EPTIEM Katowice 2024 - Page 4
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ekojs
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23324 Posts
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tigera6
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MJG
United Kingdom792 Posts
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Poopi
France12750 Posts
On February 08 2024 23:42 MJG wrote: I don't think we need any more evidence that the Cyclone changes should be reverted than Harstem's video about a Diamond player reaching GM by using a 2 Factory Cyclone all-in lmao. Afaik it's a bit misleading because the guy is grandmaster level in LoL or something, he was probably gonna climb up either way | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23324 Posts
On February 08 2024 23:38 tigera6 wrote: Having a unit that can be produce early with massive DPS and good production cost is never a fun thing in general. And what make it worse in TvT is how you cannot counter Cyclone with anything other than Cyclone in early game. Tanks was supposed to be the best counter but they got massively shutdown by Ravens, which make the previous change on the Raven (cheaper and can be built quicker) become more favorable for massing Cyclone early. If there was a problem with the previous meta, least in TvT it was Raven dominance, it feels like just swapping that for cyclone dominance wasn’t great. You probably could have nerfed the raven, even it it’s purely in a cost sense so it wouldn’t have been so oppressive in TvT, but still useful for timing attacks in TvP | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16007 Posts
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geokilla
Canada8216 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23324 Posts
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HelpMeGetBetter
United States763 Posts
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MJG
United Kingdom792 Posts
On February 08 2024 23:52 HelpMeGetBetter wrote: what exactly is the counter for P if they keep pumping out cyclones? Immortals. Cyclones have to come into range to lock on, so they always take a hit. Bonus points for using Forcefields. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23324 Posts
On February 08 2024 23:52 HelpMeGetBetter wrote: what exactly is the counter for P if they keep pumping out cyclones? Blink stalkers depending on timing are pretty much a hard counter to what cyclones can do, given they can break the lock on DPS | ||
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tigera6
3182 Posts
On February 08 2024 23:52 HelpMeGetBetter wrote: what exactly is the counter for P if they keep pumping out cyclones? Stalker with Battery and Blink or Immortal/Voidray. Chargelot probably can shut them down as well but then you have to deal with the Medivac -Cyclone drop. Edit: Stats look old and slow, whyyyyyy Classic. | ||
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MJG
United Kingdom792 Posts
On February 08 2024 23:54 tigera6 wrote: Stalker with Battery and Blink or Immortal/Voidray. Chargelot probably can shut them down as well but then you have to deal with the Medivac -Cyclone drop. Edit: Stats look old and slow, whyyyyyy Classic. Chargelots don't counter Cyclones. They just get kited to death. | ||
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Poopi
France12750 Posts
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MJG
United Kingdom792 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16007 Posts
You can see right now why this is a losing endeavor. The more Protoss has to rely on Carriers in the late game, the worse off they are going to be. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4901 Posts
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Poopi
France12750 Posts
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tigera6
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