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MajinMojo
Profile Joined October 2010
266 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 20:30:06
May 27 2011 20:28 GMT
#6161
Yeah I haven't really gotten the chance to test my strength gains too much as of right now. Awaiting some football/rugby games to be organized by my friends. I also haven't gone to my local rink and skated an open hockey in a few months.

I was used to being on the ice 3-4 times a week, running 5k 3-4 times a week, and doing random bw and endurance focused exercises or circuit type of routines at least 5 days a week for a total of >2hrs a day.

It's a big difference going to a 45 min, 3 days per week routine. I felt absolutely like I had enough energy left over to race an airplane cross country on my bike.
Ingenol
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1328 Posts
May 27 2011 20:36 GMT
#6162
On May 28 2011 04:20 Catch wrote:
Squat form check

Meh. Free squats are so weird nowadays. I was getting happy with my box squat form but...

Anyways,
Knees traveling too far forward? Keeping my head up isn't normally a problem, was too worried about the camera.

Need critiquing. I plan on maxing out on monday/wednesday in squat...

On another note, since getting involved in lifting or whatever, has anybody else started to just need physical activity? Before this I didn't do too much physically, but yesterday I just had to go run for a little and later in the night I couldn't sleep, so I took a half an hour walk around 11:30 in my neighborhood. Just wonderin.

Your wrists are bent which ideally they shouldn't be. If you don't have the shoulder flexibility to straighten them then move your hands a bit wider and stretch more.
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
May 27 2011 21:35 GMT
#6163
@Catch: Could've gone a little lower imo but that is just me obsessing with ATG squats

Meat and cheese pizza, loading up for the hell that was promised tomorrow. The plan is to start with snatch technique works, then 1-arm ultra heavy (starting at 45kg) db presses, then log presses, moving on to farmers walks and sled dragging and to finish things off: atlas stones, starting at 135kg which is 10kg more than I've ever done.

I'm going to sleep so good tomorrow night lol
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
Zafrumi
Profile Joined June 2009
Switzerland1272 Posts
May 27 2011 22:30 GMT
#6164
On May 28 2011 05:07 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2011 04:53 AoN.DimSum wrote:
On May 28 2011 04:29 Zafrumi wrote:
On May 28 2011 04:20 Catch wrote:
Squat form check

Meh. Free squats are so weird nowadays. I was getting happy with my box squat form but...

Anyways,
Knees traveling too far forward? Keeping my head up isn't normally a problem, was too worried about the camera.

Need critiquing. I plan on maxing out on monday/wednesday in squat...

On another note, since getting involved in lifting or whatever, has anybody else started to just need physical activity? Before this I didn't do too much physically, but yesterday I just had to go run for a little and later in the night I couldn't sleep, so I took a half an hour walk around 11:30 in my neighborhood. Just wonderin.


looked good to me man
and I have to say i've kinda noticed that too - but only on rest days. after a heavy squat/deadlifting session I just wanna curl up in bed and sleep forever hehe

im gonna try snatching for the first time tomorrow. any advice for total beginners? i've watched the tutorial on californiastrength and some youtube videos. it looks simple enough but I will probably fail horribly hehe



if you have a long stick, I would try practicing on that first.


sucks for us guys with short sticks


I did my best not to make a dirty joke :p
thanks for the advice dimsum, I think there is a training bar in my gym. gonna start with that one then!
"Strong people are harder to kill than weak people and more useful in general" -Mark Rippetoe
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
May 27 2011 22:38 GMT
#6165
np lol I did not even think of that...



sounds like a good workout sjarl :D
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
May 27 2011 23:14 GMT
#6166
On May 27 2011 15:02 thedeadhaji wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 14:52 Release wrote:
I plan to try and go to the gym at least once a day over the summer break but i have no idea which contract is best or how the monthly contract works.
The gym i plan to go to is the 24 hour fitness on showers drive.
They have a $32/month with $63 entry fee (says first and last months dues)
and a 3 month $150 pan.
Personally, i think the 150 is better because 150<159.

