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Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
June 02 2015 15:32 GMT
#102381
Wow, so many like minds. I've been arguing with my friends that NV > 3 easily. And it's not even close. They all think I'm barking mad because 3 was more "dark" and "real to the Fallout theme". Hogwash. Walking around the desert with a peashooter is a post apocalyptic paradise.
Hey! How you doin'?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-02 15:37:28
June 02 2015 15:33 GMT
#102382
I just couldn't put up with how poorly-written the game is from start to finish. The dialogue is terrible, the story isn't compelling, and many aspects of the worldbuilding are thoroughly unbelievable. The Obsidian/Fallout 3/NV gameplay is equally shitty no matter how you slice it, but NV is redeemed by actually having a much more self-consistent world and interesting plot to explore.

NV happened to turn out well because Bethesda's biggest development flaw is Obsidian's greatest strength. So NV ends up being a game with mediocre gameplay but story/characters/world compelling enough to draw you into the game and play it through. Fallout 3 lacks that and is therefore just a game with mediocre gameplay and no good story elements to fall back on.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
June 02 2015 15:33 GMT
#102383
On June 02 2015 23:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +


Imagine for me, if you will:

Two individuals, of different backgrounds but similar convictions, with the desire is to make the world a better place. Their talents may lie in different fields - the arcane, perhaps, or the subtlety of a concealed blade - but they are united in their cause. Together, they decide to venture out from humble beginnings into a world more vast and terrifying than they can imagine, with only one another and their weapons to separate them from what is trying to kill them. They travel across the land side by side. Through forests, over seas, into the very depths of the world itself, to seek out corruption and evil where it lies and snuff it out before it can threaten those that they love and hold dear. A shield against the dark. A blade against the wicked. A helping hand for those in need.


That could be us. Don't hate, just join.
It's your boy Guzma!
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-02 15:36:48
June 02 2015 15:35 GMT
#102384
On June 03 2015 00:33 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2015 23:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4WO0mirjlQ


Imagine for me, if you will:

Two individuals, of different backgrounds but similar convictions, with the desire is to make the world a better place. Their talents may lie in different fields - the arcane, perhaps, or the subtlety of a concealed blade - but they are united in their cause. Together, they decide to venture out from humble beginnings into a world more vast and terrifying than they can imagine, with only one another and their weapons to separate them from what is trying to kill them. They travel across the land side by side. Through forests, over seas, into the very depths of the world itself, to seek out corruption and evil where it lies and snuff it out before it can threaten those that they love and hold dear. A shield against the dark. A blade against the wicked. A helping hand for those in need.


That could be us. Don't hate, just join.


+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4WO0mirjlQ
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
June 02 2015 15:36 GMT
#102385
The NV storyline was way better than 3, the gameplay is the same though and they are both kinda meh. The mods that came out made the game more palatable though, which bailed it out in my eyes.
Hey! How you doin'?
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-02 15:39:28
June 02 2015 15:38 GMT
#102386
You just said that world's too terrifying for him, why would he want to go in? I mean, you just proved him that you're an unreliable associate who may bail on him, leaving him alone and stranded in this horrible world, with little comfort other than your parting words: "rest assured, it's not you, fellow adventurer. It's the place". He can't ever go on a risky errand with you now.
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Don't take it to heart, it's all in jest. <3
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
June 02 2015 15:38 GMT
#102387
Dear Jeff.

Blizzard would like to formally apologize for giving you 93 straight packs without a legendary.

Have fun.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-02 15:41:55
June 02 2015 15:39 GMT
#102388
The Bethesda game community has this miraculous devotion (or obsession) with turning each mediocre Bethesda game release into something reasonable and playable through hundreds of man-hours worth of mod development.

It's really quite impressive, but also a little disheartening how many man-hours have been spent making mediocre/poor games into decent ones, rather than making good ones into great ones.
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
June 02 2015 15:40 GMT
#102389
On June 03 2015 00:32 Zdrastochye wrote:
Wow, so many like minds. I've been arguing with my friends that NV > 3 easily. And it's not even close. They all think I'm barking mad because 3 was more "dark" and "real to the Fallout theme". Hogwash. Walking around the desert with a peashooter is a post apocalyptic paradise.


