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On June 11 2011 03:48 pHaRSiDE wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2011 03:41 HoldenR wrote:On June 11 2011 03:34 PanzerKing wrote:On June 11 2011 03:20 HoldenR wrote:
Not thought through at all.
Regardless of your actual reason having effect(have you actually researched whether more girls become interested in SC2 due to there being female only leagues?), it's about the image this represent. This can be interpreted in the following ways: No. No, it can't. Let me stop you right there.You are wrong, the rest of your post is a travesty, and if you don't understand why, go back and read my previous post. I mean, "special treatment?" How can this possibly be interpreted as special treatment? You are not invited. That's it. It is not for you. That is not special treatment. They're not asking for an extra elimination bracket in tournaments with male gamers, they're not asking for an extra worker at the start of the game against non-male players, they're not asking for larger prize pools for female tournament winners - you're simply not invited. T hat has absolutely nothing to do with 'special treatment' in any intelligible definition of the word. Just because men are not dominating an event or a venue does not equate to "reverse sexism." There are one, maybe two female-only tournaments out there, and more fucking tournaments than you can shake a stick at for male gamers. The idea that you equate that with discrimination is laughable, and shows that you don't understand the meaning of the word and that you didn't really think about what constitutes discrimination before writing your post. And I think they can worry about their image on their own - they don't need you to give them advice in that regard. There are exactly zero tournaments for male gamers. There are tournaments for gamers, and then we have here, tournaments for FEMALE gamers. It is not the fault of people who participate in tournaments that women don't enter them - they are free to. If you can't see how this is special treatment(hint: it's basically telling women it's okay to be worse, they'll still "compete with male superstars" without having the same quality), you're as blind as a bat. I can sympathize with women that they get singled out online in video games, I really can, but with these kind of tournaments and ideals, they are only promoting the idea that they're different. Which is really, really bad. I have nothing further to say to someone foaming at the mouth with rage. When are you and other haters going to learn to actually read and understand what the reason is behind this league. I'm not even going to repeat it again, I am just going to keep on reporting post that keep on trying to create the false division in the sc2 of girls and guys. The females do compete in those tournaments, but guess how many of them you hear about? None. Like I already said 1000000 times, its about shining a spot light on different people in the scene rather than the same people always winning. It has nothing to do with skill but its the same principle of why people host bronze cups, or platinum cups etc. Those people never beat grandmasters, so by your thinking, they never deserve any spot light ever. This is a broken opinion you have, and if you want to have it, then have it. But don't come to our thread trying to to make it seem like we are horrible people for attempting to bring more diversity to the scene. You are seriously messed up...Get off your high horse and you might have a better outlook on things like this.
But why do we need to make false community figures out of people simply because they won tournaments with lower skill levels? People should become popular and respected through actually being skilled players or important members of the community, not winning specialized tournaments created simply to make us appear as a more gender balanced community.
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On June 11 2011 03:50 HoldenR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2011 03:46 PanzerKing wrote:On June 11 2011 03:41 HoldenR wrote:On June 11 2011 03:34 PanzerKing wrote:On June 11 2011 03:20 HoldenR wrote:
Not thought through at all.
