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schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
August 09 2012 07:16 GMT
#4801
Man I hate to complain about trivial stuff like LoL but god it is frustrating.

I reckon I've gone 5-10 in my last 15 ranked games, and at least half those losses are me randomly lagging out in the middle of games. I am going to a fucking PC cafe tomorrow so I can actually play with no lag :/ .
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
August 09 2012 07:48 GMT
#4802
Wow. No wonder people in the 1200-1400 range think that there's an elo hell. People quit ranked games after getting FB'd, team gets FB'd, mid doesn't get second blue and all manner of other reasons. People that call a role and straight up feed are stupidly common.
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
August 09 2012 07:57 GMT
#4803
On August 09 2012 10:28 obesechicken13 wrote:
Omg I don't lose but I keep getting bad KDA's on my smurf. What is going on. A game as annie mid today and another as heimer top.

As heimer I just maxed turrets and got some grenades because I was up against darius and diana and I felt if they pulled me close I could stun them. We gave up two kills. Rammus checking the brush at level 4 and then me getting double pulled just like him under tower. I mean I did fine after that, but I expected to be able to carry.
Then I play a game as annie mid against leblanc. I haven't played annie in years and waste a lot of mana mistiming my Q's. It's dangerous to push since they have a jungler singed and I don't. I just go boots -> get chalice -> negatron cloak and I somehow keep leblanc in lane all game. But I died once trying to follow her to top. I knew where she was, I just jumped the gun and attacked her before my allies got there. Then the rest of the game I just go even trying to focus people that were low or squishy.

I don't lose these games but I'm not carrying either. It's sad
What qualifies me to be lvl 30 if I can't random a champion and beat level 14s badly?
I'm just bad. But some of those guys are smurfs.

Also I was playing champs that I'm no longer familiar with and I'm tired.


Even lowlevel games use ELO.

When i created my smurf i thought "hey, lets stomp a little, it will be just like bot games. Noone will get CS, noone will ward and everyone will just go for kills. It will be fun!".
Now with my smurf at level 10 there are junglers, lots of wards and almost every game 2+ players have 200 CS between 25 and 30 minutes. It's almost harder than playing ranked.

QQ:
Yesterday I've had the worst team since i started playing ranked. Opponent picks Shaco jungler, i end up as Ryze mid. My team never placed a single ward while Shaco farmed the players on each lane without any problems. They even made it easier for him by pushing hard. Our Lee Sin tried to gank but the opponents had wards like any sensible player, so everyone on my team kept flaming him for "never gank"...
It was the most 1-sided stomp i've seen in quite a while.

Well, at least the 2 games after were games where both teams played really, really well. They rarely got caught, farmed well, peeled for the carries, went for objectives at the correct time, didn't get greedy, ... There were still mistakes of course but in general everyone played the way he should.

It's suprising how big the difference in skill is around 1200 ELO. In one game you get really, really bad players, in the next you get decent players with a good grasp of the game.
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
August 09 2012 08:12 GMT
#4804
Junglers cop way too much shit in ranked. I'll be honest jungle along with support is the main role I play, but even when I play solo lanes I'll win the lane and the other guy QQs in all chat about the jungler. An example was yesterday I was Vlad vs Morg mid, I won (We won the game pretty easily) and Morg starts spamming 'report riven'. After I pointed out Morg fucked Riven over by making her give the first blue up (Riven ended up two levels behind our jungler really early) she didn't say anything.

I also hate when people push their lane 24/7, die to a gank, then the one time it starts pushing back they rage at you for not ganking :/ .
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11984 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-09 09:41:43
August 09 2012 09:40 GMT
#4805
You don't understand how it works. Everyone can take anything they want from the jungler, going even so far as to complain when the jungler actually wants to take stuff (blue, wraiths) out of his jungle instead of giving it to laners. They are never at any obligation to help the jungler besides MAYBE hitting blue once at level 1. The jungler may never touch a single lane creep, it does not matter what the laner is doing at the moment, don't touch his lane. Even if he just died and will not be back for 30 seconds, stop stealing his farm. The jungler has to ward for all lanes except maybe 1 ward from bot. The jungler also has to be camping exactly their line nonstop, while still being of equal level and farm to the enemy laner to be able to win a fight easily. And if he takes a single kill in any of this fights, he is a bad jungler, too. Then, if he has negative KD (Assists are irrelevant) he is a bad jungler and should be reported. How pushed lanes are is completely irrelevant, the jungler has to gank there as often as the enemy jungler +2, or he should be reported.
Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1967 Posts
August 09 2012 12:00 GMT
#4806
^ Oh the truth

Yesterday i had a game as jungle Udyr. in Champ selct, one player calls mid and takes ap ezreal. I am not amused, but i just type "oh well, can't stand ap ezreals ". He asks why an i tell him i had an ap ezreal before that had 40 cs after 20 minutes. When i asked him why his cs was so low while claiming to whave won his lane, he told me that ap azreal is not about cs, ok. After telling that anecdote, my new ap ezreal laughs and tells me, i had a bad ap ezreal. To which i can concur. Oh god, i ramble again.