Also, do any of you guy take protein powders, etc?


lol Mtn View? Fwiw I go to the SuperSport nextdoors on weekends

How much do you pay?
☺
DatBoiRijad
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
100 Posts
May 27 2011 23:39 GMT
#6167
About to go dead lift. Going to record too, setting PR today!
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
May 27 2011 23:47 GMT
#6168
Meh

Squat:
3-4-2 @ 275 lb
Really surprised at this since I cleared 270 so easily last session; maybe because I went jogging yesterday?

Press:
5-4-4 @ 135 lb
Improvement from 3-4-3 last time.

Clean:
155 lb x 3 x 5
I've been practising form at 135, and today decided to move it up to 155, cleared it really easily and felt really great :D
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20078 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-28 00:23:03
May 27 2011 23:54 GMT
#6169
decaf...need...food...sleep.

Snatched up to 95kg today (form is feeling awesome) i'm getting a way better pull and doing a getter job getting under the bar and im feeling my arms loosen up (damn early arm pull).
Clean feels pretty good, but i just did PC up to 90 to work more on my jerk which is fucking awful. I want shorter arms and faster legs

working 5 days a week + mid week trips to college = 5 hours of sleep a night(maybe) and desperately smashing milk and chicken in attemp to keep my diet up. also too much mcdonalds. brb trying to eat 3k calories in one sitting.
edit: decaf eat 4 eggs + pound of pulled pork +sweet potato + milk. decaf happy
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Michaelj
Profile Joined February 2008
United States186 Posts
May 27 2011 23:57 GMT
#6170
when i press I feel a tendon or something sliding over my elbow. It happens less when I try to keep my elbows facing forward. Is this bad?

On another note, I tried 20-rep squats for the fitocracy quest. Holy shit it burns, even with a light weight.



squat: 1x20 155 lbs
press: 5-5-4 110 lbs
row: 3x5 115 lbs
pullups: 4-2-1 (not moving at all...)
---
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20078 Posts
May 28 2011 01:49 GMT
#6171
On May 28 2011 01:12 funkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2011 00:55 GumThief wrote:
On May 27 2011 14:05 thedeadhaji wrote:
On May 27 2011 13:34 GumThief wrote:
what ever happened to My dad can beat up your dad? You punks get a little 1inch bicep and start to belittle your pops??
Well my dads over 9 fucking feet tall with bricks for fists, a heart of a lion, as cunning as a fox, and could probably bench over 9,000 but he's too fast I can't even see it -it looks like hes just laying there he says hes really doing it and i believe him because my dads the best dad ever.


Side note- really starting to enjoy the overhead press. Improving technique and just finished off 150x5x5 feels good feels great


Plz tell me about OH Press form. I'm all ears.



Well for me personally I wasn't keeping a straight bar path. Just had to focus on getting my head out of the way and push through it as opposed to around it. And just really squeezing my back and tri to finish it off. Im no expert but it's worked for me!!!



squeeze your gut too.

shit works wonders.

and breathe.

and scream shit if you can't.

gogo.


Deep breath/tight core definitely helps. I just try to get it above my shoulders asap and focus on squeezing my traps + lats in addition to shoulders/triceps.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
May 28 2011 02:24 GMT
#6172
Made press. So surprised o.o

Back is no longer popping. Does this mean I have better support?
GumThief
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada284 Posts
May 28 2011 02:41 GMT
#6173
feeling like crap this week. Cold won't go away.. Sinus hell.... Help????

Squat @ 275x5x5 -- Went ATG as opposed to parallel today. Feels pretty good. A little bit more explosive getting back to parallel and then powering through.

Bent over barbell row 155x5x5. I don't know what it is with this.. I feel as though I have good technique and a straight back but i'm getting a really tight lower back on both far sides. Also i'm getting a pinch on my left wrist. Not sure at all. Full retard on this.

DB bench 75 pounds each so 150x7x5 -- Feel like I can move up in weight. Aiming for the 100s in no time. Too paranoid doing regular bench without a spotter.

parallel bar pullups 6, 6, 4 -- i'm too fat. -_-/

GG!
:))
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
May 28 2011 02:41 GMT
#6174
@ cambium, maybe add a minute extra of rest between sets
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phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
May 28 2011 02:48 GMT
#6175
Alright, so now the deal is "I can get you into your high school weight room, just drive to my classroom at 3:30 when you want to work out." Hope this sticks; even if it does, it'll become markedly less reliable when it gets to be the summer and mom's not teaching anymore. At that point, I'll have to start bugging her to just GO, which will be annoying. In anticipation, I have actually started with some bodyweight exercises - They're hell on my triceps and shoulders, and I don't yet have the required balance to do anything, really. It'll come with time. I'll probably have to order a door frame pullup bar, which doesn't look to be a problem. Rings however, I'm less sure about. I looked at the pair eshlow suggested in his article, does anyone else with bodyweight experience have a suggestion? Plastic vs Wood, any particular brand, anything?

