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yawn
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada200 Posts
September 28 2013 23:22 GMT
#1881
will there be post worlds in-houses today?

also kissblade pls
aka xusic
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-28 23:34:11
September 28 2013 23:30 GMT
#1882
On September 29 2013 07:55 NeoIllusions wrote:
This whole page is moot. I said don't do unorthodox picks. If you want to Jungle Quinn, do it in your own time. I've said this more than once. It's even on the front page, like phyvo mentioned. Please don't make me repeat myself.

KissBlade, I am disappoint. You know I have been encouraging you lately to expand your champion pool but not like this. If you want to experiment, do it in solo queue or do it in TROLLs. There is no basis to try out new/innovative stuff in these IHs when there are plenty of fundamental stuff most of us can work on as is.



Alright, I just want to put it out there that I wasn't trolling or "experimenting" etc. I actually DID try Jungle Quinn (mostly because I saw it and thought it looked better than I thought) before asking our team if they're ok with it. I put forth why I thought it would be a good pick for our comp and my team was fine with it. I later asked DURR, Scip what they thought of the pick, they said it was bad so I'm not planning on playing it anymore. What I dislike is people assuming that I basically just wanted to rofl-troll when I actually played it to a point where I picked a workable rune page/mastery for the clear and how the path was going to look.

I can hands down guarantee the ONLY reason I didn't die to shaco at my red level 3 was because quinn lets me pull the red lizard while the small one walked to the bush when shaco deceives into it.

I apologize if people thought I was trolling or just messing around but I played it out pretty tryhard. I'm perfectly fine if people are uncomfortable about certain picks but I always run any picks I want to try out with my own team first. I obviously didn't want to ask the other team simply because I thought it would've been a good surprise pick.

Btw, I've actually seen us play some very interesting "picks". I won't call them out but I really thought Quinn jungle was a much legitimate pick than some of the others.
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
September 28 2013 23:51 GMT
#1883
no innovation allowed, stick to riot approved meta please
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
September 28 2013 23:54 GMT
#1884
On September 29 2013 08:51 Kupon3ss wrote:
no innovation allowed, stick to riot approved meta please

I don't understand why you have to constantly enter LoL threads and throw out random Riot jabs.

It's annoying.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-29 00:05:01
September 29 2013 00:00 GMT
#1885
On September 29 2013 08:51 Kupon3ss wrote:
no innovation allowed, stick to riot approved meta please

I mean, it's a tricky thing. While there are obvious cases, there are plenty of edge cases where the rule is somewhat questionable. Things like Morgana Support (and Jungle?), Fiora, Talon, etc.

While I do agree with the general rule, it's difficult to definitively state what constitutes as acceptable, and there is at least some interpretation needed during the inhouse lobbies on what is acceptable (in the event the picks are merely niche/less seen).

Also, post Semi-IHs, lets go.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
September 29 2013 00:11 GMT
#1886
Although unorthodox and technically goes against my guidelines, Morgana Support, Fiora Mid, Talon Mid are fine. I wouldn't be too annoyed if our users picked them.

I don't understand why Morgana Jungle or Quinn Jungle would even being considered. I've given my reasoning in the OP.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9776 Posts
September 29 2013 00:35 GMT
#1887
But what about something like jungle soraka? It's never seen pro play and likely never will but if there's a diamond 1 korean soloq jungle soraka player there must be something in it
boomer hands
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
September 29 2013 00:43 GMT
#1888
On September 29 2013 09:35 seRapH wrote:
But what about something like jungle soraka? It's never seen pro play and likely never will but if there's a diamond 1 korean soloq jungle soraka player there must be something in it

Do it in your own time. More power to you.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
September 29 2013 00:47 GMT
#1889
On September 29 2013 09:43 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 09:35 seRapH wrote:
But what about something like jungle soraka? It's never seen pro play and likely never will but if there's a diamond 1 korean soloq jungle soraka player there must be something in it

Do it in your own time. More power to you.