Anyway. This ezreal is bad as well, not THAT bad with cs, but bad, he get's killed two times early and needs help. Our premade bot lane needs help as well. And our top riven pings top 4 the first minutes constantly as she gets pushed to her tower. So i gank her lane and get her a kill. then i gank bot and get e kill and an assist. then i try to make something work at mid, which is not possible against anivia. Then i gank top again, my e bugs and the stun doesn't land altough the aa gets through, so lee sin escapes with 10% health. Then i gank bot and get 2 assists again, being 1/0/4. All that time, riven pings and screams and me for helping her bot. She is even in cs and has one kill on lee sin, while all other lanes fail. I even fucking ward for her and clear lees wards. She still thinks i lost her the lane cause i didn't gank top enough and later blames me for dying twice when my gank turns into a 2vs3 with their fed anivia cause of no ss. All the junglers fault...
SwizzY
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1549 Posts
August 09 2012 13:16 GMT
#4807
Games this morning attracted so many assholes for some reason. Decided to roll with tryn for a while:
1st game vs Darius with no ganks from jungle and a feeding bot = Cocky Darius shittalking all game.
2nd game vs Renekton I get FB from a bad enemy jungle gank but die = Our jungle Diana tower dives low hp renek just to miss nuke and give up free kill, now i'm not ahead. I get baited hard thinking runes will let me kill half health renek, ONLY 1-2 CRITS PROC D? Renek snowballs from his 3/0 talking shit AGAIN.
3rd game vs. Cho I actually get a solid 2/0 = Shaco with fail ganks/noitems and teemo that rush frozenmallet/madreds with almost no dps means we lose.
4th game with a premade that piss the shit out of me because I called out one of their friends playing AP Yi mid and how useless it is. So I grief with Blitz by not buying wards. Game somehow turns out good even though I was trolling our Graves hard and I actually start trying = OF COURSE Horrible Diana + AP Yi are deadweights in teamfights but I'm not in the fucking premade so I get mass reported.

I just facepalmed after the 4th one and called it a day. LoL community is pure shit sometimes.
All that glitters is not gold, all that wander are not lost, the old that is strong does not wither, deep roots are not reached by frost.
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-09 13:40:24
August 09 2012 13:29 GMT
#4808
On August 09 2012 17:12 schmutttt wrote:
Junglers cop way too much shit in ranked. I'll be honest jungle along with support is the main role I play, but even when I play solo lanes I'll win the lane and the other guy QQs in all chat about the jungler. An example was yesterday I was Vlad vs Morg mid, I won (We won the game pretty easily) and Morg starts spamming 'report riven'. After I pointed out Morg fucked Riven over by making her give the first blue up (Riven ended up two levels behind our jungler really early) she didn't say anything.

I also hate when people push their lane 24/7, die to a gank, then the one time it starts pushing back they rage at you for not ganking :/ .

I'm glad this is a common consensus among sensible players.
I had a game yesterday where the enemy team walked up and took blue off my jungle Amumu(all 5 of them walked on me so I had to just run, no chance to smite) with no support from my team (even though I said "protect blue" at the start of the game).
Once I've completed my jungle route I get to top and the top-lane asks for a gank. I say I'm oom and he says "stupid noob learn to keep mana"!! Then he dies 20 seconds later and that's my fault of course.

I've just started ranked a week ago after about 250 normal games and it really is bad. I'm slowly creeping up my ELO but even at the 1600 range there are still terrible, horrible players.

Thank god for the mute feature; without it I wouldn't even be able to play. I find myself muting 1-2 players in 90% of my games and that allows me to focus on just playing well rather than listening to teammates argue the whole time.
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 09 2012 14:15 GMT
#4809
Junglers get shit because they're more noticeable in the effect they have on the lanes.

For example, if top fails at CS, gets pushed out of lane, and just generally plays bad, no one is probably going to call them out because they're not paying attention to top, unless they die a bunch. Mid isn't watching them miss last hits or constantly having to back, as long as the enemy top doesn't get a lot of kills or roam, it doesn't effect the other lanes.

Conversely, when the jungler ganks or the laner gets ganked by the enemy jungler, it's imminently noticeable to them. If your gank doesn't get a flash or kill, or if you take the kill from the laner, or the enemy jungler gets a good gank off, it stands out prominently in your teammate's mind, despite how well you've been playing otherwise.

Like last night. I had a Skarner game with Annie mid against a LeBlanc. The enemy jungler was Nocturne. I ganked top and got an assist, bot and got a kill, farmed a bunch. When I ganked mid, LB just teleported away because I wasn't 6 yet, and escaped. Noc, on the other hand, ganked a bit afterwards and secured a kill on Annie.