Regardless of your actual reason having effect(have you actually researched whether more girls become interested in SC2 due to there being female only leagues?), it's about the image this represent. This can be interpreted in the following ways: No. No, it can't. Let me stop you right there.You are wrong, the rest of your post is a travesty, and if you don't understand why, go back and read my previous post. I mean, "special treatment?" How can this possibly be interpreted as special treatment? You are not invited. That's it. It is not for you. That is not special treatment. They're not asking for an extra elimination bracket in tournaments with male gamers, they're not asking for an extra worker at the start of the game against non-male players, they're not asking for larger prize pools for female tournament winners - you're simply not invited. T hat has absolutely nothing to do with 'special treatment' in any intelligible definition of the word. Just because men are not dominating an event or a venue does not equate to "reverse sexism." There are one, maybe two female-only tournaments out there, and more fucking tournaments than you can shake a stick at for male gamers. The idea that you equate that with discrimination is laughable, and shows that you don't understand the meaning of the word and that you didn't really think about what constitutes discrimination before writing your post. And I think they can worry about their image on their own - they don't need you to give them advice in that regard. There are exactly zero tournaments for male gamers. There are tournaments for gamers, and then we have here, tournaments for FEMALE gamers. It is not the fault of people who participate in tournaments that women don't enter them - they are free to. If you can't see how this is special treatment(hint: it's basically telling women it's okay to be worse, they'll still "compete with male superstars" without having the same quality), you're as blind as a bat. I can sympathize with women that they get singled out online in video games, I really can, but with these kind of tournaments and ideals, they are only promoting the idea that they're different. Which is really, really bad. I have nothing further to say to someone foaming at the mouth with rage. If you REALLY think that there are no differences between men and women, then I don't know what I could possibly say to you that would explain how wrong you are. Maybe you should go read my prior post like I said, and think before you type next time. There is no need to read anything by you. I could deconstruct your entire post, and all it would do is make you scream and shout louder without reading what I said - like you did the first time, and did just now. Good job being racist about it too, my lord. My post was aimed at the people organizing this tournament - they can take from it what they will. If they want to ignore entirely like you, they are free too. That's not sad for me, that's sad for women who play video games. This is a step in the wrong direction to them seeing equal treatment in video games, and they're choosing to take it themselves.And please stop bringing up as if I want to participate in this, or any, tournament. I find SC2 extremely enjoyable to watch, but I'm stuck between diamond and platinum and have no interest in becoming better. This has nothing to do with me not being invited. Please, either don't reply again, or first take a long break to calm down.
A step in the wrong direction? You think the new girls we bring into SC2 competitive gaming will NEVER play in open non-restrictive cups? What is wrong with you?
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On June 11 2011 03:52 Odal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2011 03:48 pHaRSiDE wrote:On June 11 2011 03:41 HoldenR wrote:On June 11 2011 03:34 PanzerKing wrote:On June 11 2011 03:20 HoldenR wrote:
Not thought through at all.
Regardless of your actual reason having effect(have you actually researched whether more girls become interested in SC2 due to there being female only leagues?), it's about the image this represent. This can be interpreted in the following ways: No. No, it can't. Let me stop you right there.You are wrong, the rest of your post is a travesty, and if you don't understand why, go back and read my previous post. I mean, "special treatment?" How can this possibly be interpreted as special treatment? You are not invited. That's it. It is not for you. That is not special treatment. They're not asking for an extra elimination bracket in tournaments with male gamers, they're not asking for an extra worker at the start of the game against non-male players, they're not asking for larger prize pools for female tournament winners - you're simply not invited. T hat has absolutely nothing to do with 'special treatment' in any intelligible definition of the word. Just because men are not dominating an event or a venue does not equate to "reverse sexism." There are one, maybe two female-only tournaments out there, and more fucking tournaments than you can shake a stick at for male gamers. The idea that you equate that with discrimination is laughable, and shows that you don't understand the meaning of the word and that you didn't really think about what constitutes discrimination before writing your post. And I think they can worry about their image on their own - they don't need you to give them advice in that regard. There are exactly zero tournaments for male gamers. There are tournaments for gamers, and then we have here, tournaments for FEMALE gamers. It is not the fault of people who participate in tournaments that women don't enter them - they are free to. If you can't see how this is special treatment(hint: it's basically telling women it's okay to be worse, they'll still "compete with male superstars" without having the same quality), you're as blind as a bat. I can sympathize with women that they get singled out online in video games, I really can, but with these kind of tournaments and ideals, they are only promoting the idea that they're different. Which is really, really bad. I have nothing further to say to someone foaming at the mouth with rage. When are you and other haters going to learn to actually read and understand what the reason is behind this league. I'm not even going to repeat it again, I am just going to keep on reporting post that keep on trying to create the false division in the sc2 of girls and guys. The females do compete in those tournaments, but guess how many of them you hear about? None. Like I already said 1000000 times, its about shining a spot light on different people in the scene rather than the same people always winning. It has nothing to do with skill but its the same principle of why people host bronze cups, or platinum cups etc. Those people never beat grandmasters, so by your thinking, they never deserve any spot light ever. This is a broken opinion you have, and if you want to have it, then have it. But don't come to our thread trying to to make it seem like we are horrible people for attempting to bring more diversity to the scene. You are seriously messed up...Get off your high horse and you might have a better outlook on things like this. But why do we need to make false community figures out of people simply because they won tournaments with lower skill levels? People should become popular and respected through actually being skilled players or important members of the community, not winning specialized tournaments created simply to make us appear as a more gender balanced community.
