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silencefc
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States875 Posts
September 29 2013 05:31 GMT
#1901
I think it'd be easier to go down a list of all the champions and listing what roles they're ok'ed for lol
Slice like a goddamn hammer.
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
September 29 2013 05:32 GMT
#1902
On September 29 2013 14:20 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 13:35 Kupon3ss wrote:
the edge cases can easily be avoided if neo just went ahead and wrote out a list of allowed champions for each role, itd greatly clarify things and make it transparent for everyone. Though I guess having to update the approved champion role list after every patch might be too much of a hassle so we can put roffles on it too.

Common sense too hard, Neo plz spell out for Kupo.


it is pretty hard, since neo's understanding of what champions work for each role is different than riot's

for example, riot says fiora is a top lane but neo says its ok to run it mid too
riot tells me that morgana is a mid but what about jungle or support?
this is why we need a definitive "what is ok" list
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 29 2013 05:33 GMT
#1903
On September 29 2013 14:32 Kupon3ss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 14:20 wei2coolman wrote:
On September 29 2013 13:35 Kupon3ss wrote:
the edge cases can easily be avoided if neo just went ahead and wrote out a list of allowed champions for each role, itd greatly clarify things and make it transparent for everyone. Though I guess having to update the approved champion role list after every patch might be too much of a hassle so we can put roffles on it too.

Common sense too hard, Neo plz spell out for Kupo.


it is pretty hard, since neo's understanding of what champions work for each role is different than riot's

for example, riot says fiora is a top lane but neo says its ok to run it mid too
riot tells me that morgana is a mid but what about jungle or support?
this is why we need a definitive "what is ok" list

Again, run with common sense. It should be pretty obvious >.>
liftlift > tsm
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
September 29 2013 05:35 GMT
#1904
On September 29 2013 14:33 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 14:32 Kupon3ss wrote:
On September 29 2013 14:20 wei2coolman wrote:
On September 29 2013 13:35 Kupon3ss wrote:
the edge cases can easily be avoided if neo just went ahead and wrote out a list of allowed champions for each role, itd greatly clarify things and make it transparent for everyone. Though I guess having to update the approved champion role list after every patch might be too much of a hassle so we can put roffles on it too.

Common sense too hard, Neo plz spell out for Kupo.


it is pretty hard, since neo's understanding of what champions work for each role is different than riot's

for example, riot says fiora is a top lane but neo says its ok to run it mid too
riot tells me that morgana is a mid but what about jungle or support?
this is why we need a definitive "what is ok" list

Again, run with common sense. It should be pretty obvious >.>


apparently not for many of the people in this thread, myself included
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
silencefc
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States875 Posts
September 29 2013 05:55 GMT
#1905
Only reason some of the weird picks are allowed are because some people forced them in and Neo is a generous god.
Slice like a goddamn hammer.
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
September 29 2013 05:58 GMT
#1906
needs champion tablets to know divine will
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
September 29 2013 05:58 GMT
#1907
On September 29 2013 14:32 Kupon3ss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 14:20 wei2coolman wrote:
On September 29 2013 13:35 Kupon3ss wrote:
the edge cases can easily be avoided if neo just went ahead and wrote out a list of allowed champions for each role, itd greatly clarify things and make it transparent for everyone. Though I guess having to update the approved champion role list after every patch might be too much of a hassle so we can put roffles on it too.

Common sense too hard, Neo plz spell out for Kupo.


it is pretty hard, since neo's understanding of what champions work for each role is different than riot's

for example, riot says fiora is a top lane but neo says its ok to run it mid too
riot tells me that morgana is a mid but what about jungle or support?
this is why we need a definitive "what is ok" list

TROLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Don't take the bait guys this stuff is common sense T_T
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 29 2013 06:02 GMT
#1908
On September 29 2013 14:58 jaybrundage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 14:32 Kupon3ss wrote:
On September 29 2013 14:20 wei2coolman wrote:
On September 29 2013 13:35 Kupon3ss wrote:
the edge cases can easily be avoided if neo just went ahead and wrote out a list of allowed champions for each role, itd greatly clarify things and make it transparent for everyone. Though I guess having to update the approved champion role list after every patch might be too much of a hassle so we can put roffles on it too.

