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Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
June 01 2011 15:03 GMT
#6441
@ Power-cleans

Orthopedist said flat out bar none don't do them until you get your C-spine dealt with.

At which point he'll reconsider.
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
June 01 2011 15:50 GMT
#6442
Please Froadac for god's sake don't defy your doctors on this one! Stay on the safe side. Health is >>>>>>>>>>>>> more important than gaining some strength and muscle.
Catch
Profile Joined September 2010
United States616 Posts
June 01 2011 15:56 GMT
#6443
I'ma agree with everyone and stay off the power cleans. No reason to fuck up a spine at all. lol

Max squat in t-minus 35
Victory Loves Preparation
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
June 01 2011 16:04 GMT
#6444
On June 01 2011 22:07 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2011 10:27 Cambium wrote:
I think I hurt my right knee walking/jogging barefoot yesterday; not sure if that's the (sole) cause, but I haven't done much since.

What should I do in addition to resting it out?

I think it's the area around "eroding cartilage"
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Anyway, I still attempted to do a half-decent workout today, acknowledging the pain in my knee:

Squat:
185 lb x 5 x 1
It wasn't too painful, but I didn't want to risk it going higher.

Press:
140 lb x 3 x 3

Clean:
145 lb x 3 x 1
165 lb x 3 x 1
Felt a sharp pain during the last set, and stopped.

Chin-up:
8-7-6


On June 01 2011 10:14 decafchicken wrote:
I need to get on the cardio train hard core, my conditioning is lacking to say the least. Need to be in top rugby shape in the next month or so. I think i'm taking the week off. Lifted last friday and probably won't lift again till friday. Hopefully by then i wont feel so damn tired. Haven't taken a week off to recover in probably over 18 months


On June 01 2011 07:26 Malinor wrote:
Squat: 170kg 5-5-5
Bench: 70kg 5-5-5
Deadlift: 185kg 4

I wanted to finish this squat session so badly, the last two days I did nothing but sleep, eat and rest. With the more narrow olympic-style stance, my squats feel sooooo much better. I can go deeper, I have higher velocity and it even feels better on my knees. I believe now that I have 2-3 still 2,5kg jumps in me. One guy, which I had never seen before and who looked a little bit like Froadac, watched me and just looked scared, that was quite funny.
Bench still easy, but I need to speed my reps up a litte, no need to go slow.
Deadlift, yeah, it's definitely my grip holding me back, but I don't really know how to tackle that problem right now. I got the weight all the way up during the last rep, but I couldn'tt lock it out, because the weight slowly slips out of my hand. But to be fair, I had like a 20 seconds pause between the forth and fifth rep anyway and the forth rep probably wasn't really looked out either, the weight was just a little bit too much... for now


Starting to scare me malinor!

edit: lol wish i kept my fitocracy up to date (hate converting kg to pounds since i picked the wrong measurements rofl), i'd probably be way up there with dim sum. It really favors oly lifting and since i do more weight (even though not per bodyweight) i'd probably be crushing it lol.

you can change it under settings, i think


http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2011/05/so-you-hurt-your-knee/

See where it is, generally


i think it's either the knee cap or the ACL
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
MajinMojo
Profile Joined October 2010
266 Posts
June 01 2011 16:15 GMT
#6445
Apparently Kelly Starrett of the blog, MobilityWOD took a ton of photos in preparation for a book or some sort of catalog of stretches.

Pretty cool fitness blog all about stretching. Basically a short routine every day targeting one area each day to improve flexibility.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
June 01 2011 16:19 GMT
#6446
On June 02 2011 01:04 Cambium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2011 22:07 eshlow wrote:
On June 01 2011 10:27 Cambium wrote:
I think I hurt my right knee walking/jogging barefoot yesterday; not sure if that's the (sole) cause, but I haven't done much since.

What should I do in addition to resting it out?