For 1000000th time, it encourages more female players to compete. Its the same principle behind other restrictive cups. Why can you not see this man lol. Do I need to say it a 1000000 more times?
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On June 11 2011 03:50 HoldenR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2011 03:46 PanzerKing wrote:On June 11 2011 03:41 HoldenR wrote:On June 11 2011 03:34 PanzerKing wrote:On June 11 2011 03:20 HoldenR wrote:
Not thought through at all.
Regardless of your actual reason having effect(have you actually researched whether more girls become interested in SC2 due to there being female only leagues?), it's about the image this represent. This can be interpreted in the following ways: No. No, it can't. Let me stop you right there.You are wrong, the rest of your post is a travesty, and if you don't understand why, go back and read my previous post. I mean, "special treatment?" How can this possibly be interpreted as special treatment? You are not invited. That's it. It is not for you. That is not special treatment. They're not asking for an extra elimination bracket in tournaments with male gamers, they're not asking for an extra worker at the start of the game against non-male players, they're not asking for larger prize pools for female tournament winners - you're simply not invited. T hat has absolutely nothing to do with 'special treatment' in any intelligible definition of the word. Just because men are not dominating an event or a venue does not equate to "reverse sexism." There are one, maybe two female-only tournaments out there, and more fucking tournaments than you can shake a stick at for male gamers. The idea that you equate that with discrimination is laughable, and shows that you don't understand the meaning of the word and that you didn't really think about what constitutes discrimination before writing your post. And I think they can worry about their image on their own - they don't need you to give them advice in that regard. There are exactly zero tournaments for male gamers. There are tournaments for gamers, and then we have here, tournaments for FEMALE gamers. It is not the fault of people who participate in tournaments that women don't enter them - they are free to. If you can't see how this is special treatment(hint: it's basically telling women it's okay to be worse, they'll still "compete with male superstars" without having the same quality), you're as blind as a bat. I can sympathize with women that they get singled out online in video games, I really can, but with these kind of tournaments and ideals, they are only promoting the idea that they're different. Which is really, really bad. I have nothing further to say to someone foaming at the mouth with rage. If you REALLY think that there are no differences between men and women, then I don't know what I could possibly say to you that would explain how wrong you are. Maybe you should go read my prior post like I said, and think before you type next time. There is no need to read anything by you. I could deconstruct your entire post, and all it would do is make you scream and shout louder without reading what I said - like you did the first time, and did just now. Good job being racist about it too, my lord. My post was aimed at the people organizing this tournament - they can take from it what they will. If they want to ignore entirely like you, they are free too. That's not sad for me, that's sad for women who play video games. This is a step in the wrong direction to them seeing equal treatment in video games, and they're choosing to take it themselves. And please stop bringing up as if I want to participate in this, or any, tournament. I find SC2 extremely enjoyable to watch, but I'm stuck between diamond and platinum and have no interest in becoming better. This has nothing to do with me not being invited. Please, either don't reply again, or first take a long break to calm down.
The self-importance and arrogance you exhibited in your initial post is being matched and exceeded in the first paragraph of your awful reply here. You're so convinced in the rightness of your own opinions that you can't possibly consider that women might want their own venue to promote female gamer interest in SC2 through different language, role models, websites, etc., than you would use with male gamers. No, it's discrimination against YOU, because YOU are the center of attention. At all times. Even in a thread that you have absolutely no fucking reason to be in.
Why do I post on this site? So many misogynistic, racist, overblown male teenage egos running rampant.
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On June 11 2011 03:48 pHaRSiDE wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2011 03:41 HoldenR wrote:On June 11 2011 03:34 PanzerKing wrote:On June 11 2011 03:20 HoldenR wrote:
Not thought through at all.