Annie probably wan't paying attention to the other kills, all she saw was that my gank failed and the enemy gank succeeded, so of course she followed it up with "wow I wish we had the other team's jungler". Despite me having more farm and getting other good ganks off, all she saw was that I did worse in her lane. (We won, of course. Skarner OP.)

So really, I can understand why laners bitch about junglers a lot, despite other standings in the game. It doesn't make it ok, but I can understand it I guess.
It's your boy Guzma!
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
August 09 2012 15:00 GMT
#4810
Try to shift away from top because it's a dumb fucking lane decided by jungle presence more often than not
Try to learn a limited amount of AD and AP carries
lose 200 Elo
lose motivation

Now I'm waiting for motivation to come back so I'm not playing on tilt all the time. FML.
currently rooting for myself.
Tatari
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1179 Posts
August 09 2012 17:15 GMT
#4811
On August 10 2012 00:00 Shiv. wrote:
Try to shift away from top because it's a dumb fucking lane decided by jungle presence more often than not
Try to learn a limited amount of AD and AP carries
lose 200 Elo
lose motivation

Now I'm waiting for motivation to come back so I'm not playing on tilt all the time. FML.


Play top lane Lee, Vlad, Riven, or Kennen. Enemy jungler presence immediately becomes a non factor.
A fed jungler is no longer a jungler, but a terrorist.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 09 2012 17:37 GMT
#4812
On August 10 2012 02:15 Tatari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 00:00 Shiv. wrote:
Try to shift away from top because it's a dumb fucking lane decided by jungle presence more often than not
Try to learn a limited amount of AD and AP carries
lose 200 Elo
lose motivation

Now I'm waiting for motivation to come back so I'm not playing on tilt all the time. FML.


Play top lane Lee, Vlad, Riven, or Kennen. Enemy jungler presence immediately becomes a non factor.

You. You are the type of person I hate. If you had added Rumble to that mix I would have just shot you.
It's your boy Guzma!
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
August 09 2012 17:52 GMT
#4813
Rumble actually cares about the existence of the enemy jungler though :< He doesnt have ridiculous escapes like the listed champs do.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 09 2012 17:55 GMT
#4814
Man, I don't even gank Rumble anymore. Unless my laner is up on kills against him (unlikely since most people have no idea how to lane vs Rumble), he's almost always going to get at least 1 kill out, and if he can land his slow + Equalizer at all, catching him is silly hard.

But I just hate him in general, so that's me.
It's your boy Guzma!
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-09 19:34:37
August 09 2012 19:31 GMT
#4815
Ashe and Soraka feed 7/0 Urgot/Blitz in botlane before the 10 minute mark, from there it's gg and they trash us in every fight.
How are you supposed to carry that?

Also, my current champ select:
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So tempted to dodge -.-
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
August 09 2012 23:46 GMT
#4816
So most of the QQ in this thread is complaining about other people. I'd like to complain about myself today. I've been playing miserably and had a pretty big hand in losing the game for my team last 3 games. CSing incredibly badly (sub-50 cs @ 10 mins top lane, twice), losing lane badly, providing not nearly as much jungle pressure as I should, and making terrible judgement calls. X_X
samthesaluki
Profile Joined November 2010
914 Posts
August 09 2012 23:59 GMT
#4817
my noct ganks not stronk enough ^^
ninjakingcola
Profile Joined March 2011
United States405 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-10 02:43:35
August 10 2012 02:37 GMT
#4818
Been over a month since I've had anything worthy of this thread. I get into game, last pick calls Shen top, I'm adc. 3rd pick takes Jayce top to counter the enemy Singed. Last pick still locks Shen with flash ignight as "support". I'm seriously doubting this will go well.

We get our blue invaded so Shen buttrushes their blue and gets destroyed when all 5 of the enemy team are standing there waiting for him. He then comes into lane and buttrushes the enemy Ez through Taric and feeds 3 kills that way. I call him out on being a fucking retard so he goes to top lane which was actually winning and dual lanes that while I get 3 man ganked in my lane. Fuck it, not dealing with that shit, I legitimately left a game for the first time in half a year.

How do shitbags like that survive in ranked?
Where my demons hide? Why, if I showed you it wouldn't be a secret my dear.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 10 2012 02:51 GMT
#4819
Jungling Skarner. Can't gank top because Lee Sin. Our Panth dies to him 3 times anyway. Malz dies to enemy Fizz twice, bot both die twice.

ALL IN THE FIRST EIGHT MINUTES.

It's my fault as the jungler, though. I'm supposed to be able to gank super fed lanes while my teammates run in horror and start 2v4 fights.

HAHAHhashahah
It's your boy Guzma!
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-10 03:28:11
August 10 2012 03:25 GMT
#4820
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