I think it's the area around "eroding cartilage"
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Anyway, I still attempted to do a half-decent workout today, acknowledging the pain in my knee:

Squat:
185 lb x 5 x 1
It wasn't too painful, but I didn't want to risk it going higher.

Press:
140 lb x 3 x 3

Clean:
145 lb x 3 x 1
165 lb x 3 x 1
Felt a sharp pain during the last set, and stopped.

Chin-up:
8-7-6


On June 01 2011 10:14 decafchicken wrote:
I need to get on the cardio train hard core, my conditioning is lacking to say the least. Need to be in top rugby shape in the next month or so. I think i'm taking the week off. Lifted last friday and probably won't lift again till friday. Hopefully by then i wont feel so damn tired. Haven't taken a week off to recover in probably over 18 months


On June 01 2011 07:26 Malinor wrote:
Squat: 170kg 5-5-5
Bench: 70kg 5-5-5
Deadlift: 185kg 4

I wanted to finish this squat session so badly, the last two days I did nothing but sleep, eat and rest. With the more narrow olympic-style stance, my squats feel sooooo much better. I can go deeper, I have higher velocity and it even feels better on my knees. I believe now that I have 2-3 still 2,5kg jumps in me. One guy, which I had never seen before and who looked a little bit like Froadac, watched me and just looked scared, that was quite funny.
Bench still easy, but I need to speed my reps up a litte, no need to go slow.
Deadlift, yeah, it's definitely my grip holding me back, but I don't really know how to tackle that problem right now. I got the weight all the way up during the last rep, but I couldn'tt lock it out, because the weight slowly slips out of my hand. But to be fair, I had like a 20 seconds pause between the forth and fifth rep anyway and the forth rep probably wasn't really looked out either, the weight was just a little bit too much... for now


Starting to scare me malinor!

edit: lol wish i kept my fitocracy up to date (hate converting kg to pounds since i picked the wrong measurements rofl), i'd probably be way up there with dim sum. It really favors oly lifting and since i do more weight (even though not per bodyweight) i'd probably be crushing it lol.

you can change it under settings, i think


http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2011/05/so-you-hurt-your-knee/

See where it is, generally


i think it's either the knee cap or the ACL


sounds like I have "runner's knee"

-_-
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
inimenesc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Estonia374 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-01 16:22:54
June 01 2011 16:21 GMT
#6447
Hey guys, if i am just starting 5x5 lifts, can i do more just to practice techniques? I am fit enought i could do 10x10 with those weights i think. I have done some with the same weight, and some with only the bar(my bar weights 10kg).

2nd time in gym done! No point in putting in numbers...they are quite low :D
"When game is going full retard, you can only go with it. If you start going against it, if you start going half retard, you´re fucking done for." -n0tail 2014
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
June 01 2011 16:50 GMT
#6448
On June 01 2011 23:55 Tachyon wrote:
Tachyon
Height: 191 cm || Weight: 85? kg
Starting Date: 1/6/2011 || Goal Date: 1/9/2011
Weight Goals: 75 maybe, doesn't really matter.
Training Goals: VO2 max over 1.0 ml/kg/s to be able to play badminton again.
Nutrition Goals: Gonna try some different diets, see what I like best in the long run. Have always eaten healthy anyways.

I'm in the worst shape I've ever been after a 2 year knee injury, so it'll be interesting to see how long it actually takes to get to 1.0 ml/kg/s!


Sup fellow baddie

Got myself a nice knee injury which took me a year to recover from.

Getting to 1,0ml/kg/s VO2 would be quite nice but being lower than that (like I'm right now lol) only really affects my singles play so if I were in your position I'd focus more on technical work and then after that explosive strength and lastly cardio.