Regardless of your actual reason having effect(have you actually researched whether more girls become interested in SC2 due to there being female only leagues?), it's about the image this represent. This can be interpreted in the following ways: No. No, it can't. Let me stop you right there.You are wrong, the rest of your post is a travesty, and if you don't understand why, go back and read my previous post. I mean, "special treatment?" How can this possibly be interpreted as special treatment? You are not invited. That's it. It is not for you. That is not special treatment. They're not asking for an extra elimination bracket in tournaments with male gamers, they're not asking for an extra worker at the start of the game against non-male players, they're not asking for larger prize pools for female tournament winners - you're simply not invited. T hat has absolutely nothing to do with 'special treatment' in any intelligible definition of the word. Just because men are not dominating an event or a venue does not equate to "reverse sexism." There are one, maybe two female-only tournaments out there, and more fucking tournaments than you can shake a stick at for male gamers. The idea that you equate that with discrimination is laughable, and shows that you don't understand the meaning of the word and that you didn't really think about what constitutes discrimination before writing your post. And I think they can worry about their image on their own - they don't need you to give them advice in that regard. There are exactly zero tournaments for male gamers. There are tournaments for gamers, and then we have here, tournaments for FEMALE gamers. It is not the fault of people who participate in tournaments that women don't enter them - they are free to. If you can't see how this is special treatment(hint: it's basically telling women it's okay to be worse, they'll still "compete with male superstars" without having the same quality), you're as blind as a bat. I can sympathize with women that they get singled out online in video games, I really can, but with these kind of tournaments and ideals, they are only promoting the idea that they're different. Which is really, really bad. I have nothing further to say to someone foaming at the mouth with rage. When are you and other haters going to learn to actually read and understand what the reason is behind this league. I'm not even going to repeat it again, I am just going to keep on reporting post that keep on trying to create the false division in the sc2 of girls and guys. The females do compete in those tournaments, but guess how many of them you hear about? None. Like I already said 1000000 times, its about shining a spot light on different people in the scene rather than the same people always winning. It has nothing to do with skill but its the same principle of why people host bronze cups, or platinum cups etc. Those people never beat grandmasters, so by your thinking, they never deserve any spot light ever. This is a broken opinion you have, and if you want to have it, then have it. But don't come to our thread trying to to make it seem like we are horrible people for attempting to bring more diversity to the scene. You are seriously messed up...Get off your high horse and you might have a better outlook on things like this.
I read your reasoning. I am not a "hater", and it would be terrific if you stopped using words that 4chan puts in your mouth. I am trying to explain to you how negatively this comes across to people.
Not everyone deserves to be in the spotlight. I've certainly never been in it, and I have no one to blame but myself. I could compete in a bronze-platinum tournament, and maybe I'd get to a higher standing, but that doesn't interest me. You know why? Because I don't need to be told I'm a winner when I'm not. I don't need, what is in every possible way you can define it, special treatment. If they're not at the level of grandmasters, then why aren't these platinum cups good enough for them? I don't see you sticking up for the ability for bronze/silver/gold men to "get a chance at the spotlight".
Honestly, half your post is just inflammatory, and I never came here looking to hurdle insults, only to offer perspective. However, I've lost interest in trying to tell you how you're harming the image of girls who play video games at least, from my(and apparently many other guys')perspective. You can pave your own road to hell if you like. I did not come here out of some imaginary hatred for women that you keep seeing in everyone who disagrees with your approach, but there's no talking to you.
Good luck with your tournament. I hope it doesn't lead to further segregation like I think it will, but that is something we'll never know.
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And now people are simply making this an emotional argument instead of an actual semi polite discussion. This is why we can't have nice things. Glad to see the esl guy is also an unprofessional child that cannot maintain a mature stance on this subject.
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As if I'm not suppose to get frustrated by people continuously spouting the same broken reasoning that we have already explained is not the case here.
The league is about bringing more people to the scene and encouraging more competitive play from a section of gamers who do not typically try to compete at higher levels. The faster everyone can understand this fact, the faster the arguments can stop.
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On June 11 2011 04:02 pHaRSiDE wrote:
As if I'm not suppose to get frustrated by people continuously spouting the same broken reasoning that we have already explained is not the case here.
The league is about bringing more people to the scene and encouraging more competitive play from a section of gamers who do not typically try to compete at higher levels. The faster everyone can understand this fact, the faster the arguments can stop.
No one is debating what your vision is. No one is doubting your intentions either. They're arguing that you're going to have the opposite effect, causing segregation and fragmentation of the community. That's 2 very different things that it seems people are not differentiating in this argument. Repeating the same thing over and over isn't going to change either side's mind, particularly since the crux of the argument is all based on conjecture on whether or not it'll draw more women in or cause segregation. I summed it up better in my previous post but neither side will find a resolution here...
My personal point of view is "Meh, who cares." I'm going to follow this about as much as I would follow any other random tournament. It's not because I have anything against the ladies or whatever; I've pretty much not watched any Competo or Zotac or Go4SC2 cups either just because there's so much SC2 content available...
