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On April 11 2011 18:35 Logros wrote:Don't you think that 60%+ of the population of the US being overweight nowadays has something to do with that?
Bogus study...
Whole grains are good, always were. They are obviously no better than white flour or white rice if you strip they down to nothing as in white bread.
And no america being overweight is due to sedentarity and overconsumption of fast foods, processed foods/dairies, and sugar junk. Basicly everything that comes "prepared" is laced with corn syrup/starch and salt. Portions are huge, people dont move anymore aside from going from the fridge to the couch in front of the tv set.
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On April 11 2011 19:34 AeroGear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 18:35 Logros wrote:Don't you think that 60%+ of the population of the US being overweight nowadays has something to do with that? Bogus study... Whole grains are good, always were. They are obviously no better than white flour or white rice if you strip they down to nothing as in white bread. And no america being overweight is due to sedentarity and overconsumption of fast foods, processed foods/dairies, and sugar junk. Basicly everything that comes "prepared" is laced with corn syrup/starch and salt. Portions are huge, people dont move anymore aside from going from the fridge to the couch in front of the tv set.
If you read the article they're talking about a diabetes increase which is 'supposedly' caused by more whole wheat consumption. I'm saying that they should probably look to the overweight population ofcourse its not caused by whole wheats  .
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On April 11 2011 19:34 AeroGear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 18:35 Logros wrote:Don't you think that 60%+ of the population of the US being overweight nowadays has something to do with that? Bogus study... Whole grains are good, always were. They are obviously no better than white flour or white rice if you strip they down to nothing as in white bread. And no america being overweight is due to sedentarity and overconsumption of fast foods, processed foods/dairies, and sugar junk. Basicly everything that comes "prepared" is laced with corn syrup/starch and salt. Portions are huge, people dont move anymore aside from going from the fridge to the couch in front of the tv set.
It's not foods fault. It's cause Americans take in more then they burn, it doesn't matter what food it is, you can be 6'3" 130 lbs off Mc d's as long as you eat under your maintenence.
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On April 11 2011 20:54 Maxwell3 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 19:34 AeroGear wrote:On April 11 2011 18:35 Logros wrote:Don't you think that 60%+ of the population of the US being overweight nowadays has something to do with that? Bogus study... Whole grains are good, always were. They are obviously no better than white flour or white rice if you strip they down to nothing as in white bread. And no america being overweight is due to sedentarity and overconsumption of fast foods, processed foods/dairies, and sugar junk. Basicly everything that comes "prepared" is laced with corn syrup/starch and salt. Portions are huge, people dont move anymore aside from going from the fridge to the couch in front of the tv set. It's not foods fault. It's cause Americans take in more then they burn, it doesn't matter what food it is, you can be 6'3" 130 lbs off Mc d's as long as you eat under your maintenence.
yes and no. while it still is a question of energy in vs energy out, fast foods and other junkfoods are so calorie dense for their satiety that overeating on them is pretty much a certainty
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I was in a rush home so I decided to be naughty, I went to kfc and ordered 4 of their grilled chicken breasts, they were quite tasty and didn't seem to be anything else to it except for 4 x 1/2 chicken breast, the thing that shit me was that it cost me $15.50 for basically 2 chicken breasts cut in half, which I calculated to less than 150 calories a piece, while their set menus you can get like 3000 calories worth of food for $11.. it's almost like they are forcing bad food on you..
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On April 11 2011 18:35 Logros wrote:Don't you think that 60%+ of the population of the US being overweight nowadays has something to do with that?
It's multifactorial.
For example, another is...
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2010/04/do-seed-oils-cause-multi-generational.html
The big 4 are:
1. Grains/gluten (inflammatory responses)
2. Seed/vegetable oils (excessive omega-6s are inflammatory)
3. Fructose (alters metabolic processes, advanced glycation end products/AGEs)
4. Overconsumption (obviously)
On April 11 2011 19:34 AeroGear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 18:35 Logros wrote:Don't you think that 60%+ of the population of the US being overweight nowadays has something to do with that? Bogus study... Whole grains are good, always were. They are obviously no better than white flour or white rice if you strip they down to nothing as in white bread. And no america being overweight is due to sedentarity and overconsumption of fast foods, processed foods/dairies, and sugar junk. Basicly everything that comes "prepared" is laced with corn syrup/starch and salt. Portions are huge, people dont move anymore aside from going from the fridge to the couch in front of the tv set.
I am sorry you are misinformed...
How do you explain this stuff then:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1954879/
http://perfecthealthdiet.com/?p=911
http://thatpaleoguy.blogspot.com/2011/01/gluten-causes-gastrointestinal-symptoms.html
Wheat/gluten/etc. alter immune responses negatively leading to highly inflammatory states which are associated with metablic syndrome, diabetes, heart disease, diabetes, stroke, PE, auto-immune, and neurological diseases.
(Same with O-6 seed/vegetable oils, fructose, and overconsumption in general).