I might test my VO2 levels again if I could be assed to do the cooper test again >.<

@inimenesc: You could do that if I feel like you need it. Just make sure when you move up in weight you drop the volume back to 5x5.
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
AeroGear
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada652 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-01 16:54:35
June 01 2011 16:53 GMT
#6449
Its always better to practice form and technique before starting a maximum lift program, prevents injuries. 10 series sounds rather silly, might as well practice with a bit more weight, you want to build up some muscles while you get the form and technique right. 3-4 series, SLOW and full rep, should tire and strenghten your muscles pretty quickly and give you the confidence and knowhow to switch back to 5x5.
Driven by hate, fueled by rage
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20168 Posts
June 01 2011 17:35 GMT
#6450
On June 01 2011 22:55 Energies wrote:
Help..

I've been drinking non stop for about forever now, I went 2 days without drinking last week and I missed Monday this week because I was too hung over to drink, I'm pretty sure I have a problem, but that aside, I'm getting fat because of it, which is the serious issue at hand.

I need a bit of a shock to the system and a desperate change of routine and lifestyle,

Is there any 5 day a week routines that will allow me to go back to back training sessions?

I keep failing on SS because I drink and eat twice as much on my off days and then end up missing my training day, I reckon I could change my habits if I just spend 1 full week training and eating healthy.

The thing that is weird is that I can still squat and deadlift some pretty awesome numbers with this shit diet and pretty much 100% chance of having some trace of alcohol in my system.

How the fuck did I get to this stage..

Uhh I think I might have you beat in the alcoholism department. Although moving back home from school has toned down my drinking. Use your workouts as your reason not to drink, I always feel like garbage about myself if I drink the night of a workout or the day before a workout.

you can either fix it now or wait till your body crashes :-/
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20168 Posts
June 01 2011 17:43 GMT
#6451
On June 01 2011 18:38 Malinor wrote:
I've read this stuff about pendaly rows on Stronglifts and elsewhere and watched so many videos about barbell and pendlay rows, and I still don't really know the difference. I just treat them as the same. I try to keep my rows as explosive as possible, so I guess I am more on the pendlay site of things.
Also, Rippetoe is definitely not against Rows, he is just trying to say that Power Cleans are something totally different. But I believe anybody can see that they are a great assistance exercise.

And the video above just made me speechless.

I did rows all last summer...they have nothing on the back strength I got from power cleans/ oly lifts
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
89vision
Profile Joined September 2010
United States70 Posts
June 01 2011 17:47 GMT
#6452
Power cleans are not that dangerous, definitely not more dangerous than full cleans or squats. There is less weight used and less bottoming out than in a full clean that stresses the knees. Olympic weightlifters don't have bad backs, bad knees but not bad backs, why would cleans be bad for your back? It is easy to bail on a clean, squats are way harder to bail when the rep goes bad.

If hesitant to do cleans, just do them lighter and include them in a barbell complex, and get some conditioning in.

@inimenesc Stop right there. Pick a good program and stop changing shit. This is how you pick your starting weight: Start with bar, do a rep. Easy right? Add a small amount of weight, did the bar speed slow down? If no, add more weight gradually until the bar speed BEGINS to slow. When the bar speed isn't as fast as the empty bar, this is your starting weight.

If you change a program, its not the program anymore. Lifting form, especially squat/clean form, doesn't come easy. It doesn't take 3 months to learn, it takes years. Accept this, 1 year from now, you will know a lot more and be able to make your own decisions, until then, stick to 5x5 or SS or TM, whatever but just do what the program says until it stops working.
An itch only a deadlift can scratch
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
June 01 2011 17:56 GMT
#6453
If you want to practice form you could just do more warm-up sets, 3-5x5 with the bar, 2-3x5 with 10kg plates or whatever etc.
shinosai
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1577 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-01 18:12:54
June 01 2011 18:11 GMT
#6454
Just got back from day 2 at the gym. I was worried about still being sore from 2 days ago, but after some warmups I didn't even notice. I focused a lot more on doing warmups this time around which is something I neglected a little on the first day. Anyways, I didn't add any weight to the squat, because my form was bad the last time. So I did 45 lb squats again, but this time I did it with correct form, going parallel to the ground. Holy shit, I really FELT it this time. I've never felt such stress on my legs until I did a proper weighted squat.

