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This is not a discussion topic on whether you think women should run separate tournaments. This is a thread for the NESL Iron Lady events.

If you would like to sign up or wish them well or offer aid and support, this is the place. If you want to complain about the work they've put in or their message, don't. This is your warning. - Jibba 16:18PM EST / 05:18 KST
AgonyOfLife
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany26 Posts
June 11 2011 20:27 GMT
#161
On June 10 2011 06:12 Mikey wrote:
Kind of stupid if you ask me. No offense to female gamers, but why should they get there own tournaments that exclude male players? Do tournaments exclude women from them? No. I think this is just meant to make female players stand out, but should they stand out if they aren't achieving results in normal tournaments?


Of course, they should stand out! The current ratio of female sc2-gamers compared to the male sc2-gamers is straight up ridiculous. There are e.g. 3 or 4 female streamers on TL.net compared to what... a hundred male streamers?
imo tournaments like these are great, just because of promoting the female community. Sure, there are no "men-only" tournaments but if by opening a female tournament the game attracts more women/girls - by all means: do it! Perhaps there is a "Idraesse" out there who just doesn't know it, yet.
A pirate I was meant to be, trim the sails and roam the sea.
two.watup
Profile Joined March 2011
United States371 Posts
June 11 2011 20:48 GMT
#162
I like this idea!

I don't quite know why girls seem to not be as good at things like SC2, but I like girls, and I like games, so the two together is a win!
4ZakeN87
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-11 22:12:42
June 11 2011 22:01 GMT
#163
Yeah this is the argument that everyone makes, at this sort off what people want to belive but im not really convinced that it is so.

I mean if you look at chess, which is to some extent similiare to SC2 and has been a mixed sport between females and males for a very long time. The best female chess player (cant remember her name but she´s from Hungary) of all times was as highest ranked number 8 in the world. Making here extremly skilled of course but still.

Also I think the fact that through the entire history of epsort there has´nt been one female dominating a big game (as far as I know at least) is a strong argument.

People want there to be no difference but that doesnt make it so.

On June 10 2011 12:22 NaviListen wrote:
Oh god the discussion going on in this thread is hilarious. None of you have even come close to the reason why there aren't any prominent women in Starcraft professional gaming.

It's because we make up .002% of the SC2 community.

Out of the tens of thousands of gamers on Reddit and Teamliquid, our Facebook group Girls of SC2 is made up of merely 70-100 at best. That number might grow or might not grow in the near future yet even if it grew to 200 or 300 we aren't even .01% of the community. And even out of 100, only a fraction of us play competitively. Try to name as many female gamers that are competing as you can. I bet you could count us on your hands, you wouldn't even have to use your toes.

So enough with the "girls can't compete with guys on equal terms" nonsense. The girls that are in the community can compete. You can't expect there to instantly be a "Tossgirl" for SC2 just because it's 2011 and it's a completely new game. These tournaments geared toward women are to get more women involved. It's not separation based on skill like bronze/silver tournaments are. Support these events and us, or continue to sit there mindlessly bickering about how women can't play video games, ignoring the obvious truth in front of you.

"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler" Einstein
SCSaampson
Profile Joined September 2010
4 Posts
June 12 2011 01:00 GMT
#164
The only reason there are female only sports is because men are physically superior at the highest levels. This is not the case in a video game. If females practiced and trained as much as a male I don't see how they would not be able to compete. I feel like this is putting females back 40 years. If you are going to compete then compete. Do it on the level that you play and stop getting special treatment because you are a female. Also, unless you are at a live event no one even knows you are not a male. And unless you are in the top .01% of people who play SC2 then you wont be at live events playing anyways.

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Kon-Tiki
Profile Joined February 2011
United States402 Posts
June 12 2011 03:28 GMT
#165
Like to see this kind of stuff! GL and HF!
I am a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar.
Kerotan
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
England2109 Posts
June 12 2011 05:49 GMT
#166
Cadenza for winner, one of the better players in the UK, I hope she does well.
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drdreggor
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden207 Posts
June 12 2011 11:03 GMT
#167
GL with the tournament, great initiative!
Wake up Mr. Freeman, wake up and smell the ashes.
entropius
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1046 Posts
June 12 2011 16:36 GMT
#168
I don't see why anybody should object to this sort of thing -- it's a free world. Want to run a tournament only for lefties, or for redheads? Go right ahead; if it's a good show then people will tune in on stream and enjoy it.