You may also want to read this:
http://www.nutritionjrnl.com/article/PIIS0899900710002893/fulltext
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You can try to sell the whole "Americans are getting fatter because they're becoming more sedentary and eating more refined sugars," but it's just as easy to argue precisely the opposite: that Americans are sedentary and eating more refined sugars because they're getting fatter off of excessive grain intake.
People are too quick to label grains as healthy just because of what the nutrition industry has been shoving down their throats (almost literally) for the past 30 years. It is amazing that people can argue this point without even reading a single argument made by the opposition--an indication of a person who has little to no confidence in their ideas. Books on this subject I recommend are:
The Primal Blueprint
The Paleo Solution
Good Calories, Bad Calories
These books raise excellent questions about the state of the nutrition industry in America. If you haven't read any of them and still want to promote your 45%-65% calories from complex carbs a day diet, I frankly have nothing to say to you at this point.
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On April 11 2011 23:05 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 18:35 Logros wrote:Don't you think that 60%+ of the population of the US being overweight nowadays has something to do with that? It's multifactorial. For example, another is... http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2010/04/do-seed-oils-cause-multi-generational.htmlThe big 4 are: 1. Grains/gluten (inflammatory responses) 2. Seed/vegetable oils (excessive omega-6s are inflammatory) 3. Fructose (alters metabolic processes, advanced glycation end products/AGEs) 4. Overconsumption (obviously) Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 19:34 AeroGear wrote:On April 11 2011 18:35 Logros wrote:Don't you think that 60%+ of the population of the US being overweight nowadays has something to do with that? Bogus study... Whole grains are good, always were. They are obviously no better than white flour or white rice if you strip they down to nothing as in white bread. And no america being overweight is due to sedentarity and overconsumption of fast foods, processed foods/dairies, and sugar junk. Basicly everything that comes "prepared" is laced with corn syrup/starch and salt. Portions are huge, people dont move anymore aside from going from the fridge to the couch in front of the tv set. I am sorry you are misinformed... How do you explain this stuff then: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1954879/http://perfecthealthdiet.com/?p=911http://thatpaleoguy.blogspot.com/2011/01/gluten-causes-gastrointestinal-symptoms.htmlWheat/gluten/etc. alter immune responses negatively leading to highly inflammatory states which are associated with metablic syndrome, diabetes, heart disease, diabetes, stroke, PE, auto-immune, and neurological diseases. (Same with O-6 seed/vegetable oils, fructose, and overconsumption in general). You may also want to read this: http://www.nutritionjrnl.com/article/PIIS0899900710002893/fulltext
Not really trying to argue the point itself, but rather the source.
A blog isn't the best place to find articles on actual evidence for X argument in my opinion. The first graph seems to simply be correlation. Diabetes on Y, Year on X isn't really an argument against grains. If they said Amount of Grain on X with Diabetes on Y, it would be a better study. Instead, there may be a correlation between these two but that doesn't necessarily mean causation.
I'm sure there is causation there, and the journals and .gov are better sources to find this stuff out (as you later posted). Actually, anybody in college should have access to a database of scholarly journals. These are obviously the best places to find out true information.
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on the topic of correlation vs causation, I think I could construct a similarly correlated graph from a comparison b/w diabetes diagnosis and demographic change in the USA.
Or diabetes diagnosis and the shift in age pyramid structure of while caucasians.
stuff like that
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btw, what are some auxiliary lifts I can/should do to help out my military press progress? Should I just keep military pressing? would incline presses or some form of deltoid work help?
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@rosa I would just try and see if you like it. Only reason I put clean and jerk first is that you will be fresh. You dont really move your shoulders in a front squat, so I dont see how it is warming up for clean and jerk. 
@deadhaji You can try push press. It puts more of a load on you so you can do more weight.
@eshlow wow its funny how ppl come out of nowhere to defend whole wheat :D
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Did some flat bb and db benching today and finished it up with 3 sets of 125kg x 5 on the back squat
edit: I just saw the vegan thread and I am finding it more and more difficult in not trolling said thread...
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On April 12 2011 03:05 sJarl wrote:Did some flat bb and db benching today and finished it up with 3 sets of 125kg x 5 on the back squat edit: I just saw the vegan thread and I am finding it more and more difficult in not trolling said thread...
'specially since meat eating made us human.
http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/low-carb-library/are-we-meat-eaters-or-vegetarians-part-ii/
(study included...)
On April 12 2011 02:24 AoN.DimSum wrote:@rosa I would just try and see if you like it. Only reason I put clean and jerk first is that you will be fresh. You dont really move your shoulders in a front squat, so I dont see how it is warming up for clean and jerk. @deadhaji You can try push press. It puts more of a load on you so you can do more weight. @eshlow wow its funny how ppl come out of nowhere to defend whole wheat :D
I'm surprised there is more resistance to whole wheat being bad for you more than there is for saturated fats/cholesterol being good for you.