Standing military press, I only did up to 50. Like the deadlift I felt I could go higher, but I'm starting slow. Better to start too light than too heavy. Standing military press form was fairly easy.

Power cleans... ouch. My biggest problems on form here are really thrusting with my hips, and landing it on my shoulders like in the videos. I did about 50 lb on these as well, and I was hesitant to go higher because my form is still lacking, even though I could easily lift more. I had to reposition the bar to my shoulders after jumping since I just wasn't used to the motion. No doubt these will get better.

Can't wait to go back to day three. Going to see how much my deadlift and bench press improve.
Be versatile, know when to retreat, and carry a big gun.
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4758 Posts
June 01 2011 18:28 GMT
#6455
On June 02 2011 02:43 decafchicken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2011 18:38 Malinor wrote:
I've read this stuff about pendaly rows on Stronglifts and elsewhere and watched so many videos about barbell and pendlay rows, and I still don't really know the difference. I just treat them as the same. I try to keep my rows as explosive as possible, so I guess I am more on the pendlay site of things.
Also, Rippetoe is definitely not against Rows, he is just trying to say that Power Cleans are something totally different. But I believe anybody can see that they are a great assistance exercise.

And the video above just made me speechless.

I did rows all last summer...they have nothing on the back strength I got from power cleans/ oly lifts

Wouldn't ever doubt that. Hence why I wrote assistance exercise. Just a good alternative for people who shouldn't do Cleans (Froadac) or idiots who pussied out when they started working out again (me -.-). But I'll fix that soon enough, I just would find it pretty wasteful to stop with Rows now that I have them on a reasonable level again. But Texas Method is just 1-2 weeks away (which I frankly have thought for the last 4 weeks, but I won't complain).
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
Catch
Profile Joined September 2010
United States616 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-01 19:26:32
June 01 2011 18:30 GMT
#6456
Fuck squats.

No Really. Fuck them.

What a shit show my max squat was.

225 was my max. Wtf, I couldn't even get 245 when my max before was 260. |

After I couldn't hit 245 I called it a day.

Looks like I'm going to be spending a hell of a lot of time in the Squat rack.

But gosh damnit. So mad.

/end rant

Got a video of all but one, but probably won't upload any of them. Dunno

EDIT: Right now, I feel amazing for actually going heavy on my squats again. Now that my toe is healed and I'm not worried about it, I'ma get back to squats a lot. +1 for feeling badass.
Victory Loves Preparation
Zafrumi
Profile Joined June 2009
Switzerland1272 Posts
June 01 2011 18:58 GMT
#6457
squat: 127.5kg 5-5-5
press: 65kg 5-4-3
deadlift 175kg x4

damn it T_T
"Strong people are harder to kill than weak people and more useful in general" -Mark Rippetoe
Ingenol
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1328 Posts
June 01 2011 19:25 GMT
#6458
When I do weighted dips I feel a lot of strain and tension on my sternum--is this normal? It's not pain and doesn't persist after the set.
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
June 01 2011 19:44 GMT
#6459
After being a bit down with the whole lifting thing I discovered today I was calculating the bar weight wrong.

EASIEST 10KG INCREASE ON ALL LIFTS EVER WHAT IS UP
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Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4758 Posts
June 01 2011 19:58 GMT
#6460
On June 02 2011 04:44 zatic wrote:
After being a bit down with the whole lifting thing I discovered today I was calculating the bar weight wrong.

EASIEST 10KG INCREASE ON ALL LIFTS EVER WHAT IS UP


Lol, I was wondering how you could only Press 27,5kg. I mean, you are a pretty thin guy, but you also look very fit in person. Good job on your awesome strength gain over night^^
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
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