing my training day, I reckon I could change my habits if I just spend 1 full week training and eating healthy.
The thing that is weird is that I can still squat and deadlift some pretty awesome numbers with this shit diet and pretty much 100% chance of having some trace of alcohol in my system.
How the fuck did I get to this stage..
Sounds like you have a motivational/attitude problem, rather than a problem with your diet.
What can help is getting a buddy to train with, or planning your training days really extensively, so you'll be forced to do it. Telling other people you will be training can force you to continue with it aswell.
I've been drinking non stop for about forever now, I went 2 days without drinking last week and I missed Monday this week because I was too hung over to drink, I'm pretty sure I have a problem, but that aside, I'm getting fat because of it, which is the serious issue at hand.
I need a bit of a shock to the system and a desperate change of routine and lifestyle,
Is there any 5 day a week routines that will allow me to go back to back training sessions?
I keep failing on SS because I drink and eat twice as much on my off days and then end up missing my training day, I reckon I could change my habits if I just spend 1 full week training and eating healthy.
The thing that is weird is that I can still squat and deadlift some pretty awesome numbers with this shit diet and pretty much 100% chance of having some trace of alcohol in my system.
How the fuck did I get to this stage..
really? THATS the issue? you have been saying you drink too much since the start of this thread (and possibly even longer than that). seek help - professional help - and get your drinking under control
maybe you could get on fitocracy so we can yell at you when you miss your workouts!
I've been drinking non stop for about forever now, I went 2 days without drinking last week and I missed Monday this week because I was too hung over to drink, I'm pretty sure I have a problem, but that aside, I'm getting fat because of it, which is the serious issue at hand.
How the fuck did I get to this stage..
Hope I didn't cause this with the raw Absinth shots back then ...
Tachyon Height: 191 cm || Weight: 85? kg Starting Date: 1/6/2011 || Goal Date: 1/9/2011 Weight Goals: 75 maybe, doesn't really matter. Training Goals: VO2 max over 1.0 ml/kg/s to be able to play badminton again. Nutrition Goals: Gonna try some different diets, see what I like best in the long run. Have always eaten healthy anyways.
I'm in the worst shape I've ever been after a 2 year knee injury, so it'll be interesting to see how long it actually takes to get to 1.0 ml/kg/s!
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