I want to do the bodyweight stuff, because I'm hoping it will help my upper body - I've had almost NO strength development in it since ~february. Been stuck benching between 135 and 150 ever since. Even just tonight, trying to get up into a handstand, as well as holding a frogstand, and an L-sit, just "testing things out" I'm feeling more tricep and shoulder work than I've ever felt on SS. Maybe I'll be able to get some BW work this summer, and only need to do leg training at a gym; this is also absolutely something I could continue in my dorm next semester.

I'm excited.
shinosai
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1577 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-28 03:16:12
May 28 2011 02:55 GMT
#6176
Given that nutrition is an extremely important part of health and fitness, I've been reading a lot about nutrition the last few days. And the more I read, the more I find contradictions. In fact, the only thing that there seems to be any consensus on is that vegetables are good. For practically every single food besides vegetables, I've found conflicting scientific studies and articles. This is beyond frustrating, and I kind of think there ought to be a thread on just nutrition. But I'd just like to open up the discussion here because I'm not much of one for starting new threads.

On meat: I've read that lean meat is great for you, but there are also scientific studies out there that link eating meat to cardiovascular disease. That being said, most of these studies don't differentiate between processed meat and unprocessed meat. Bacon, in this thread, has been recommended to me, for example. But this is generally a processed meat that is high in sodium and fat. Maybe not so great? But wait! Studies say that neither sodium nor fat are bad for you... and others say it is! What do I believe?

Lunch meat: Processed, so clearly bad, right? But apparently it depends on the lunch meat. Just like bacon, some people say there's nothing wrong with it, even though it's processed. Some argue that the preservatives and "cures" have no proven health hazards. The main complaint about bacon and lunch meat tends to be nitrates, which can be carcinogenic. False, by the way, according to a great deal of studies. Also, vitamin C neutralizes it. What's bad about the nitrate that they use to "cure" this food then?

On fruits: On the one hand we have people saying that eating fruits needs to be limited, because they are essentially candy that grows on trees. On the other, I've read that eating fruits is a valid replacement for both carbs and fat as an energy source! What!?

Eggs: Doesn't seem to be a consensus on whether these are good or bad.

Whole grains: I've read that any kind of grain contains anti-nutrients. I've also read that these so called anti-nutrients have been linked in scientific studies to be beneficial. I've read that grains are the cause of all our suffering... but also seen claims that only processed grains have been linked to health hazards, not whole grains. There are claims that whole grains in limited amounts can be very healthy as they have plenty of nutrients. No consensus here.

Milk: Milk has tons of nutrients, and in the bodybuilding.com forums I've seen it recommended to drink lots of it as it helps build muscle. BUT! Oh my god, milk is processed, stay away from everything except organic or raw milk. What?

I ask you guys what you think about these debates. Is there any general scientific consensus here on what is healthy and what is not? Because so far the only consensus I've seen is that vegetables = good, and heavily processed foods are bad (poptarts). But past that there seems to be an awful lot of debate.

The bottom line:


I've thrown out most processed food in my diet already, including things like poptarts, pizza products, chips, crackers, soda, cereal. But the question of milk, bacon, lunch meat, fruits, and whole grain bread is an unsolved mystery for me. I don't particularly want to give any of them up, but I've seen evidence go both ways for this stuff.
Be versatile, know when to retreat, and carry a big gun.
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
May 28 2011 03:20 GMT
#6177
shinosai look at the OP, i really doubt eshlow wants to explain it for the nth time lol.
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20078 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-28 03:23:51
May 28 2011 03:21 GMT
#6178
ESHLOW BOMB COMING IN HOT

(eagerly waits in excitement)

jk here it is:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 23 2011 08:22 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2011 06:03 MoonfireSpam wrote:
On May 23 2011 04:59 Slithe wrote:
Hey Eshlow, I was reading some of these articles about cholesterol and their role in the body's health. However, it's getting to be quite a complex affair. I'm trying to summarize it in my head, can you clarify if I'm understanding things correctly? I've brain-dumped my summary below:

There are these things called LDL particles in the blood. When they get oxidized, they start to become damaging and cause things like clogged arteries. This oxidation is correlated with how small and dense the LDLs are (is it the small/denseness that makes the particles more likely to oxidize?).