I see no way that this is a bad thing. The absolute worst thing that can happen is that the tournament is crap and people ignore it, but hopefully we shall see some awesome play from some players nobody has ever heard of, and it'll give some unknown folks the recognition they need to compete in open (mixed-sex) tournaments.
Jarvs
Profile Joined December 2009
Australia639 Posts
June 12 2011 17:23 GMT
#169
Anything to bring females in to the competitive gaming scene I'm strongly for. Keep these competitions coming!
Cthun
Profile Joined April 2011
Israel71 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 18:43:07
June 12 2011 18:41 GMT
#170
So wait... Are all the 10 (actual) females playing star craft competitively going to be in this league??

Joke aside, I like this idea, hopefully it will grow into something that will attract more of those lovely female players (:
juxtaposedhearts0
Profile Joined November 2010
United States50 Posts
June 12 2011 21:04 GMT
#171
I am slightly interested in this. I am a female already doing my own tournaments and working with Hyper Crew on events. Not sure I want to segregate myself to female only though
Twitter: juxtaposedheart
Dagobert
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Netherlands1858 Posts
June 13 2011 01:00 GMT
#172
FeSports... Diamond > Platinum > Gold > Silver > Bronze > Iron ?
Hidden sexism!

Nah, as long as enough girls sign up, nobody will complain. All for it.
MediumSpicy
Profile Joined August 2010
United States20 Posts
June 13 2011 03:20 GMT
#173
I dont think there should be a "women's" division and a "men's" division. Make it equal. If you're good enough you're good enough -- gender should be a non-issue for sc2. TossGirl would still rofflestomp 90% (BS statistic/expression, hold your flame) of male players.

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Toss like a boss.
pHaRSiDE
Profile Joined March 2011
United States752 Posts
June 13 2011 04:48 GMT
#174
Someone really can't read .
twitter.com/ThePharsideESL / ESL IEM NA Admin / WCS NA Qualifier Admin
Dagobert
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Netherlands1858 Posts
June 13 2011 13:32 GMT
#175
It's less about the competition and more about building the community, Medium.
Phraxa
Profile Joined April 2011
United States49 Posts
June 13 2011 15:00 GMT
#176
Hey! I'd like to apply but there seems to be a problem with my account. I already created an account for a regular tournament a while back; when I tried to make a new one, it said I needed to use my old account since my ID was already in use. When I tried to access my old account, it didn't work as well. Any help on this? Thanks!
pHaRSiDE
Profile Joined March 2011
United States752 Posts
June 13 2011 16:43 GMT
#177
Pm me your email and I can hunt down your old account and fix it.
twitter.com/ThePharsideESL / ESL IEM NA Admin / WCS NA Qualifier Admin
EtherealBlade
Profile Joined August 2010
660 Posts
June 13 2011 16:50 GMT
#178
It's good to extend the community in every ways possible, but I feel if you're going to put up prizes yet exclude almost every reader then you shouldn't get publicity, especially not in the sponsored threads section. Perhaps making a female subsite for TL, just like it is in ESL would serve to ease things a bit.

Think: Girls could engage in conversation without having to deal with other forumers who are 99,998% male, and most stand clueless as why there must be separate leagues, not to mention the debates and flames etc.

The way it is now, the female scene represents an extremely small minority that's getting unproportionately great (unwanted?) attention. Tournaments and announcements pop up from time to time which don't concern 99% of the readers.
This is just like if I hosted a LAN tournament in a small town and posted it on TL. It would technically waste space. However, if I made my own community site, or thread here on the forums, and posted it there, it would reach the relevant people and only those.

Ask for your own subsite much like it is in ESL, paint TL's blue skin pink and there you go! I'm sure it would have plenty of followers still, but it wouldn't cause an uproar each time you hosted a female only tournament. And it would also help your community grow.

The question is: do you only want the attention of guys, or do you really want make female SC2 happen?
RoosterSamurai
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan2108 Posts
June 13 2011 16:54 GMT
#179
Isn't intimidation a part of sports (Including eSports)? If you don't have the will or capability to compete under intimidation or scrutiny, then are you really competing at all?
stormLP
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada19 Posts
June 13 2011 17:57 GMT
#180
Why not have every single tournament be entirely open? Why have bronze only tournaments? Why not just let GM players smash the bronze league players? In fact lets do away with skill leagues altogether everyone should play a giant pool where pros ladder vs first timers, I mean that would be awesome wouldn't it?

Iron Lady gives the females of SC2 a place to shine! Why can't it be left at that?
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