I said it in my last post and I'll say it again... Have fun with the tourney. Hope it runs smoothly. You don't need to justify yourselves to anyone for running a tourney. Heck, I ran a tourney with a bunch of friends over the last couple of months and none of you TL forum people were invited either!
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On June 11 2011 03:46 PanzerKing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2011 03:41 HoldenR wrote:On June 11 2011 03:34 PanzerKing wrote:On June 11 2011 03:20 HoldenR wrote:
Not thought through at all.
Regardless of your actual reason having effect(have you actually researched whether more girls become interested in SC2 due to there being female only leagues?), it's about the image this represent. This can be interpreted in the following ways: No. No, it can't. Let me stop you right there.You are wrong, the rest of your post is a travesty, and if you don't understand why, go back and read my previous post. I mean, "special treatment?" How can this possibly be interpreted as special treatment? You are not invited. That's it. It is not for you. That is not special treatment. They're not asking for an extra elimination bracket in tournaments with male gamers, they're not asking for an extra worker at the start of the game against non-male players, they're not asking for larger prize pools for female tournament winners - you're simply not invited. T hat has absolutely nothing to do with 'special treatment' in any intelligible definition of the word. Just because men are not dominating an event or a venue does not equate to "reverse sexism." There are one, maybe two female-only tournaments out there, and more fucking tournaments than you can shake a stick at for male gamers. The idea that you equate that with discrimination is laughable, and shows that you don't understand the meaning of the word and that you didn't really think about what constitutes discrimination before writing your post. And I think they can worry about their image on their own - they don't need you to give them advice in that regard. There are exactly zero tournaments for male gamers. There are tournaments for gamers, and then we have here, tournaments for FEMALE gamers. It is not the fault of people who participate in tournaments that women don't enter them - they are free to. If you can't see how this is special treatment(hint: it's basically telling women it's okay to be worse, they'll still "compete with male superstars" without having the same quality), you're as blind as a bat. I can sympathize with women that they get singled out online in video games, I really can, but with these kind of tournaments and ideals, they are only promoting the idea that they're different. Which is really, really bad. I have nothing further to say to someone foaming at the mouth with rage. If you REALLY think that there are no differences between men and women, then I don't know what I could possibly say to you that would explain how wrong you are. Maybe you should go read my prior post like I said, and think before you type next time.
For all of the people saying go re-read the post and the vision... it is clear that the vision of this league is to discriminate and separate women from men in competitive starcraft.
It really is not difficult to read. You being able to understand something that is not written is a different skill and also meaningless in a discussion about the facts.
Here is the "Vision" written exactly as it is posted with emphasis in bold:
"The vision behind the Iron Lady section is to provide a place for female gamers to thrive in a male dominated sport. The goal will be to provide the highest quality tournaments and leagues, so that the top female gamers can finally shine just as much as the top male gamers do with no intimidation."
I think you would have a much better reaction in the community if you took more time to write this vision/idea and weren't being so hostile to all of the responses.
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I think this a great idea. I hope this will lead to new build orders and strategies. As a male in real world i find having a females perspectives a benefit. Hopefully this translates to SC2. Good luck have fun I look forward to viewing your play styles and timings.
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I feel like this league actually just panders to perverts seeking female gamers to idolize and/or stalk. I love the concept of growing a community, but I'm not sure I believe that is the sole purpose of this league.
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I think a lot of you lack perspective and are missing the point completely. The female community, not that I speak for every individual, could careless if you (as males), watch the tournament. The tournament is to draw more females into the community in a meaningful way. More participation by groups under represented is good for the SC2 community as a whole.
So the issue, it seems, is the opinion of a vocal few who feel like a female only tournament is counter productive to that end (bringing more people in). This is where I feel those making that argument lack perspective. Look at CS1.6. It had a thriving competitive female community. It had HUGE female specific tournaments. Now, short of an empirical study using regression modeling, neither side can quantify the effect that having female only events had on CS1.6's popularity or longevity. That said, I think that it is "in play" to postulate that it was a benefit to that community. As someone who played CS1.6, is female, and attended LANs competitively -- I feel comfortable saying that it would behoove the SC2 community to reach out to female gamers. Are female tournaments the end all be all? Of course not, but history has shown that they are a piece of the puzzle.
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Chance for more nerds like myself to score awesome girlfriends
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Female-only tournaments are great. If they bring new players and are enjoyable for those participating and viewers as well, it's awesome for the SC2 scene. I don't understand why so many people want to hate on these kinds of tournaments. There are plenty out there with similar restrictions based on age, gender, geographic location, etc. All for this, good job organizers.