Consumption of dietary cholesterol is not linked with the increase of these oxidized particles in the blood. Rather, the danger comes from the PUFAs that are being oxidized, and as such it is the consumption of PUFAs that increases the likelihood of arterial disease. (Does dietary cholesterol increase the concentration of blood cholesterol, and is this an issue?)

So the conclusion I gathered is that dietary cholesterol is good for you. If you want to avoid clogged arteries, you should stop consuming processed vegetable oils (what other factors contribute to artery problems?)


*disclaimer, this is recall from quite old knowledge back in biochemistry and preclinical days, haven't revised this stuff recently at all.

As far as I know the deal with cholesterol is that it is really damn complex and nobody really knows how it works. High levels of cholesterol are associated with atherosclerosis (coronary heart disease when it happens in the arteries supplying the heart). Atherosclerosis refers to the process by which fatty deposits are formed in the arterial walls, macrophages within the artery walls play a significant role by "eating" the oxidised versions of LDL/VLDLs (one of the reasons why antioxidants are good). I can't remember why LDL get oxidised more, I think it has something to do with them being saturated fatty acids. This keeps happening in a positive feedback system over time developing into the plaques. Diabetes increases the chances of LDL oxidation happening, and the insulin resistance that goes with it may increase LDL production by the liver, basically your body loses the ability to control cholesterol levels.

Here's the kicker which is what you are getting at. Your liver is capable of producing cholesterol and it really good at it since cholesterol also forms the base for every steroid hormone in the body. Due to this, your gut is also really good at absorbing cholesterol. And as such your gut and liver generally work as a tag team to maintain decent levels of cholesterol, if you stopped eating it, your liver would take over and if you eat lots, your liver till stop producing, so dietary intake has relatively little effect on blood cholesterol unless you are consuming silly amounts. And for that reason I would say that dietary cholestrol is neither good or bad as long as it isn't in excess.

TLDR: cholesterol ok. Diet shouldn't matter too much, just don't get diabetes, and stay fit.

If by PUFA you mean "poly-unsaturated fatty acid" then I think these are still considered to be good for you. I can't remember why they are good, but these are the things that are in fish oil /' omega-fatty acid supplements etc.

The processed oils you are talkng about are "trans-fats" or "hydrogenated fats" which are indeed bad for you and are associated with arterial disease.

A few bits on cholesterol:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2889993/?tool=pubmed
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21385506
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14571303

Edit: About the whole grain thing, I honestly would not take it too seriously. Gluten is only bad if you have coeliac disease. A quick pubmed search suggests whole grain products are more likely to be good than bad.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15162131 - Strong evidence suggests that whole grains among other carbs, fruits etc. are all good and managing and preventing diabetes.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16670693 - "The intake of wholegrain foods clearly protects against heart disease and stroke but the exact mechanism is not clear. Fibre, magnesium, folate and vitamins B6 and vitamin E may be important. "


Ugh, I don't really want to go through this again but why not one more time.


1. Looking at dietary cholesterol intake impact on specifically oLDL which is a predictor of atherogenesis there's actually a negative correlation. Those who have the highest intake of cholesterol have the lowest production of atherogenic oLDL

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15164336

This is why studies that do not distinguish between different types of blood lipids and the subclasses aren't really very useful. Oh, your LDL is high? That must mean it's bad....... when that's actually not true and if they're all bigger LDL molecules are relatively harmless.


