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UnLarva
458 Posts
On February 13 2024 22:23 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: Has Serral even shown if he can win an ESL KR cup, let alone GSL? Sounds like he's trying to dodge. If he's the best why doesn't he just PROVE himself Come on! Did he just 4-0'd Maru few days ago in Katowice finals? Proof what? That Serralless GSL is 2nd tier tournament since 2018? | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6940 Posts
On February 13 2024 22:30 UnLarva wrote: Come on! Did he just 4-0'd Maru few days ago in Katowice finals? Proof what? That Serralless GSL is 2nd tier tournament since 2018? Calm down. I'm 90% sure there is sarcasm involved | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On February 13 2024 22:30 UnLarva wrote: Come on! Did he just 4-0'd Maru few days ago in Katowice finals? Proof what? That Serralless GSL is 2nd tier tournament since 2018? Talk about getting baited | ||
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UnLarva
458 Posts
Nah. Just preparing reverse-bait. Generally, GSL has been overrated for too long and usual narrative tend to twist it around as a tool to undervalue Serral's achievements. There are still folks that want to forget the fact Serral doesn't participate GSL because that makes GSL's value lower than they would want it to be (for reasons); so it's ofc Serral's shortcoming GSL isn't as prestigious as it should be in their minds. But why Serral should waste time, when it is apparent he can generally handle pretty well with GSL-winners anyway? | ||
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youaremysin
119 Posts
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UnLarva
458 Posts
On February 13 2024 23:40 youaremysin wrote: We should be glad he doesn't participate in GSL tbh, with the few pennies left in the korean scene that would be the final nail in the coffin You said it. Joona Sotala as CEO of Serral Ltd. probably think also economic realities in these matters. It would be simply bad business to go play GSL. Everyone and their aunts realize that. GSL label itself doesn't mean a shit anymore. | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10346 Posts
On February 13 2024 23:45 UnLarva wrote: You said it. Joona Sotala as CEO of Serral Ltd. probably think also economic realities in these matters. It would be simply bad business to go play GSL. Everyone and their aunts realize that. GSL label itself doesn't mean a shit anymore. Real reason Serral doesn't compete in GSL is because he would be ending his only competition's careers. He can't be the GOAT with no one good around. Serral is a literal god, grace and mercy and all. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25585 Posts
On February 13 2024 22:46 UnLarva wrote: Nah. Just preparing reverse-bait. Generally, GSL has been overrated for too long and usual narrative tend to twist it around as a tool to undervalue Serral's achievements. There are still folks that want to forget the fact Serral doesn't participate GSL because that makes GSL's value lower than they would want it to be (for reasons); so it's ofc Serral's shortcoming GSL isn't as prestigious as it should be in their minds. But why Serral should waste time, when it is apparent he can generally handle pretty well with GSL-winners anyway? It would be cool to see, it’s a different format with different challenged posed, and it has a ton of prestige. I’ve long yearned for it, as have many. Equally I think we’re a couple of years out from when Serral not playing GSL was a bigger strike against his achievements, than winning GSL when Serral isn’t in the field counts against winners of that tournament. An arbitrary cutoff perhaps but I think when peak Trap and TY bringing his galaxy brain to the prep format, plus a Parting and Stats/Classic had to depart was probably that tipping point. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On February 13 2024 22:23 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: Has Serral even shown if he can win an ESL KR cup, let alone GSL? Sounds like he's trying to dodge. If he's the best why doesn't he just PROVE himself I agree. People say he doesn't want to go to GSL because it's a life-altering travel arrangement, but he could play ESL KR at any time from the comfort of his home. afraid | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10346 Posts
On February 14 2024 00:51 Pandain wrote: I agree. People say he doesn't want to go to GSL because it's a life-altering travel arrangement, but he could play ESL KR at any time from the comfort of his home. afraid You're so smart i didn't even think of that. It's definitive proof that he's simply afraid and dodging. | ||
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UnLarva
458 Posts
On February 14 2024 00:22 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: Real reason Serral doesn't compete in GSL is because he would be ending his only competition's careers. He can't be the GOAT with no one good around. Serral is a literal god, grace and mercy and all. I could not go that far and label Serral as literal god. Just ranting to point and paint out some traditional ways of thinking, that seems to me outdated and ultimately unfair. Etherreal shine around GSL acronym carved to a stone a decade ago still direct people's perception and consequent narratives. Yes, even now remaining active GSL pro-players are overall better than their foreigner counterparts, but as noted Korean scene has been slowly decaying and it feels absurd that it is still used as an ultimate measuring stick it fully justifiably once was. Serral's role has been in showing how hollow some of these age-old assumptions are. Hordes of Korean elitist fanbois cry in their longing for the long gone eras, flooding every possible excuse to undermine Serral's (and to lesser degree also other foreigners') achievements, no matter how long he display the never-before-seen dominance over his top-pro GSL peers... It's about lack of preparation they say, while it seems to me that Serral's preparation skills are important part of what makes it even possible to do what he has been able to do. It is clear that he knows his field of operation rather well while being also the one player who is the most prepared against. Obviously. What?, 16 premier victories with Korean participation, and counting for Serral. And Koreans couldn't "prepare" because there was only 2 labelled somehow with letters G and S and L? And in those 2 occasions, not even then, right? These rants are my gentle middle finger in to the hole of Korean elitism, so nobody should take them too personally. :D | ||