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On April 12 2011 03:05 sJarl wrote:Did some flat bb and db benching today and finished it up with 3 sets of 125kg x 5 on the back squat edit: I just saw the vegan thread and I am finding it more and more difficult in not trolling said thread...
Yeah i think its best if i just avoid reading that thread to keep my blood pressure down..
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so yesterday my family got together for a big bbq. I told everyone that I dont eat breakfast anymore because a) intermittent fasting is very healthy and b) breakfast cereals are not.
my mom exclaimed "well come on, surely breakfast cereals are way more healthy than that 500g steak you are devouring at the moment"
facepalm moment 
I was unable to convince her otherwise T_T sad day
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I feel you man...it is the same as trying to convince my dad that potatoes and bread is not good for him, overweight and with too high bp and all...
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meh, my mom went vegetarian for lent and refuses to buy me whole milk because it has "too much fat" while constantly telling me not to supplement with vitamin D. At least she's gluten intolerant so there's none of that at home to eat
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Not to derail all the nutrition discssion, but...
I has a funeral for my grandfather today. I haven't told anyone I know at school that doesn't need to know, so I guess you could say TL is the first time I've told anyone. I was a pallbearer, along with several of my cousins... and wether it was actually so, or it was in my head, that coffin was the heaviest damn thing I ever want to lift in my life. Every step of the way I was thankful for every single squat and deadlift I've ever done. Every drop of sweat ive shed these last months, every one of the fourty pounds ive put on. I think back now, and I doubt that if this had happened in august, I would have been able to stand here as a man amongst my family, and carry my grandfather to his burial.
Starting to get emotional again... but I will leave you all with a thank you. The confidence, the poise, he mindset I've earned from lifting has done so much for me these last months. I can't recommend it enough to anyone. And to all you who are already lifting... do your deadlifts. Even in a modern world, there are some things you're going to want to do yourself.
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On April 12 2011 05:22 decafchicken wrote:meh, my mom went vegetarian for lent and refuses to buy me whole milk because it has "too much fat" while constantly telling me not to supplement with vitamin D. At least she's gluten intolerant so there's none of that at home to eat
yeah I think the hardest thing is to convince people that fat is not per se bad. I just get laughed at every time I say it so I've just kinda given up :/
On April 12 2011 05:38 phyre112 wrote:
Not to derail all the nutrition discssion, but...
I has a funeral for my grandfather today. I haven't told anyone I know at school that doesn't need to know, so I guess you could say TL is the first time I've told anyone. I was a pallbearer, along with several of my cousins... and wether it was actually so, or it was in my head, that coffin was the heaviest damn thing I ever want to lift in my life. Every step of the way I was thankful for every single squat and deadlift I've ever done. Every drop of sweat ive shed these last months, every one of the fourty pounds ive put on. I think back now, and I doubt that if this had happened in august, I would have been able to stand here as a man amongst my family, and carry my grandfather to his burial.
Starting to get emotional again... but I will leave you all with a thank you. The confidence, the poise, he mindset I've earned from lifting has done so much for me these last months. I can't recommend it enough to anyone. And to all you who are already lifting... do your deadlifts. Even in a modern world, there are some things you're going to want to do yourself.
aw man, my sincere condolences cant imagine how that must've felt...
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On April 12 2011 05:38 phyre112 wrote:
Not to derail all the nutrition discssion, but...
I has a funeral for my grandfather today. I haven't told anyone I know at school that doesn't need to know, so I guess you could say TL is the first time I've told anyone. I was a pallbearer, along with several of my cousins... and wether it was actually so, or it was in my head, that coffin was the heaviest damn thing I ever want to lift in my life. Every step of the way I was thankful for every single squat and deadlift I've ever done. Every drop of sweat ive shed these last months, every one of the fourty pounds ive put on. I think back now, and I doubt that if this had happened in august, I would have been able to stand here as a man amongst my family, and carry my grandfather to his burial.
Starting to get emotional again... but I will leave you all with a thank you. The confidence, the poise, he mindset I've earned from lifting has done so much for me these last months. I can't recommend it enough to anyone. And to all you who are already lifting... do your deadlifts. Even in a modern world, there are some things you're going to want to do yourself.
I'm sorry for your loss.
This is a truly touching story.
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Can link as many of those pro meat eating articles as you want. I do not lend much credibility to doctors who plug in their "revolutionary" book(s) every paragraph or 2.
You would achieve the same training results (as I do) with a balanced diet given a similar caloric intake, provided the nutrients you take are of good quality. It takes less to achieve said intake if you eat a lot of fat, I'll give you that.
Why promote paleo diet so much if its not really sustainable. One would generate more food if land was given to crops rather than cattle feed. Maybe ancestors relied more so on meat than their modern counterpart, they also did way more exercise and had to fight the climate/environment a lot more, not to mention their life expectancy was prolly in the 30's. You cant compare wild game (lean meat) with growth hormone/antibiotics/powerfed livestock. I cant rely on a study that compares apples to oranges.
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