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When's the first tournament>? Couldnt seem to find anything. I am pretty interested in seeing the top women compete, women think differently from men, I wonder if their strategies would be different too. Go FESPORTS!
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I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia, the sons of nerd males and the son of female nerds will be able to sit down in a table of brotherhood. T.T
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hopefully we can get something like the ice fisher out this league
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On June 11 2011 04:28 TheOne85 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2011 03:46 PanzerKing wrote:On June 11 2011 03:41 HoldenR wrote:On June 11 2011 03:34 PanzerKing wrote:On June 11 2011 03:20 HoldenR wrote:
Not thought through at all.
Regardless of your actual reason having effect(have you actually researched whether more girls become interested in SC2 due to there being female only leagues?), it's about the image this represent. This can be interpreted in the following ways: No. No, it can't. Let me stop you right there.You are wrong, the rest of your post is a travesty, and if you don't understand why, go back and read my previous post. I mean, "special treatment?" How can this possibly be interpreted as special treatment? You are not invited. That's it. It is not for you. That is not special treatment. They're not asking for an extra elimination bracket in tournaments with male gamers, they're not asking for an extra worker at the start of the game against non-male players, they're not asking for larger prize pools for female tournament winners - you're simply not invited. T hat has absolutely nothing to do with 'special treatment' in any intelligible definition of the word. Just because men are not dominating an event or a venue does not equate to "reverse sexism." There are one, maybe two female-only tournaments out there, and more fucking tournaments than you can shake a stick at for male gamers. The idea that you equate that with discrimination is laughable, and shows that you don't understand the meaning of the word and that you didn't really think about what constitutes discrimination before writing your post. And I think they can worry about their image on their own - they don't need you to give them advice in that regard. There are exactly zero tournaments for male gamers. There are tournaments for gamers, and then we have here, tournaments for FEMALE gamers. It is not the fault of people who participate in tournaments that women don't enter them - they are free to. If you can't see how this is special treatment(hint: it's basically telling women it's okay to be worse, they'll still "compete with male superstars" without having the same quality), you're as blind as a bat. I can sympathize with women that they get singled out online in video games, I really can, but with these kind of tournaments and ideals, they are only promoting the idea that they're different. Which is really, really bad. I have nothing further to say to someone foaming at the mouth with rage. If you REALLY think that there are no differences between men and women, then I don't know what I could possibly say to you that would explain how wrong you are. Maybe you should go read my prior post like I said, and think before you type next time. For all of the people saying go re-read the post and the vision... it is clear that the vision of this league is to discriminate and separate women from men in competitive starcraft. It really is not difficult to read. You being able to understand something that is not written is a different skill and also meaningless in a discussion about the facts. Here is the "Vision" written exactly as it is posted with emphasis in bold: "The vision behind the Iron Lady section is to provide a place for female gamers to thrive in a male dominated sport. The goal will be to provide the highest quality tournaments and leagues, so that the top female gamers can finally shine just as much as the top male gamers do with no intimidation." I think you would have a much better reaction in the community if you took more time to write this vision/idea and weren't being so hostile to all of the responses.
No, the point is not discrimination in any meaningful, intelligible sense of the word. Yes, it does create a separate space for female gamers, but NO, it does not discriminate in any meaningful way. Is there any significant impact on male gamers? Does it restrict their options in any meaningful way? Is it harder, in any noticeable sense for male gamers to find community news and opportunities for competition? No. Does it restrict the options of female gamers in any way? No, it expands them. To call it "discrimination" per se, is a pointless exercise in semantics that misses the entire purpose of female-oriented community venues and events. The impact on male gamers is so laughably small that it makes the outrage coming from other posters (not you in particular) both hilarious and offensive.
I'll stop posting here both out of respect for the mod's warning as well as the fact that I don't want my opinions to be accidentally affiliated with the ESL - I'm not associated with them in any way. I'll end by saying good luck to the organizers, and good luck to the participants.
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On June 11 2011 05:45 rawbertson wrote:
When's the first tournament>? Couldnt seem to find anything. I am pretty interested in seeing the top women compete, women think differently from men, I wonder if their strategies would be different too. Go FESPORTS!
First tournament is June 25th at 1:00 pm EST
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Good luck with it all! I think its a fantastic idea.
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