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Antithesis
Germany1196 Posts
On February 14 2024 00:58 UnLarva wrote: It's about lack of preparation they say, while it seems to me that Serral's preparation skills are important part of what makes it even possible to do what he has been able to do. It is clear that he knows his field of operation rather well while being also the one player who is the most prepared against. Obviously. Yes. Serral himself rarely talks about it, but it is known that he meticulously studies and prepares for individual opponents. As Reynor and Rotterdam pointed out right before the Serral vs. Maru finals, Serral watches and remembers an insane amount of games. Like, he could tell details about the players in Reynor's group that not even Reynor himself was aware of. When I heard that I had to think of Magnus Carlsen, who even remembers chess positions from the Harry Potter movies which he has only seen for a couple of seconds. On February 14 2024 00:58 UnLarva wrote: What?, 16 premier victories with Korean participation, and counting for Serral. And Koreans couldn't "prepare" because there was only 2 labelled somehow with letters G and S and L? And in those 2 occasions, not even then, right? According to a statistic I read yesterday, Serral has the best vs. Korean record on earth. As in, he is better against Koreans than Maru or Dark. And it must be remembered that Serral mostly plays against the best of the best Koreans, whereas Maru, Dark, and so on frequently play against the group stage level Koreans. | ||
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UnLarva
458 Posts
Good point you brought Magnus Carlsen to this context. My impression is that Serral has been enjoying his own version of 'Magnus Carlsen -effect' in SC2 scene for a quite a while. Some kind psychological X-factor of "OMG! It's Serral!" to his immediate opponents in a given tourneys. It doesn't always work (Serral is human, not god, after all), but works enough well that his opponents bow for him and don't hesitate to say they fear him during pre-game interview (just two relatively recent examples out of mind). Naturally, systematic studies and encyclopedic memory are prerequisites for such phenomenon to exist. It is very hard to imagine that Serral couldn't prevail and do well if being able to concentrate only to one opponent at time. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25585 Posts
On February 14 2024 02:10 Antithesis wrote: Yes. Serral himself rarely talks about it, but it is known that he meticulously studies and prepares for individual opponents. As Reynor and Rotterdam pointed out right before the Serral vs. Maru finals, Serral watches and remembers an insane amount of games. Like, he could tell details about the players in Reynor's group that not even Reynor himself was aware of. When I heard that I had to think of Magnus Carlsen, who even remembers chess positions from the Harry Potter movies which he has only seen for a couple of seconds. According to a statistic I read yesterday, Serral has the best vs. Korean record on earth. As in, he is better against Koreans than Maru or Dark. And it must be remembered that Serral mostly plays against the best of the best Koreans, whereas Maru, Dark, and so on frequently play against the group stage level Koreans. He does, although on the flipside of Serral really only playing top Koreans when he ‘came of age’, Koreans have to play against their countrymen when they’re on the way up and haven’t matured. Nonetheless I imagine if we draw a cutoff basically any time from 2018 onwards Serral still probably has the best v Korean win rate going | ||
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FFXthebest
75 Posts
On February 13 2024 22:23 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: Has Serral even shown if he can win an ESL KR cup, let alone GSL? Sounds like he's trying to dodge. If he's the best why doesn't he just PROVE himself Serral already won 2 GSL’s. Went to Korea conquered and left His road to his first GSL was harder than any of Maru’s GSL. Now let that sink in | ||
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MyLovelyLurker
France756 Posts
On February 14 2024 02:46 WombaT wrote: He does, although on the flipside of Serral really only playing top Koreans when he ‘came of age’, Koreans have to play against their countrymen when they’re on the way up and haven’t matured. Nonetheless I imagine if we draw a cutoff basically any time from 2018 onwards Serral still probably has the best v Korean win rate going Correct. I have the figures and he does (by like a standard deviation, for the Stats-inclined). | ||
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JJH777
United States4408 Posts
On February 14 2024 02:54 FFXthebest wrote: Serral already won 2 GSL’s. Went to Korea conquered and left His road to his first GSL was harder than any of Maru’s GSL. Now let that sink in Single elimination bracket of Kelazhur, out of form Inno that only qualified due to a popularity vote, Dark, and Stats is harder than any of Maru's GSL runs? That's just silly. | ||
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UnLarva
458 Posts
2nd win is even more silly. Serral had to bring his own sparring bud (Elazer) with him to get some real competition. And as we already know that doesn't count either. | ||
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encoded_evil
29 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25585 Posts
On February 14 2024 03:07 JJH777 wrote: Single elimination bracket of Kelazhur, out of form Inno that only qualified due to a popularity vote, Dark, and Stats is harder than any of Maru's GSL runs? That's just silly. Yeah it’s a stretch, but scanning through the brackets really aren’t that far beyond being comparable. | ||
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