2. The evidence vindicates saturated fats risk on heart disease.

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2011/01/does-dietary-saturated-fat-increase.html
http://www.ajcn.org/content/early/2010/01/13/ajcn.2009.27725.abstract
http://www.ajcn.org/content/80/5/1175.full.pdf html <-- decreased risk in post menopausal women with increased sat fat intake
http://healthydietsandscience.blogspot.com/2011/03/high-saturated-fat-diet-gives.html
http://www.mayoclinicproceedings.com/content/78/11/1331.full.pdf
etc.

In the same line this is why whole milk is healthier than skim milk:

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2010/12/dairy-fat-and-diabetes.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16904009
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20372173
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17925824
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11350992

Another interesting article that was ahead of its time:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002934396004561


3. The inflammatory model of atherogenesis (auto-immune, neurodegenerative disorders, diabetes, etc.) fits the best. Inflammation leads to oxidation of the molecules within the body and increases insulin resistance.

A. Trans fats are a major cause of insulin resistance and inflammation in the body.
B. Excessive intake of refined carbohydrates, especially fructose
C. Excessive intake of Linoleic acid (in huge quatities from industrial seed and vegetable oils). Omega-6 proinflammatory biomolecule when it gets converted into other things in the body.
D. Gluten which we will talk about in a sec.

In addition, there are other various contributers via

E. High stress all the time. Stress increases insulin resistance, and production of cortisol (which decreases inflammation in short term but chronically there's a lot of negatives).
F. Lack of sleep. Increases insulin resistance, and inflammation.
G. Lack of exercise (exercise increases insulin sensitivity among other things).
H. Lack of vitamin D

Re vitamin D studies see:
http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2009/10/a-closer-look-at-vitamin-d/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21513491
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20216204

I. There are some other factors such as smoking etc. Check out the ACSM or AHA risk stratifcation material on exercise testing which shows the major risk factors for more details -- age, family history, cigarette smoking, hypertension, dyslipidemia*, pre-diabetes, obesity (by waist circumference), sedentary are all significant risk factors.

*dislipidemia is outdated as stated above without more specifics. Pre-diabetes/diabetes are obviously an issue as stated before.


4. Gluten.

Again, celiac disease is an official diagnosis which hits somewhere like 1 in 133 of people.

But there is also such thing as gluten sensitivity which causes symptoms such as poor digestion, bloating, farting, etc. (See for more symptoms: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003123.htm).

Here are obviously some studies on emerging stuff on gluten sensitivity:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1954879/
http://gut.bmj.com/content/early/2011/04/06/gut.2010.232900.abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21443726
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21392369
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21378766 <-- gluten involved with some pathogenesis of IBS
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21224837
http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=when-and-why-did-everyone-stop-eati-2011-05-10
http://robbwolf.com/2011/01/12/hey-robb-this-person-said-gluten-free-diets-are-bogus/

wheat and china
http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/09/02/the-china-study-wheat-and-heart-disease-oh-my/
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/07/wheat-is-invading-china.html

Wheat may cause auto-immune development:
http://perfecthealthdiet.com/?p=911

And of course the huge review done on DGAC last year criticizing the health statements of "whole grains" (among other things listed above):
http://www.nutritionjrnl.com/article/PIIS0899900710002893/fulltext

how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
shinosai
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1577 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-28 03:26:15
May 28 2011 03:25 GMT
#6179
deleteme
Be versatile, know when to retreat, and carry a big gun.
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
May 28 2011 03:28 GMT
#6180
Shinosai, you're right. There is VERY little consensus in the world of nutrition. It seems that whatever point you wish to make, you can find studies supporting it, and just as easily find them disproving it. The majority of us in this thread have found our way to a paleo diet (more or less - most of us have added milk to "paleo"), and it makes those who stick to it long enough to figure a few things out about how their own body runs feel very healthy. I think that's really what it comes down to. Try things, and if they make you feel healthier, stick to them. For me, paleo with milk feels good. I'm never hungry, and as long as I get enough vegetables/fruits/potatoes (aka carbs) I don't feel tired either.

some people eat grains; some people only eat whole grains. Some of us eat a lot of fruit, some of us drink protein shakes. Friends of mine at school who are into lifting swear by lunch meats, especially because the alternative is often skipping a meal. Find what makes you feel good, and what works for your situation. Really, your universal rules are the most "correct" things you're going to find - avoid things that are processed, and make sure to get your veggies. The rest is up to you.
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