Morgana support isn't unorthodox though, there's been semi-pro players who've picked it this season, especially with Draven pre-nerfs. Besides that I do support your idea that IHs should stick to semi-normal things.
Hey! How you doin'?
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-29 01:10:39
September 29 2013 01:04 GMT
#1890
On September 29 2013 08:51 Kupon3ss wrote:
no innovation allowed, stick to riot approved meta please

Kupo, still retarded.

Please stay in the Dota forums and take Shikyo with you. Thx
God Bless
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
September 29 2013 01:14 GMT
#1891
On September 29 2013 08:51 Kupon3ss wrote:
no innovation allowed, stick to riot approved meta please


theres a difference between innovation and just-barely-not-terrible things like jungle quinn
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-29 01:22:44
September 29 2013 01:21 GMT
#1892
On September 29 2013 09:47 Zdrastochye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 09:43 NeoIllusions wrote:
On September 29 2013 09:35 seRapH wrote:
But what about something like jungle soraka? It's never seen pro play and likely never will but if there's a diamond 1 korean soloq jungle soraka player there must be something in it

Do it in your own time. More power to you.


Morgana support isn't unorthodox though, there's been semi-pro players who've picked it this season, especially with Draven pre-nerfs. Besides that I do support your idea that IHs should stick to semi-normal things.

Which is where the difficulty lies. Do formerly played, but now out of favor, picks like AP Teemo mid count. But if Champion X is considered acceptable, why not Champion Y which may be more viable (aka, AP Teemo is probably more viable than Fiora, as much as it pains me to admit <__<;,).

There is a degree of subjectivity here in edge cases, which the 10-mans need to decide for themselves (aka, 2sang is allowed to play Fiora, etc). Which, thus far, is going for super standard now after Ketara was confirmed fun killer.

Don't disagree with the policy, just feel there's always going to be some fuzziness in champ select that needs to be resolved on a game by game basis, but a general rule of thumb is to keep things within the realm of reason and familiarity.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
September 29 2013 01:24 GMT
#1893
re: Teemo

I think Teemo is typically picked as a situational counterpick, so it would depend on who the enemy mid laner is?
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
remedium
Profile Joined July 2011
United States939 Posts
September 29 2013 02:49 GMT
#1894
I think the question is not one of "can player X successfully play champion Y at wtf role Z," but rather, "will anyone actually benefit from this?" I will never see a jungle Quinn, Tristanta, mid Fiora, etc...at silver/gold. It won't help me improve.
Stay positive!
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
September 29 2013 03:44 GMT
#1895
I miss playing with Mathies.

Quality entertainment.
God Bless
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
September 29 2013 04:35 GMT
#1896
the edge cases can easily be avoided if neo just went ahead and wrote out a list of allowed champions for each role, itd greatly clarify things and make it transparent for everyone. Though I guess having to update the approved champion role list after every patch might be too much of a hassle so we can put roffles on it too.
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
September 29 2013 04:37 GMT
#1897
On September 29 2013 12:44 Roffles wrote:
I miss playing with Mathies.

Quality entertainment.


I never had the pleasure of playing an inhouse with Mathies.

He left too soon.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
September 29 2013 04:41 GMT
#1898
On September 29 2013 13:35 Kupon3ss wrote:
the edge cases can easily be avoided if neo just went ahead and wrote out a list of allowed champions for each role, itd greatly clarify things and make it transparent for everyone. Though I guess having to update the approved champion role list after every patch might be too much of a hassle so we can put roffles on it too.

lol Kupo plz.
God Bless
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 29 2013 05:20 GMT
#1899
On September 29 2013 13:35 Kupon3ss wrote:
the edge cases can easily be avoided if neo just went ahead and wrote out a list of allowed champions for each role, itd greatly clarify things and make it transparent for everyone. Though I guess having to update the approved champion role list after every patch might be too much of a hassle so we can put roffles on it too.

Common sense too hard, Neo plz spell out for Kupo.
liftlift > tsm
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
September 29 2013 05:25 GMT
#1900
On September 29 2013 08:51 Kupon3ss wrote:
no innovation allowed, stick to riot approved meta please

Inc support spectre
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