Common sense too hard, Neo plz spell out for Kupo.


it is pretty hard, since neo's understanding of what champions work for each role is different than riot's

for example, riot says fiora is a top lane but neo says its ok to run it mid too
riot tells me that morgana is a mid but what about jungle or support?
this is why we need a definitive "what is ok" list

TROLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Don't take the bait guys this stuff is common sense T_T

Pretty much. The reason stuff like Fiora mid, is okay, is cuz Bruiser/melee assassins mid are a common enough occurrence, that it's useful to learn how to play against. Take Fiora as a less good version of Riven in lane, the way you want to play against it is pretty similar. Morgana support is allowed, because she offer obvious utility, and was often picked as a common support with the Draven combo. (though I think she's pretty trash now a days since draven is useless as fuck, and lux support is a superior version of morgana support at all times now, maybe it could be an anti-leona lane, but even then....)
It should be fairly obvious what should, and shouldn't be allowed.
liftlift > tsm
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
September 29 2013 06:12 GMT
#1909
morgana jungle offers the same obvious utility with decent sustain via passive and reasonably fast waveclear, her ganks are reasonably good and dmg/ult is good throughout the game

The same common sense you just listed would say that it's perfectly fine.
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 29 2013 06:13 GMT
#1910
On September 29 2013 15:12 Kupon3ss wrote:
morgana jungle offers the same obvious utility with decent sustain via passive and reasonably fast waveclear, her ganks are reasonably good and dmg/ult is good throughout the game

The same common sense you just listed would say that it's perfectly fine.

It doesn't qualify "how does it help everyone if you play it?"
Also, she's pretty fucking screwed in buff control situations.
liftlift > tsm
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
September 29 2013 07:11 GMT
#1911
Just stop responding to Kupon3ss.

Thanks.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
silencefc
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States875 Posts
September 29 2013 20:22 GMT
#1912
Lets make a ban list!
Slice like a goddamn hammer.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
September 29 2013 20:25 GMT
#1913
A ban list would actually be doable.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
DURRHURRDERP
Profile Joined May 2006
Canada929 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-29 20:53:13
September 29 2013 20:50 GMT
#1914
ban 5 activateable item graves
+
ban attackspeed / movespeed graves
+
ban jungle graves
+
ban support graves (just in case)

PS:
ban 5 zeal master yi jungle
+
ban jungle leona
+
ban triforce blitzcrank support
"I am an iconic role model for everyone aspiring to be better at League of Legends." - Roffles
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 29 2013 21:00 GMT
#1915
Ban DFG jungle malphite.
liftlift > tsm
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 29 2013 21:14 GMT
#1916
On September 29 2013 09:11 NeoIllusions wrote:
Although unorthodox and technically goes against my guidelines, Morgana Support, Fiora Mid, Talon Mid are fine. I wouldn't be too annoyed if our users picked them.

I don't understand why Morgana Jungle or Quinn Jungle would even being considered. I've given my reasoning in the OP.

This one surprised me. Where would you put Talon? ôo Or do you mean it in a "Taric, Talon, Poppy, etc. are too weak even in their intended role so please don't pick them" way?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-29 21:54:20
September 29 2013 21:51 GMT
#1917
On September 30 2013 05:25 Ketara wrote:
A ban list would actually be doable.


Given that most champions are approved for only 2 or less roles, its mathematically impossible for a ban list to be shorter than an "approved meta list".

The fact is, meta is in the eye of the beholder, and the operator of such guidelines should really have a clear one in place if they believe strongly in enforcing it. For example, Neo has cited Fiora mid as something "technically against guidelines but not quite bannable yet" while Riot has cited Fiora mid as part of bannable offenses

http://i.imgur.com/bbjKP.png

Obviously I trust Neo far more than an year-old ban list, but it'd be nice to have something like that so I can understand the game better.
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Soloside
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1238 Posts
September 29 2013 22:07 GMT
#1918
does this mean building hurricane on my kayle + graves + varus is out of the question?!?!111!
LoL: Taylor Swift | King Kayle
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
September 29 2013 22:08 GMT
#1919
On September 30 2013 06:14 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 09:11 NeoIllusions wrote:
Although unorthodox and technically goes against my guidelines, Morgana Support, Fiora Mid, Talon Mid are fine. I wouldn't be too annoyed if our users picked them.

I don't understand why Morgana Jungle or Quinn Jungle would even being considered. I've given my reasoning in the OP.

This one surprised me. Where would you put Talon? ôo Or do you mean it in a "Taric, Talon, Poppy, etc. are too weak even in their intended role so please don't pick them" way?

Talon crushes a lot of the old guard mids....
Honestly I wonder how he does against Zed/Ahri.....
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Soloside
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1238 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-29 22:10:36
September 29 2013 22:10 GMT
#1920
On September 30 2013 07:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2013 06:14 Alaric wrote:
On September 29 2013 09:11 NeoIllusions wrote:
Although unorthodox and technically goes against my guidelines, Morgana Support, Fiora Mid, Talon Mid are fine. I wouldn't be too annoyed if our users picked them.

I don't understand why Morgana Jungle or Quinn Jungle would even being considered. I've given my reasoning in the OP.

This one surprised me. Where would you put Talon? ôo Or do you mean it in a "Taric, Talon, Poppy, etc. are too weak even in their intended role so please don't pick them" way?

Talon crushes a lot of the old guard mids....
Honestly I wonder how he does against Zed/Ahri.....


skill match up against ahri pre 6. pretty much can 100-0 ahri with 1 cc from the jungler post 6. Very unforgiving against her. I don't like playing against talons as ahri
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