A lot of people I talk to that liked Fallout all say NV is a better game. Odd your friends feel otherwise.
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
June 02 2015 15:40 GMT
#102390
On June 03 2015 00:38 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Dear Jeff.

Blizzard would like to formally apologize for giving you 93 straight packs without a legendary.

Have fun.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


LOL

Amazing

So Amazing.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
June 02 2015 16:01 GMT
#102391
On June 03 2015 00:40 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 00:38 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Dear Jeff.

Blizzard would like to formally apologize for giving you 93 straight packs without a legendary.

Have fun.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


LOL

Amazing

So Amazing.

You say amazing, I say 400 dust.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 02 2015 16:06 GMT
#102392
On June 03 2015 01:01 onlywonderboy wrote:
You say amazing, I say 400 dust.

Or he can wait for the day when Blizzard decides to change King Krush, so he can DE for 1600!
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Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-02 16:10:44
June 02 2015 16:10 GMT
#102393
I preferred 3 to NV, I thought it had more interesting places.

http://www.twitch.tv/bethesda
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
June 02 2015 16:11 GMT
#102394
OMG guys I just picked up the body pillow cover
I want to thank everyone who conspired on this and especially LT who had the misfortune of having to deal with me, which is hazardous to mental health and not recommended
I'll ceremoniously open it tonight on stream
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
June 02 2015 16:11 GMT
#102395
I loved that the New Vegas world was mostly fully connected and you didn't have to go through the subway tunnel nonsense.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-02 16:19:56
June 02 2015 16:19 GMT
#102396
On June 03 2015 01:10 Ansibled wrote:
I preferred 3 to NV, I thought it had more interesting places.

This is not an altogether uncommon sentiment.

In general, a lot of the Bioware and Bethesda titles that are derided by hardcore CRPG communities receive praise by many of their fans for these intangibles (e.g. the "atmosphere" or how "interesting the world feels"). While detractors will be able to expound on many, many instances of downright bad writing, or dissect elements of how the story does not make an ounce of sense, it's this "atmosphere" that people always seem to come back to that gives them an attachment to this world they're exploring.

On the one thing, it has to be said that Bethesda is *good* at making these intangibles work. It is something they should be praised for, and something that other developers should learn from. On the other hand, it's lamentable how little the other things actually matter to most people despite the fact that they ostensibly should affect how people view the game. The glaring flaws in the dialogue just get completely ignored because the average player is just glossing the dialogue for basic meaning, rather than actually reading the dialogue and thinking about whether what's being said is in any way consistent with the character or the context.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
June 02 2015 16:39 GMT
#102397
Well that sucked.


How are everyone else's days going?
It's your boy Guzma!
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
June 02 2015 16:46 GMT
#102398
On June 03 2015 01:39 Requizen wrote:
Well that sucked.


How are everyone else's days going?


Pretty ok,

Did you get fired?
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
June 02 2015 16:51 GMT
#102399
On June 03 2015 00:39 TheYango wrote:
The Bethesda game community has this miraculous devotion (or obsession) with turning each mediocre Bethesda game release into something reasonable and playable through hundreds of man-hours worth of mod development.

It's really quite impressive, but also a little disheartening how many man-hours have been spent making mediocre/poor games into decent ones, rather than making good ones into great ones.


I disagree partially with this sentiment. At least they spent the effort to make their games highly moddable. That requires a lot of effort by itself and deserves praises.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
June 02 2015 16:52 GMT
#102400
On June 03 2015 01:46 Cixah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2015 01:39 Requizen wrote:
Well that sucked.


How are everyone else's days going?


Pretty ok,

Did you get fired?

No, I just hate giving people bad news and having them be disappointed in me. I want to make everyone happy but this new job is just the right move.

How is your finger?
It's your boy Guzma!
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